Culture ‘Hell on earth’: Men share why they avoid singles nights - Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners

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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

Some of the comments have been edited for this article for brevity and clarity.
 
Uh-oh Justa's here. Who wants to talk about nigger dicks with me?

Anyway wrt standards, if this site and the cow talk therein has taught me anything it's that I apparently have low/no standards. I'd fuck Brittany Venti and Pearl Davis in a heartbeat despite everyone in their threads deeming them unfuckable cave trolls. Why not.
 
Uh-oh Justa's here. Who wants to talk about nigger dicks with me?

Anyway wrt standards, if this site and the cow talk therein has taught me anything it's that I apparently have low/no standards. I'd fuck Brittany Venti and Pearl Davis in a heartbeat despite everyone in their threads deeming them unfuckable cave trolls. Why not.
Venti, sure. But Pearl? Come on man have some self respect.
 
If I had to speak on behalf of most women, the vast majority are okay with you making a move AS LONG AS you are able to take a 'no thank you'. The issue is that some men can't take a respectful no for an answer and women then project that behavior onto all men. But most women I know would love to be approached, since they're too shy to make the first move. Just some food for thought, I already know some of you are going to say 'WOMEN ARE GOING TO CALL THE COPS ON ME AND SAY I RAPED THEM!!!'. I'm just trying to give you guys some hope in this dark world.
 
Uh-oh Justa's here. Who wants to talk about nigger dicks with me?

Anyway wrt standards, if this site and the cow talk therein has taught me anything it's that I apparently have low/no standards. I'd fuck Brittany Venti and Pearl Davis in a heartbeat despite everyone in their threads deeming them unfuckable cave trolls. Why not.
isn't pearl a known race traitor though
 
Since this thread has already become a general "issues with Current Year gender relations" discussion and since somebody brought up women's attraction to men earlier, an important point to mention is that women like men who provide. It comes across as strong and capable and loving, all qualities women appreciate.

When nanny states became a thing, men started getting robbed by their governments of the fruits of their labor (through taxes) and those fruits were then simply handed to women. (In the form of subsidies for single parent women, kindergartens, later DEI and similar women-only initiatives, etc.)

This historically unprecedented form of government basically decoupled the work men do from the perception of strength and capability that always went with it and therefore attraction, too. Women are still being protected and cared for by men, still enjoy the fruits of their labor - but they no longer associate them with them. Because it's no longer your husband who worked alongside you who tilled that field outside and planted those seeds and broke his back providing all that food you're now surviving off of. It's just The Government, financed by John Doe, anonymous taxpayer who is making it so you're getting your welfare checks on time and your tax deductions and why you have a cushy office job where you do basically nothing in return for several thousands of dollars a month.

Robbery and stolen valor are probably the best ways to describe it. It's the government stealing something from men, then handing it to women and pretending it accomplished that. It's not surprising voting patterns show women leaning heavily toward pro-government parties, policies and politicians, given that it has functionally taken over some of the role of a husband for the modern woman. Shrink the government and women will be able to appreciate men more again. Cause what we have now is the equivalent of a society where governments ignore women but use their tax money to provide sex robots to every man, which wouldn't be fair either and would have similarly destructive consequences.
 
When nanny states became a thing, men started getting robbed by their governments of the fruits of their labor
the average earning difference between men and women is paltry 10% , 20% if you go overall and include older cohorts .

In 2023, women were more than half (around 55%) of non-elderly adult SNAP recipients.

Women were nearly 59% of Medicaid enrollees aged 65+.

Ignore the fact that most of welfare is used by foreigners and is getting scammed by various ngos.

Also nice way to say that women wouldn't touch you unless they were starving . Which is funny way to say most men are so insufferable that women have to starve to even touch them and have to be forced to be with them . :story: :lossmanjack:
 
Oh no, it’s global now. Also a side note, I’ve met a lot of height queens. (Women that only care about height).
Height is one of those things that’s sort of nice as an abstract but not essential. If I was build-a-bear-ing the platonic ideal of bloke, I like about six foot but I dated someone five foot seven who was gorgeous (and smart and nice) and honestly never even thought of height.
I’m really short so unless a guy is a literal dwarf he’s going to be taller than me. It certainly wouldn’t be a deal breaker or an absolute must have. Rather like how I’m sure a lot of men find certain things very attractive but will do just fine with something else. You may drool over a massive pair of breasts but be fine with a regular pair. Height is like that.

I actually got dragged to speed dating by a friend almost twenty (argh) years ago. It was fucking awful even then, it must be truly hellish now.

It's the government stealing something from men, then handing it to women and pretending it accomplished that.
I’m female and a higher rate taxpayer and feel frankly murderous when i see how much I’m taxed and where it goes. I’m ok paying for the roads to be fixed but ffs stop sending half my had earned cash every month to bomalian rapists and Pakistani incest babies. Grr.
 
Choose the bear, ladies, that’ll be the only relationship you’ll ever have where you nourish your partner in any way.
:story:

I'd fuck Brittany Venti and Pearl Davis in a heartbeat despite everyone in their threads deeming them unfuckable cave trolls. Why not.
Do people unironically compare these two? I know Britanny was a 4chan kween back in the day but she seems worlds apart from davis.
 
the average earning difference between men and women is paltry 10% , 20% if you go overall and include older cohorts .

In 2023, women were more than half (around 55%) of non-elderly adult SNAP recipients.

Women were nearly 59% of Medicaid enrollees aged 65+.

Ignore the fact that most of welfare is used by foreigners and is getting scammed by various ngos.

Also nice way to say that women wouldn't touch you unless they were starving . Which is funny way to say most men are so insufferable that women have to starve to even touch them and have to be forced to be with them . :story: :lossmanjack:

Even then I feel like these men wouldn't have the character it requires to take care of a woman in a pre-feminist era. They'd be the ones spending their pay before they even got home on booze, gambling, whores or some wacky hobby letting their children starve in the street. The sort of men that led to women needing intervention from the state in the first place so their children werent repeatedly taken off them and put in children's homes where they were systematically raped and abused.
 
Now c'mon, i've been polite to you

Why'd you gotta do linux users like that
I use Windows, BTW.


Anyway wrt standards, if this site and the cow talk therein has taught me anything it's that I apparently have low/no standards. I'd fuck Brittany Venti and Pearl Davis in a heartbeat despite everyone in their threads deeming them unfuckable cave trolls. Why not.
Davis is a well-known race traitor, but she's also a ginger, and gingers are divine beings, so you are forgiven.
 
Even then I feel like these men wouldn't have the character it requires to take care of a woman in a pre-feminist era. They'd be the ones spending their pay before they even got home on booze, gambling, whores or some wacky hobby letting their children starve in the street. The sort of men that led to women needing intervention from the state in the first place so their children werent repeatedly taken off them and put in children's homes where they were systematically raped and abused.
it's the opposite
said good-for-nothing bums are now on the dole alongside the single mom sluts they knock up and the kids they abandon, being funded and enabled by the same welfare money as them (that the state takes out of the pockets of men who do have their shit together and work productive jobs)
 
>weed dating
I could actually probably see this working. Especially among Gen Z since they're largely potheads.

They have ZERO reason to have an attitude, and yet ...
If thats how theyre treating me - a neutral, tiny female - then they have absolutely no hope in the dating scene.
Maybe they're bitter. The Who Hurt You meme is actually pretty accurate. Men have an essentially what's an HP Bar for patience when it comes to dating and women. You get fucked over enough, it runs out and it changes you. You become bitter and take it out on everyone. It's not fair, and it's not right but they can't help it. At that point the only thing that helps is the perfect combo for finding a woman trustworthy and learning to let go. Otherwise, there's not really much advice you can give them and it's almost wasted breath. That's why you see so many divorced men that are this way.

I'm glad your weed night worked for you though. Making a single's night revolving around some kind of activity rather than just "meeting", probably has a much better result. The less it feels like a job interview, the better.

It is extremely weird how this works. I called this cute woman a bitch one time while we were eating lunch in my college years, and she giggled and wanted to hang out with me more.
For some women, it's a comfort thing. It makes them feel like you're being genuine. For other women, niceness is weakness and being a little mean is an indicator of strength. For other women, especially foreign women, don't do this. But there's someone else who can put it best:


It's not even empirically a useful factor in determining whether a man can protect you or not. Same thing with dick size and money if you don't know how to use it properly.
You've kinda completely missed the point. It's not that it's useful or necessarily makes a woman feel safe, but rather an aggregate of factors. Most important of which being, it's not really "for her" that you're tall. It's that it matters to those around her and she can show you off to those around her. Half of the complaints women have that you listed actually have nothing to do with you as a man, but rather are a status symbol that she can show off to her frenemies. Not all woman are like this, but a good chunk are.

I get being desperate, but seething will only make you more unattractive.
It's not really desperate, a man can fix and work with desperate. His friends can fix and work with desperate. You can't fix nihilism though. And nothing is more gay, faggoty, and cucked than nihilism.

Most of these faggots want stacies
Stacy sucks. I hear her mom's got it going on, though.

I'd fuck Brittany Venti and Pearl Davis in a heartbeat despite everyone in their threads deeming them unfuckable cave trolls. Why not.
They are unfuckable. Not because they're necessarily ugly but Pearl Davis is a disgusting coalburner and I refuse to touch a woman that has been touched by a nigger. Brittany Venti also got gangbanged by her fans on preddit and she let that disgusting simp Think Before You Sleep touch her shoulder that one time and for that, I wouldn't fuck her either. She's disgusting.

Acting as if racemixing
Race mixing is only illegal if you're creating more of a race I don't like.
 
Men have an essentially what's an HP Bar for patience when it comes to dating and women. You get fucked over enough, it runs out and it changes you.
I took an animal science class in college because I heard it was easy and needed a grade bump. I came away learning that you can show sheep some sheep porn so that they'll learn to smash. Horses are different apparently. If young male horses see other horses fucking and then attempt to fuck but fail, they will become demoralized forever virgins and fall into depression.

With the internet at my fingertips I have never verified if this is true. Anyway, it's a memory that just now came up. Along with the guest speaker who worked a hog farm talking about how to make sows orgasm when you artificially inseminate them.
 
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