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The very first scene in Child's Play is Brad Dourif dying and casting a voodoo spell on a Good Guy doll. He even swears revenge against his partner and Chris Sarandon "if it's the last thing I do" or whatever. Any sober adult should have the plot worked out before the opening credits finish. The only reason we don't see Chucky walking around and talking in Dourif's voice from the beginning is Hollywood 101 suspense-building technique. By about ~20 minutes into the movie we even see the doll move by itself. It would take an M. Night Shyamalan-tier twist for Andy to be the killer.

Agreed. The reveal of the possessed Good Guy doll is not a surprise twist. It was never meant to be, and the principal underlying it goes back to Hitchcock.

As he explains, if there is a bomb under the table and it explodes then all you've given the audience a surprise. If you show the bomb and it's timer to the audience beforehand though, then you create suspense because they now know something the movie characters do not. It generates so many questions and tension about who set it, will they find it in time, and so on.

The point isn't to keep us in the dark about Chucky, it's to give us suspense and tension about how and when the characters discover the truth.
 
My og username wasn't JASONfan for nothing, I love Friday the 13th warts and all, I even still find myself checking on the video game now and again and am glad it still has a decent player base...even if gun media got screwed over by victor miller's lawsuit bs. Fave Jason will always be kane hodder still pissed at ronnie yu for recasting him in freddy vs jason but im willing to accept it and not be overly butthurt over it.


Also this probably would be more suited to the western animation thread but did you guys know Adrian Barbeau yes THE Adrian Barbaue of From Beyond and Creepshow fame and John Carpenter's...first wife i believe? was in a Nickelodeon Halloween special? The angry beavers one, The day the earth got really screwed up. Was watching it at random and her name popped up with second billing.
 
Agreed. The reveal of the possessed Good Guy doll is not a surprise twist. It was never meant to be, and the principal underlying it goes back to Hitchcock.

As he explains, if there is a bomb under the table and it explodes then all you've given the audience a surprise. If you show the bomb and it's timer to the audience beforehand though, then you create suspense because they now know something the movie characters do not. It generates so many questions and tension about who set it, will they find it in time, and so on.

The point isn't to keep us in the dark about Chucky, it's to give us suspense and tension about how and when the characters discover the truth.
Touche.

Downloaded a copy of the "completed" Grizzly 2: the Revenge (it used to be Grizzly 2: the Predator but it was retitled for some reason). Tagging @Frank D'arbo .

This had an interesting production history where one of the producers took off, the cast and crew soldered on, and the footage lacked a crucial part of a movie about a killer bear: the bear.

The co-producer who I guess now owns the movie has been promoting her re-release of it for over a decade and copyright striking anyone who uploaded footage of the workprint.


So it finally comes out almost 40 years later. The footage looks good at least but has a distracting color timing trying to make the movie look more "new" for lack of a better word and the cunt producer has been trying to hide just how old the movie is with IMDB crediting it as a movie made in 2020.

The big question when you watch this POS is: how do they get around the fact that there's no footage of the bear or of the kills? Here's the big answer: stock footage. The opening 2 minutes is taken from modern stock footage you could get off any stock footage site and has some terrible After Effects CG. Any time they need an establishing shot of the forest they use modern stock footage which is why I think they color timed the footage to look like a new film so it kind of matches. Any shot of the bear is stock footage and I think taken from the first Grizzly and it still doesn't have gore. That would have been fun to have seen and could have been relatively easily done: shoot on 35 MM, get an effects guy who can pull off a decent bear suit and get some gory extreme closeups. Done. But they didn't do that because they were cheap. I doubt it would have cost a shitload to do.

An example of the really distracting color timing:
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The movie, despite being 74 minutes is still padded with tons of concert footage. It's obvious this concert footage is 2nd unit and obviously -had the film been properly completed- would have drastically been cut down. And there's new concert footage, shot on digital cameras, shoved in there just to pad it out even more. Any time there's an aerial shot it's either stock footage or the cunt producer had a friend with a drone and got a couple minutes of drone shots.

There is so much god damn concert footage. Still no pay off of the bear -aside from stock footage- and still no gore. The film is aching for a payoff to seeing the poachers get killed but it cuts away. The final 14 minutes has to be seen to be believed as it features more poorly edited bear stock footage. They found a pretty decent solution to there being absolutely no footage of the bear at the concert. The ending is just as abrupt and makes no sense. If you want a good killer bear flick then check The Prophecy from 1979 or Berserker from 1987 which isn't good but it's a fun bad movie and a unique take on the slasher.
 
If you want a good killer bear flick then check The Prophecy from 1979 or Berserker from 1987 which isn't good but it's a fun bad movie and a unique take on the slasher.
Or ya know...the original Grizzly movie. The one that was actually finished and properly released.
 
Watched the The Mouth of Madness couple of days ago. Recommend it, sometimes it gets a bit to on the nose meta but other times it does some really cool shit.

The best scene is the drive scene towards Hobb's End. There's no monsters, there's no obvious danger, there's little tension, and it's still disturbing and scary as all hell.
yeah even when it gets too cute for its own good it's still very solid the rest of the time and makes up for it
 
ehh, I can't see a way to do what it set out to do better
I would delete all of the cheesiness of the original. I would also drop Sutter Kane or modify that character to not be a Stephen King type maybe it's an author of much more obscure fiction? Maybe it's not even a writer of horror but it's general end of the world shit? The author is no longer the architect of the end of the world but maybe a cog in the wheel and just part of a bigger picture? Just throwing ideas at the wall.
 
Eh, the original Grizzly is just an okay Jaws knockoff imo.
What's weirder though? That Grizzly 2 actually aired on TV via The Movie Channel (source is my post on Bruno's profile), and I caught it like a half hour before it started.
 
Eh, the original Grizzly is just an okay Jaws knockoff imo.
What's weirder though? That Grizzly 2 actually aired on TV via The Movie Channel (source is my post on Bruno's profile), and I caught it like a half hour before it started.
I had no idea it played on TMC. I thought you watched it on Amazon.
 
Looking forward to the new Halloween. Guess the "remake" won't include the hot nurse in a hot tub scene, that shit was sooooo 80s...
 
So I'm gonna ramble.

I recently watched Jeepers Creepers 1 and 2 again and forgot how much I adore these movies. The issues with the director aside, I heavily consider them absolutely kino.

Midnight meat train was an absolute pleasure to watch and I enjoyed every second of it. The killer, Mahogany doesn't say a single word the whole film but still demands respect in every scene he's in.

A friend of mine has been getting really into Japanese horror and has suggested I watch Takashi Miikes movie Ichi the Killer. Anyone wanna vouch for the movie or Takashi?
 
yeah even when it gets too cute for its own good it's still very solid the rest of the time and makes up for it
It's an alright film. It's something where I'd like to see a remake of it.
I like all the subtle and less than subtle nods to how things are going bad, as well as all the little nods to how your perceptions might be a lie.

Wouldn't want to see a remake or reboot of it, but a movie heavily inspired would be cool. Like a movie where an author notice how his next door neighbor looks exactly like this one character he's been writing for his next book. Or a town where everyone is going crazy over time due to some evil force. Or a truck driver who gets a month long drive to someplace he's never heard of, cause there just aren't that many drivers any more and then the farther he goes the stranger things get, and somewhere he realizes something is after him. Or someone trying to investigate the disappearance of someone (like his daughter or whatever) but he's just been diagnosed with schizophrenia and as things become stranger he's not always sure what is real or not.
 
I like all the subtle and less than subtle nods to how things are going bad, as well as all the little nods to how your perceptions might be a lie.

Wouldn't want to see a remake or reboot of it, but a movie heavily inspired would be cool. Like a movie where an author notice how his next door neighbor looks exactly like this one character he's been writing for his next book. Or a town where everyone is going crazy over time due to some evil force. Or a truck driver who gets a month long drive to someplace he's never heard of, cause there just aren't that many drivers any more and then the farther he goes the stranger things get, and somewhere he realizes something is after him. Or someone trying to investigate the disappearance of someone (like his daughter or whatever) but he's just been diagnosed with schizophrenia and as things become stranger he's not always sure what is real or not.
Or you just do At the MOUNTAINS of Madness and modernize it.

So I'm gonna ramble.

I recently watched Jeepers Creepers 1 and 2 again and forgot how much I adore these movies. The issues with the director aside, I heavily consider them absolutely kino.

Midnight meat train was an absolute pleasure to watch and I enjoyed every second of it. The killer, Mahogany doesn't say a single word the whole film but still demands respect in every scene he's in.

A friend of mine has been getting really into Japanese horror and has suggested I watch Takashi Miikes movie Ichi the Killer. Anyone wanna vouch for the movie or Takashi?

Jeepers Creepers 1 and 2 are certainly well made but it's kind of hard to separate the art from the artist when there's so much pedo imagery. The fucking Creeper looks like the stereotype of a pedophile (guy in a long coat with blacked out features) and the pedo imagery is even more on the nose in part 2 with the group pissing scene with all the males, the males sunbathing topless, and when the creature licks the window where a boy sits.

I hated Midnight Meat Train. It's a bad adaptation of the short story but at least the gore was alright.

Ichi the Killer is one of Miike's best films. Miike was on fucking fire from around 95-2002 or 2004. Pretty much every movie of his was distinct, weird, subversive, insane, or hyper gory. Then, depending on how you look at it, he either sold out or settled down. He still makes at least one movie a year but they're much more generic and tame now. But Ichi the Killer comes highly recommended.
 
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Another horror movie thread? Have I posted here already? Aw well, I guess you can't have too many horror movie threads this time of year.....

Recently watched Oculus. I know that people like to throw the name "Lovecraft" around, but I actually found this movie to be a pretty good example of the genre, in that the heroes are cocky, and expect to defeat the Cosmic horror with science and technology, only to get their asses soundly kicked. It also looked like a movie with a cheesy gimmick, but it turned out to be genuinely disturbing. Of course, in hindsight, if you go against an evil relic with Hokage-level genjutsu powers, you should expect to get your shit pushed in. That's why I like the theory that the evil mirror had implanted the idea to track it down and fight it in the girl's mind, and to bring her brother along with her so it had someone to pin the girl's death on.
 
Watched A Quiet Place yesterday and it was surprisingly good for a 2010s horror movie. I think the only other ones I liked was Bone Tomahawk and Upgrade. The visual design of the monsters in A Quiet Place was kind of lame though.

There's a sequel to it, is it worth watching?
 
Your friend made a good suggestion and I agree with @BrunoMattei that it is one of his best films. I also highly recommend Audition as well.
Best Takashi Miike films:

Agitator
Fudoh: the New Generation
Full Metal Yakuza
Rainy Dog
Shinjuku Triad Society
Audition
Dead or Alive (avoid the sequels)
Visitor Q
Ichi the Killer
The Happiness of the Katakuris (I don't like this one but if you like musicals you might dig this)
Graveyard of Honor
Gozu (Miike channels David Lynch)
Three Extremes (he has one segment)
Izo
Imprint from Masters of Horror (again, I didn't like this one but others did)

I still need to watch his adaptation of Blade of the Immortal.
 
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