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Found this while on Tubi, I had gone on about this movie before, the 1988 Japanese horror film "Door", where a housewife finds herself the target of a pushy door-to-door salesman who wouldn't take "not interested" for an answer. The first hour is mostly suspense, with a bit of the giallo feel and then things get bonkers in the third act.

 
After Deadstream and The Sleep Experiment, and Late Night with The Devil and History of the Occult, I realised that I vastly prefer found footage style horror where everything remains diegetic rather than following a typical narrative structure, even if it impairs understanding, so I went looking for more in that vein, and stumbled upon the works of Koji Shiraishi. It's been a good week.

I'd already watched one Shiraishi flick - Noroi: The Curse (2005), and while my memory told me that I would dread watching it again, the reviews I read didn't sound anything like what I remembered. This, it turns out, is because I was confusing it with Ju-on: The Curse - the first in the interminable Ju-on franchise, which has never clicked with me. I had never seen Noroi: The Curse, I'd just downloaded it at some point and then grimaced while remembering Ju-on every time I saw it in my library it seems.

Noroi is about a ghost hunter type guy who makes documentaries about supernatural phenomena who went mysteriously missing after a fire consumed his house (and wife) while he searched for a missing girl. Told as if it were pieced together from footage the ghost hunter captured, it is let down by some of its special effects (a running theme in Shiraishi films) but is mostly an entertaining ride thanks to the cast - the ghost hunter himself is great, and spends a lot of time in the film with a pretty actress and a psychic who appears to be autistic, and the three of them have good chemistry. At least until the end, when it all goes down in flames.

The next movie I watched was Cult (2013), primarily because it had 3 cute actresses in it. This was a much more entertaining movie than Noroi because it takes itself much less seriously. It's about 3 idols who are asked to help film an exorcism for marketability - a little girl and her mum are being tormented by a haunting. A priest is called in, but he isn't powerful enough to stop it, so he calls in a friend, who looks and behaves like he stepped out of a manga. (and maybe did? Or is that too ridiculous for this story about idols fighting off a cult worshipping ectoplasmic worms from another dimension?) From then things ramp up considerably - the eponymous cult enters the picture, people are possessed and curses are thrown about. And while some of the special effects are downright laughable (the gang of worms is almost Ed Woodian) some of them are very effective, like the shadow guys, and some of them fail, but show sparks of genius like the ceiling head's eye stalks. Unfortunately Shiraishi biffs it on closing I think - the ending is anticlimactic at best - it ends with Neo (the manga character) getting confronted by one of the idols, who is possessed and allegedly very powerful - he stares at her for 10 seconds and she crumbles to dust. Neo then says now the fun begins and the movie ends. It's obviously a subversion, and a clever one, but it's still pretty annoying.

After the worms I figured Shiraishi could only benefit from better special effects technology, so while I had planned to watch Occult (2009) next, I decided instead to watch A Record of Sweet Murder (2014) instead. Arosm is about a Korean journalist who interviews a serial killer who has allegedly killed 18 people so far, with the help of a Japanese cameraman. It is classic Japanese insanity, although by no means Shiraishi's most outrageous work in the exploitation world - Grotesque (2009) and Cho Akunin (2011) apparently go much further, but I haven't been able to source either with subtitles. But while arosm is definitely in the exploitation genre, it doesn't feel particularly exploitative to me (although tbh I've never really liked that term) - the murder and rape are necessary to the plot, and there is no revelling in it (well, not by our serial killer). All told it's an intense story about faith that blurs between thriller and cosmic horror very well, I thoroughly recommend it.

And so having had my faith restored in Shiraishi by arosm, I decided to go back to Occult (2009). And while the final scene of Occult proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that Shiraishi's special effects game is weaker than a toddler with polio, it also 100% justified my faith in the man, Occult is a spectacular film. I don't want to spoil it - and I highly recommend going in blind - so a brief synopsis is this: Occult is about Koji Shiraishi, playing himself, as a documentarian investigating a seemingly random mass stabbing and the people affected by it, and learning there is a supernatural entity involved.

A lot of Shiraishi's work has elements of cosmic horror, but none more than Occult, it absolutely nails the genre. The leech god would fit perfectly in the Cthulhu mythos (or maybe the Kuturo mythos?) with its alien nature, overbearing mental manipulation and desire for blood. Best of all it nails that element found in the best cosmic horror stories that is hard to describe - the maintenance of hope until the very last second. I think it comes down to the protagonist - they are very often wretched, villainous or at the very least pathetic individuals, but the narrative has you hoping they will be ok anyway. At no point did I think the leech god was anything less than completely malevolent, I knew there was no way suicide bombing Shibuya station would work out well for anyone, and I generally thought Eno, the bomber, was a lazy dick, but somewhere deep inside me was the certainty things couldn't go as badly as I

I love how wrong I was too - ending the film with the slow, greying Shiraishi finishing his stint in prison was fantastic. I just wish they hadn't shown the leech god dimension, it almost ruined the film for me. It's just laughably bad, like something you'd expect from a 12 year old who just learned about green screens. And the most upsetting part is that I can see what he was going for, and it should have been great! It wasn't a twist, but it would have capped the film off perfectly. Instead we got jellyfish and effects straight out of Adam West's Batman.
 
Don Coscarelli's official canon Phantasm phan phiction, now available:

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Will read and report back if the Phantasm movies now make any sense. Incidentally, Severin has been putting out novelizations of random movies and I can't help but be morbidly curious:

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Watched that new flick "Late Night with the Devil" last night with the lady. Absolutely no idea what the hype is about, it's goofy as fuck and there's a Scooby Doo-esque ghost jumpscare near the end that had me rolling on the floor with laughter. I will admit that near the beginning, when you don't know how stupid things are going to get, there's a pretty good atmosphere. Not a horror atmosphere, mind you, just the atmosphere of watching a 70s late night talk show that for some reason got a Blu-Ray release. That was kinda fun.

Even my egregiously easy-to-scare girlfriend was rolling her eyes at it and that's an absolutely damning indictment for a horror film.

On that note, I'd like to say how sick I am of demon movies where they're too scared/gay to make the demonologist a Christian/Catholic so they just make them a nutso crystal spiritualist who says "entity" and "plane" a lot. It's extremely cringe and the woman in LNwtD was no exception. Was very funny watching her get killed though. Was also surprised at the direct references to Bohemian Grove.

Overall, poopy gay movie that I wouldn't recommend. The more you learn the dumber it gets and the dumber it gets the less interested I got. The exception is the Scooby Doo ghost. That shit was funny.
 
The more I watch Terrifier, the more irritated I am. I have no incentive to watch All Hallows Eve, or Terrifier 2, for that matter, in all honesty. What, he's just a seemingly immortal dickhead that always murders whoever beats him? Even Michael Myers knows when to fuck off.
 
On that note, I'd like to say how sick I am of demon movies where they're too scared/gay to make the demonologist a Christian/Catholic so they just make them a nutso crystal spiritualist who says "entity" and "plane" a lot. It's extremely cringe and the woman in LNwtD was no exception. Was very funny watching her get killed though. Was also surprised at the direct references to Bohemian Grove.
Ironically, the reason they all do that spiritual shit about planes and entities is because since the nineties the chattering class have felt that signalling belief in Christianity in any way was cringe.

How would you feel about watching History of the Occult now? I want to see if you agree it's the better 'late night tv show gets spooky' movie.
 
I don't really understand how you can do a Night of the Demon novelization when that movie has next to no story and it's main appeal is a castration scene.
Well that's the whole hook, to see how such a thing could be. I wonder how it came about: did Severin commission it, or is Brad Carter a sasquatch rape enthusiast who did it on spec? Either way, the novel has the potential to answer all kinds of questions nobody asked.

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Half of Mardis Gras massacre is actors pausing to remember their lines. If every other sentence is ".......", it's completely accurate. This one appears to be "based on the screenplay", so perhaps it's truer to the creator's original vision.
 
irl buddy got me the novel of Phase IV years ago
oddly it still has the LET'S EXPLAIN EVERYTHING at the front that felt very tacked on from the movie, but it goes for five phases for the ants' invasion, so no clue if it's based on an early version of the script or what
 
The novelization talk reminds me of author Jonathan Raab's "novelization" of a fictional horror film.

Raab fictionlizes himself as the author commissioned to write the metafictional annotated novelization of an entry in a (fictional) slasher film series, soon to be rereleased on Blu-Ray.
In-universe, Camp Ghoul Mountain IV is a controversial entry into a long-running slasher franchise that was derivative of already derivative movies. The director, a psychedelic-addicted conspiracy theorist, turns it into a movie about Hollywood Satanism as well as a screed against the Vietnam War.

The movie studio, having financial troubles had to release the movie as it was to critical failure. However, the movie gradually started picking up a cult fandom due to the over-the-top gore and bizarre, downright psychedelic plot as well as the moral guardians protesting it. Plus, there were the heroic efforts of the creator/producer of the Camp Ghoul Mountain franchise. He and the director were in conflict over whether they’re making art or mindless entertainment but combined efforts to save the film. Meanwhile, the actual shooting of the film is marked with incidents and moments of "high strangeness", including sightings of strange lights in the night sky. This backstory is interspersed with the novelization of the fictional movie itself. Sure, it starts out just another story of horny teens going up to an isolated location to be killed but they are dealing with much more sinister forces than the animal mask-wearing brute called Henry the Horror. Plus, "Raab" is being subjected to strange phone calls, being followed by mysterious people, and so on.
 
The novelization talk reminds me of author Jonathan Raab's "novelization" of a fictional horror film.

Raab fictionlizes himself as the author commissioned to write the metafictional annotated novelization of an entry in a (fictional) slasher film series, soon to be rereleased on Blu-Ray.
In-universe, Camp Ghoul Mountain IV is a controversial entry into a long-running slasher franchise that was derivative of already derivative movies. The director, a psychedelic-addicted conspiracy theorist, turns it into a movie about Hollywood Satanism as well as a screed against the Vietnam War.

The movie studio, having financial troubles had to release the movie as it was to critical failure. However, the movie gradually started picking up a cult fandom due to the over-the-top gore and bizarre, downright psychedelic plot as well as the moral guardians protesting it. Plus, there were the heroic efforts of the creator/producer of the Camp Ghoul Mountain franchise. He and the director were in conflict over whether they’re making art or mindless entertainment but combined efforts to save the film. Meanwhile, the actual shooting of the film is marked with incidents and moments of "high strangeness", including sightings of strange lights in the night sky. This backstory is interspersed with the novelization of the fictional movie itself. Sure, it starts out just another story of horny teens going up to an isolated location to be killed but they are dealing with much more sinister forces than the animal mask-wearing brute called Henry the Horror. Plus, "Raab" is being subjected to strange phone calls, being followed by mysterious people, and so on.
That reminds me, wasn't there some book from Jason's perspective?
 
Man, Stopmotion started with so much potential. The first 10 minutes or so are great, then it all kinda falls apart.

The girl is also incredibly hot and seems less traumatised than she was in The Nightingale, hopefully she’s had a robust course of CBT and SSRI’s, probably played havoc with her sex drive and self-esteem which would be a huge shame as I’m going to probably hopefully marry someone who kinda looks like her.
 
Don Coscarelli's official canon Phantasm phan phiction, now available:

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Will read and report back if the Phantasm movies now make any sense.
Well I finished it and I am back with my book report.

"Phiction" is a collection of short stories written by director Don Coscarelli detailing the thrilling origins and adventures of these beloved Phantasm-franchise characters:

*Reggie
*Mike's brother's friend Tobe who was onscreen for 45 seconds
*Unnamed gravedigger from Phantasm 1
* The Home Alone kid from Phantasm 3
* Black nunchaku lady from Phantasm 3
* Little person from Phantasm Ra5ager.

Plus an intro to each story, plus a foreword, plus an afterword, plus an introduction by Joe Lansdale, and some illustrations, and some whitespace, and a fairly large font. I'd guestimate it works out to maybe 25% of a normal paperback horror anthology.

I found the stories to be pretty well-written, with professional quality prose, so either Don Doscarelli did a pretty good job or Joe Lansdale ghostwrote it or something. There aren't any grand revelations or massive retcons or fanservice. The stories all take place before or concurrently with Phantasm movies, so it doesn't move the story forward. The Tall Man and Mike make only very small appearances. There is no Bubba-Ho-Tep crossover. Biggest disappointment is that the retarded kid Timmy who lives up the street (mentioned in Phantasm 1) is never referenced.

Black nunchaku lady is now a lesbian, and her friend in Phantasm 3 is now her girlfriend, and we are capitalizing the word "Black". She beats up some white racist criminals. I didn't find it preachy but I thought I would include a TW for right-wing snowflakes. Don Coscarelli lives in LA so he's doing pretty well considering he suffers from that disability. The character is actually surprised to find hardcore white supremacists in early-90s Alabama, instead of taking it for granted as a normal thing, so that's something, and let's face it she wasn't too far in the closet in the first place.

In conclusion, I conclude that it is a pretty good bunch of stories, although a bit short. I also enjoyed Phantasm 5. If Don makes another Phantasm movie where he plays every part with sock puppets, I will buy a physical copy in 4K.
 
I saw Late Night with the Devil, it was an enjoyable film, but the ending felt way too over the top, and think it should've ended a bit earlier. There were some parts that also felt too high-res.

But I still liked it fine enough.
 
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