Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
Yes, victims. They didn't choose their fate. The women OTOH did choose to be perpetrators. They chose to be vile. It couldn't be any clearer.
Just because women have a preference for taller men doesn’t make shorter men victims my fucking god what an over the top emotionally female type of conclusion! This is ridiculous now absolutely laughable. Thanks but I don’t think this conversation can top this moment so I am gonna bow out on that banger.

Might as well blame women for not finding niggers attractive lmao
 
Just because women have a preference for taller men doesn’t make shorter men victims my fucking god what an over the top emotionally female type of conclusion!
There's a fine line between preference and lunacy. Expecting men to be 8cm taller than they can be on average is lunacy.
 
How tall are you? I knew a guy who was 5" nothing, looked like Danny DeVito, and had a beautiful wife and 9 kids. Very successful guy, self made. It's not about the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. :tomlinson:

Sounds like he had an actual personality and a strong sense of self worth.

This is the biggest difference i see in short men who are self pitying and fucking angry about it and guys for whom it isnt an issue.
 
This is 100% false. Short men are not angry about being short. They are angry because of the way faggots like you talk about them for being short. Send a short man to South America or the Philippines and the 5'2 man is suddenly a king. I have two very close friends both around that height. One of them is an immigrant and he never had an issue with being called short until he came to the US. Exactly for this reason.

They are angry at being discriminated against for BEING short. It's not that hard of a fucking concept to grasp. If you leave them the fuck alone, and let them function like normal people - they do. The problem is retards, keep shoving this narrative down their throats.

I've already made two posts on this. I don't know how else to explain this to make you grasp this concept.


Well, great. That's where you can start because the way you treat people beneath you is a measure of your character.

I treat every man the same way. (I'm talking about at my job.) I greet them the same way, am helpful in exactly the same way. The attitudes I cop in return differ and short men are by far the angriest and most resentful. There is no reason for me to be copping that attitude and so how they treat me is just how they are as people.

I'm 5'1 myself so its not like I'm in a position to make them feel less than with simply my presence as theyre usually my height or taller. But in my experience short men are some of (not all) the angriest, scary sons of bitches out there.
 
Forget fucking them, I know women who get venmoed $800-1000 just because. They have money, usually in IT, and are chunky, nerdy, unattractive and so they just throw money at women because they're unironically convinced that's how you get laid. My one friend's ex used to send her about $500-1000 per week just for the hell of it. EVEN AFTER SHE DUMPED HIM. Men are simps and cancer. Bully these simps. Shame these simps. Throw bottles and assault simps. Kill simps. Behead simps. Total Simp Death. Rich simps like this are no better. These people are cancer and should be shamed for this crap.
My literal reaction to reading that



I cannot imagine the level of simp that sends hundreds a WEEK TO THEIR FUCKING EX holy shiiiiittt

Just get a hooker if you’re going to spend money like that.
Correct. That and a personal trainer.
The most sexually successful guy I know is a part time handyman who is high out of his mind 24/7 he's slept with like 200 women.

Dude aggressively hits on every single women he sees. I have no doubt whatsoever he's considered creepy and been told to fuck off 10,000,000 times but he's having a fuck ton of sex and guys complaining online aren't.
Hehe what did these women look like?

Guys like that end up with chunky Hispanic women or chunky white women (usually with trashy tattoos)

Aka 6s and below. Sometimes they get really lucky and score with some hottie but that's like 1 time.in 20 or even 50 and it'll usually be a one time thing.
Yes there is. The Lolcows will always have groupies and weird, desperate women will always lust for e-celebs even if they are absolutely disgusting like Ethan Ralph. Why do you think serial killers get fanmail? Some women are just that crazy.

Now if you want to make an argument that short men should become Ethan Ralph....well you got me there
This, fame, even weird as fuck minor Internet fame, is like crack to women. I've said this before but the guy who played the cabbie in Better Call Saul said that he got more female attention in his entire life as a 40-50 something actor on a bit part in a big show than he ever did before or sense.

Like women that blew him off DECADES ago were suddenly saying hi on social media and wanting to meet VERY badly, because now he's a somebody.
 
I treat every man the same way.
He means you don’t throw yourself at short men like they think you do at every other man I guess 🤷‍♂️
Guys like that end up with chunky Hispanic women or chunky white women (usually with trashy tattoos)
Well now you’re just being picky.

‘Wah I can’t get women to date me!’

>What about those women over there?

‘Noooo I don’t want those women! Curse my incel life!’
 
Back to the topic at hand: singles nights.

I think venues putting on events for singles is a good thing as long as there's no pressure.

I've spoken to guys who have done speed dating and they fucking hated it. There was a place near me that was hosting "weed dating" at an urban farm where you could actually go and do something productive that interested you while meeting other single people. I had fully intended to sign up for it our of sheer novelty but then covid struck and we got locked down.

I ended up meeting a guy online who lived locally who ended up pursuing me and its been happy days ever since.

In my job I hear tales of dates gone wrong and how crap it is out there for men on the singles scene (apps, singles events etc) so I do have sympathy. We dont take pairing up as seriously as they did back in ye olden times and just try to let things occur naturally but there's really only so many places you can meet people.
 
But in my experience short men are some of (not all) the angriest, scary sons of bitches out there.
Well, I can't really refute your experience. All I can really say is I just hope you keep in mind what I said before. Every flag looks red when your eyelids are painted crimson.

I cannot imagine the level of simp that sends hundreds a WEEK TO THEIR FUCKING EX holy shiiiiittt
They unironically don't see a problem with it. They have lots of money and they see this as getting female attention, regardless of whether they warrant it or not. It's really hard to deprogram them. I've met plenty of guys who will take their new girlfriends of a few weeks on cruises and weekend trips and I'm just like...."Dude, you should slow down". They really don't listen or care. When they view money as no object in life anymore, they throw it away casually and stupidly and wonder why all they ever find is gold digging hoes.

that's what I'm saying, this is why these guys strike out so bad. they're just not masculine.
You can tighten your cuck cage all you want, they're not going to fuck you.
 
There was a place near me that was hosting "weed dating" at an urban farm where you could actually go and do something productive that interested you while meeting other single people.
>weed dating

you should definitely come to our urban farm, bro! real greenhouse vibes and shit!
*hits pipe*
like, it's called weed dating! that means we're doing something productive that interests us!
*rips bong*
and by that i mean smoking sticky purple bud all day! nothing more romantic than getting super baked!
*coughs*
 
"just be smart, good looking and confident" really is top tier boomer advice lol

>smart
iq is innate, you're either born with it or you aren't.
there's ways to make a smart person dumber (fry the brain with drugs for example) but there's no way to make a dumb person smarter

>good looking
80% genetics, 20% taking care of yourself and not being fat
if you're willing to go deep into looksmaxxing you might be able to change some of this but by and large you're stuck with what you're born with and no way to change it

>confident
confidence reflects your experience.
if you've had social success and experienced positive feedback throughout your life, you develop lots of confidence.
if you've faced rejection and experienced social defeat throughout your life, you develop negative confidence.
this isn't something you can just decide to change about yourself, there's way too much unconscious shit going into it. posture, facial expressions, choice of words, tone of voice, body language, how you carry yourself - if you don't have it going on naturally then you're not gonna 'fake it till you make it' your way into it either.
I don't believe this person has ever had consensual sex with another person in their life.
 
Well, I can't really refute your experience. All I can really say is I just hope you keep in mind what I said before. Every flag looks red when your eyelids are painted crimson.

I'm not trying to date these men I'm trying to give them good customer service thus everyone gets treated the same way straight off the bat. They have ZERO reason to have an attitude, and yet ...
If thats how theyre treating me - a neutral, tiny female - then they have absolutely no hope in the dating scene.
 
I'm not trying to date these men I'm trying to give them good customer service thus everyone gets treated the same way straight off the bat. They have ZERO reason to have an attitude, and yet ...
If thats how theyre treating me - a neutral, tiny female - then they have absolutely no hope in the dating scene.
They don’t want dates they want reparations
 
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