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Doctor of Autism said:
Yeah it feels like it could easily be a Hillbilly Halloween movie. It's such an unoriginal soulless mess and if it was a campy movie, I would've been more forgiving of it.
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Brad Jones has done a lot of reviews and watches of the company’s movies, and apparently that’s pretty par for the course with their film’s quality. Unoriginal and soulless with a random “thing people know” attached.

But yeah, plying it completely straight was a massive detriment.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
Brad Jones has done a lot of reviews and watches of the company’s movies, and apparently that’s pretty par for the course with their film’s quality. Unoriginal and soulless with a random “thing people know” attached.

But yeah, plying it completely straight was a massive detriment.
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Yeah it doesn't help it tries to have emotional moments too which is just pathetic.
 
Lone Star said:
Here's something I think about often. What movies have you guys seen where the premise, or maybe just the monster/ghost/demon was actually decent or even good, but just trapped in a terrible script? Not counting bad sequels to good franchises, of course.
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A couple that come to mind:

The Ninth Gate - really great premise; wastes an awesome Frank Langella villain performance by barely having him in the movie. Also has a bunch of random goofy scenes, like where the main chick just randomly glides through the air for no reason and karate fights the guys beating Johnny Depp's ass. With a tighter script that had a more consistent tone, this movie could have been an all-timer like Angel Heart.

YellowBrickRoad - genuinely eerie atmosphere but a script that has no idea what to really do with it and it kind of just becomes a Blair Witch rip-off.

Borderland - takes one of the genuinely scariest true crime stories and turns it into a pretty mediocre tourists in trouble movie.

Re: Saw talk - I'm going to go against the grain and say 6 is my second favorite after the original. Having Jigsaw, the guy who punishes people for not valuing their life, go against an insurance exec who literally put a dollar value on everyone's life is a really fun premise and the ending is awesomely brutal.

I'm a lot lower on 7 than everyone else too - there's a bunch of good ideas but it definitely suffers from having what was supposed to be multiple sequels condensed into one. Also the main cop is truly one of the worst actors I've ever seen in a major movie. Points for finally getting to see one of those reverse bear-traps go off after 7 movies though.
 
Tubi diving brought me to this I vaguely remember having watched a beat-up VHS copy of once, thus confirming my view of TubiTV as like the biggest neighborhood video rental place where several of the shelves were top heavy with direct-to-video releases.

Bram Stoker's Shadowbuilder, though I don't remember any Stoker stories that dealt with a priest that packed two laser-sighted pistols. Michael Rooker plays a shooter for the Church, out to stop a demon of primordial darkness, who liked things before "Let there be light" lit up everything, as it rampages in a small town looking for the requisite young boy (and potential saint) to sacrifice so it can reach full power.

 
The "He just made a mistake" in Jigsaw is utterly retarded. In previous movies he was killing people for accidentally stepping on his foot
 
You know when you forget the name of a movie and you simply cannot find the damn thing until one day -seemingly at complete random- you find it?


I saw the last 20 minutes of this thing when I was about 8 or so. Very confused but it looked like an interesting film but every time I'd try to look it up I would be told that it's Serpent and the Rainbow. A movie that never did much for me and I'd be more disappointed that it wasn't the fucking Believers.

Overall, I'd recommend this one if the concept of Haitian voodoo interests you.

Another one is The Rapture (1991) which I don't recommend at all but it's basically a Lifetime TV movie with a little bit of money behind it. I just remember the last 15-20 minutes when I started watching and afterwards I thought I dreamed up the movie. For years I was convinced it was a Lifetime movie but one day I was looking up Paul Schrader's Facebook and he mentioned it off hand. Not a horror flick but the plot does have horror elements.

All that's left are two more flicks I cannot remember the name of but I remember the nudity.
 
Another problem with Jigsaw is how the twist kind of causes an anachronism if you compare the tech level to the rest of the series
 
Lone Star said:
Here's something I think about often. What movies have you guys seen where the premise, or maybe just the monster/ghost/demon was actually decent or even good, but just trapped in a terrible script? Not counting bad sequels to good franchises, of course.
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Eh, what kind of hack even needs a script? The Beyond didn't have a script.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
Brad Jones has done a lot of reviews and watches of the company’s movies, and apparently that’s pretty par for the course with their film’s quality. Unoriginal and soulless with a random “thing people know” attached.

But yeah, plying it completely straight was a massive detriment.
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I watched his review. What I found funny is that apparently this is their first movie release in theaters due to the trailer going viral.
 
Lone Star said:
Here's something I think about often. What movies have you guys seen where the premise, or maybe just the monster/ghost/demon was actually decent or even good, but just trapped in a terrible script? Not counting bad sequels to good franchises, of course.
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Honestly, a lot of Lucio Fulci's movies fall into this category for me. The gore is obviously impressive, but the stories are often mediocre. I really like The Beyond though, and I'm not entirely sure why I think it's so much better than almost everything else he did. Perhaps because of the ending.

I enjoy movies about Nazis and zombies, but both Zombie Lake and Oasis of the Zombies are terrible. Zombie Lake was particularly disappointing due to the fact that it was a Jean Rollin movie, and I normally like his movies a lot.

Wes Craven's Deadly Friend was originally supposed to be a PG rated thriller. Craven was trying to show that he could make a a movie without a lot of gore. The studio insisted on adding a bunch of gore and also so many edits and rewrites that Craven and the screenwriter almost disowned the movie. It would interesting to see the movie in its original form, because it couldn't be much worse than what was released.

Edit: thought of one more - The Keep. Based on a great book, it's beautifully shot, the bad guy looks fantastic, the effects are great, but it was edited down to the point of incoherence. I hope it gets remade or they just put the missing footage back in.
 
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Flaming Carrot said:
Honestly, a lot of Lucio Fulci's movies fall into this category for me. The gore is obviously impressive, but the stories are often mediocre. I really like The Beyond though, and I'm not entirely sure why I think it's so much better than almost everything else he did. Perhaps because of the ending.
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I don't mean to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy for a second. I don't think you really "get" Eyetalian horror if I may be so brash. Eyetalian horror -the good shit- is not really about the plot. It's about imagery. It's about nightmare logic. It's about trippy fucking evil music. It's about stylish murder set pieces. That's what they're about and excluding select Giallo films if you're watching Eyetalian horror for the plot then you're missing what they're about entirely. It's like watching wrestling on TV and sitting there wondering how the ref doesn't notice shit or how the Undertaker appeared in a casket. It's a can't see the forest for the trees situation.

Suspiria has an incredibly simple plot but it's all about the imagery and the music.

Same with The Beyond.

Many of the films of Mario Bava.

It just keeps going.
 
BrunoMattei said:
I don't mean to be that guy but I'm going to be that guy for a second. I don't think you really "get" Eyetalian horror if I may be so brash. Eyetalian horror -the good shit- is not really about the plot. It's about imagery. It's about nightmare logic. It's about trippy fucking evil music. It's about stylish murder set pieces. That's what they're about and excluding select Giallo films if you're watching Eyetalian horror for the plot then you're missing what they're about entirely. It's like watching wrestling on TV and sitting there wondering how the ref doesn't notice shit or how the Undertaker appeared in a casket. It's a can't see the forest for the trees situation.

Suspiria has an incredibly simple plot but it's all about the imagery and the music.

Same with The Beyond.

Many of the films of Mario Bava.

It just keeps going.
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I get that they don't make a whole lot of sense, but I think that some of Fulci's movies sometimes stop being atmospheric and are just boring instead. I think his giallos are OK, but if I'm going to watch a zombie movie with a nonsensical ending, I'd rather watch Cemetery Man than City of the Living Dead. If I need to watch an atmospheric zombie movie, I'd rather watch Zeder than House by the Cemetery. I think his movies are watchable, but aside from The Beyond I don't think he ever reached the heights that that Dario Argenti or Mario Bava did. And after New York Ripper, his filmography just gets worse and worse. I know he's beloved, and I like a good zombie vs. shark fight as much as the next guy, but I wish he'd had Dario Argento's co-writers to help him with the stories.
 
BrunoMattei said:
You know when you forget the name of a movie and you simply cannot find the damn thing until one day -seemingly at complete random- you find it?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6-NmMuukdYE
I saw the last 20 minutes of this thing when I was about 8 or so. Very confused but it looked like an interesting film but every time I'd try to look it up I would be told that it's Serpent and the Rainbow. A movie that never did much for me and I'd be more disappointed that it wasn't the fucking Believers.

Overall, I'd recommend this one if the concept of Haitian voodoo interests you.

Another one is The Rapture (1991) which I don't recommend at all but it's basically a Lifetime TV movie with a little bit of money behind it. I just remember the last 15-20 minutes when I started watching and afterwards I thought I dreamed up the movie. For years I was convinced it was a Lifetime movie but one day I was looking up Paul Schrader's Facebook and he mentioned it off hand. Not a horror flick but the plot does have horror elements.

All that's left are two more flicks I cannot remember the name of but I remember the nudity.
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I remember seeking out the novel the film was based on, Nicholas Condé's "The Religion" ("Condé" being a pseudonym shared by a couple of authors) which got a lot of hype back in the day. I came across a copy of it at the time I sort of fell into reading some other 1980s-era horror novels that happened to involve the practice of some of those old time religions, voodoo and otherwise. And there were quite a few published back then.

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The brutal killings were happening in the unlikeliest of places. A charred adolescent in Fort Ann, New York. Dismembered college students in Mount Horeb, Wisconsin.

An unspeakably mutilated young girl in Salem, Massachusetts. The victims seemed to have no connection, but each met with some hideous end.

The trail of horror led nowhere... until homicide detective Matt Senacal and ex-priest Frank Lattimore came to the God -fearing little town of Eden, Vermont... where some people took Biblical names... where some lived in accordance with Old Testament law... where some believed in its avenging curses... and where few things were what they seemed.

There was something awful in Eden. A madness that spanned generations and a secret as old as time...
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Inspired by @Kujo Jotaro I've started the Saw movies again and... holy shit I forgot how hard the series goes at it, sometimes. 3 in particular, with the foot and the first victim. Holy shit I had forgotten all about that shit, and I legit squirmed twice. Takes a fucking lot for me to react that way anymore.
 
Coolio55 said:
Yo. Who's seen Tetsuo: The Iron Man?
Guy and his GF run over man who puts metal in his arms and masturbates to it. Hilarity ensues as he gets chased by the metal fetishist's ghost and slowly turns into a robot.
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Me and a friend rented this once, just because of the title (we knew it wouldn't be related to Marvel Comics but still).

By the end we had a "what the fuck did we just watch?" reaction.

Apparently there's a sequel, but I never got to see it.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
Inspired by @Kujo Jotaro I've started the Saw movies again and... holy shit I forgot how hard the series goes at it, sometimes. 3 in particular, with the foot and the first victim. Holy shit I had forgotten all about that shit, and I legit squirmed twice. Takes a fucking lot for me to react that way anymore.
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Get a room, queers.

skykiii said:
Me and a friend rented this once, just because of the title (we knew it wouldn't be related to Marvel Comics but still).

By the end we had a "what the fuck did we just watch?" reaction.

Apparently there's a sequel, but I never got to see it.
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First film is great. Maybe a masterpiece. Part 2 is okay but explains everything. Part 3 is awful.
 
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