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Men in our community shared candid accounts of why singles nights hold little appeal for them, citing fear of public rejection, dating fatigue and a preference for more organic ways of meeting partners​

Monday 02 March 2026 09:08 EST
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Dating nights aren't for everyone (iStock)

Olivia Petter’s report on the challenges of getting men to attend singles nights prompted a flood of responses from male readers sharing their own experiences of dating.

Rather than rejecting the premise outright, many used the comments to explain why events like these hold little appeal for them personally.

A recurring theme was discomfort with structured, high-pressure formats such as speed dating, which several described as “forced”, “synthetic” or akin to a job interview.

Men spoke about feeling exposed in environments where rejection plays out publicly, arguing that the expectation to be instantly charming, funny and confident creates an uneven dynamic. Some said they preferred meeting partners organically – through friends, shared hobbies, travel or everyday life – where connection develops more naturally and without an audience.

Others reflected more broadly on modern dating. A number of commenters said they had opted out of formal dating altogether, citing exhaustion with apps, perceived imbalances in effort, or a sense that expectations have become transactional and over-analysed.

Here’s what you had to say:

Men shoulder most of the effort in dating

As a single man who has largely given up on dating, articles like this complaining about men while making out that women are great sum up why.

I’m expected to put the vast majority of effort into dating. I take the risk of rejection in doing the asking out, I arrange the date, usually carry the conversation, frequently am expected to pay, then this process repeats for future dates. The majority of women I met seemed to think turning up was all that’s required for me to ‘woo’ them. In return, I’ve had women ghost, cancel last minute after I’ve paid for tickets, complain about the venue, say things like I should be grateful they turned up at all after they arrived almost an hour late (extreme lateness was very common, often followed by a dismissive comment about how I should put up with it because I’m a man).

Clearly there are issues women experience too, but the big difference from my perspective is effort. Women expect everything to be done for them and, other than their appearance, don’t invest much in the early dating stages. I’ve never once had a woman ‘bound right up’ and ask me out, never had a woman pay, never felt like they were making the effort to keep me entertained, never had them suggest or arrange a date. They frequently complain about men’s failings yet seem to have zero awareness of their own.

I’m in my 40s now, so I’m not that bothered about sex or flings. I have good friends and enough going on that I don't want to waste time on something that just isn't enjoyable. If the other person was making a similar level of effort, then I may feel differently. The level of entitlement is ridiculous though – it frequently felt like dealing with teenagers, unable to show any initiative or reciprocation.

Andy

Men are used to being rejected

Attending an event like this is a higher risk for men. Social vulnerability is something men are culturally punished for showing. Men are used to being rejected; women are often the ones rejecting. Experiencing this again, but with an audience, can't be that tempting.

This type of event also favours verbal fluency, emotional expressiveness, and social confidence – traits that suit how the average woman socialises better than men. You describe this as men suffering from pride or a lack of motivation, completely ignoring that the format itself is flawed.

If you want something more than that, involve some sort of activity. Add some sort of competition with built-in conversation starters. A quiz? Cooking? Cocktail-making competition? Why not a go-kart event? A great night regardless of the social outcome.

My two best dates were a trip to IKEA and one where that girl showed me some great biking paths in the forest. The latter one is now my wife.

Daniel

Many of us are socially awkward

I met the women I ended up marrying on a backpacking trip: she was camping with three other women and I was by myself. No force on earth could have compelled me to enter an event such as the writer describes. Of course, I was (and am) socially awkward – but so are so many of us.

I can't recall how my children met their partners, but we had one recent success. Through my wife's friend, we got to know a man who had been a friend of one of her children. He seemed like a nice guy with no partner. But he was VERY quiet. Our daughters had a female friend who had no partner and who they described as being really nice, so we old folks went into action. Our daughters approached their friend, who sent them a list of questions – "Does he have kids? Has he been married? Does he smoke? Does he have a job?" – which they passed on to us to get the answers. Things worked out. Yay! Matchmaking lives!

soccerdad

Dates are like job interviews

I wonder if the psychology of the modern dating game just appeals more to women than men?

I'm in my early fifties now. In my teens, people were either very much in a relationship or not; the idea of going on a date with someone to see if you wanted a relationship was something alien we saw on American television. By my thirties, I'd largely opted out of the whole thing.

The idea of going on a date which was effectively a job interview seemed a very unappealing way of spending an evening when there was the alternative of doing something I enjoyed. If I met somebody that way, well and good; if not, it didn't matter – I was out having fun, doing things I wanted to do. I met women who were attracted to me and I not them, women to whom I was attracted and they not me, and on it went.

Eventually I met the woman who is now my wife quite by accident, through friends.

I did once, for a magazine article I agreed to write, go to a speed-dating night. It was hell on earth for me – I hated it. I dabbled very briefly with internet dating as well, but never went on a date because I never saw anyone I thought would be a match. It all felt pointless.

PadraigMahone

Let things happen naturally

It was the same decades ago. I once got asked to join a speed-dating night as there weren't enough men. I'd just had a bad accident, so I explained to the organiser that I was in no fit state to go looking for a date; I'd come just for the fun of it.

I had to fill in a form where you had to describe yourself in three words. Assuming I would get no dates whatsoever, I wrote "toothless, not heartless." Then I sat down with each girl and explained I was here just for fun – because, well, look at the state of me.

To my surprise, every single girl put me top of their list – and even the girl organising the event asked me out. The other guys didn't get a look in because they were trying to be "sensitive, caring, and kind" like they had written down –and this went absolutely nowhere.

There's a serious point here – men don't like dating events because they feel forced and synthetic. The format itself runs against the grain of how many men are wired to court. Being lined up for inspection, filling in forms, rotating on a timer – not just uncomfortable, but actively undermines the qualities that tend to make men attractive in the first place: spontaneity, confidence, a bit of mystery. Hard to be mysterious when you're wearing a name badge. It doesn't feel particularly "blokey" to offer yourself out for selection.

Dating events aren't struggling because men are emotionally stunted or commitment-averse – they're failing because the environment selects against natural confidence and rewards a kind of performed sensitivity that most people, including the women attending, can smell from a mile off.

Far better to go, have some fun, and let things happen naturally – even when you're least expecting it!

Sneaker

I’d head to an event over an app

I have to say that for someone who hasn't been dating for 30 years, this goes against what I would have expected – i.e., men outnumbering women 15:1 rather than the other way round.

If I ever found myself dating again, I'd have thought I'd head to an event like this long before I'd join an app, to be honest. But maybe that's just me.

GoodGriefCharlieBrown

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You know I’d sympathize with Manlets more if they were so insufferable about it all the time.
My standard approach has always been that I will sympathize with the men who will try and fail with women. I will not sympathize with those who don't try. If they're going to complain, the least they can do is earn the right to complain.

there is no fucking excuse
Yes there is. The Lolcows will always have groupies and weird, desperate women will always lust for e-celebs even if they are absolutely disgusting like Ethan Ralph. Why do you think serial killers get fanmail? Some women are just that crazy.

Now if you want to make an argument that short men should become Ethan Ralph....well you got me there.

become successful
Nigga, did you just call Ethan Ralph successful?
 
what the fuck is this bullshit ethan fucking ralph has been married twice and reproduced twice

there is no fucking excuse
Discounting Nora who everyone considers a lottery winning in Ralph's love life, retards and pedophiles do not a content manlet make. Though that might be unfair to Nora.

"Why do guys complain about being hungry? There's shit RIGHT THERE!"

It's more confirmation to the belief that height is limiting if your example to the contrary are short guys having partners no sane person would consider. To put it another way, would  you have Ethan's kid?
Edit: like seriously imagine telling a 20-30 something year old short guy "If you dont mind scoping out high school or are okay with women who watch (animated) child porn, being short isn't really a setback bro" with a straight face.
 
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Nigga, did you just call Ethan Ralph successful?
At one point he was yes. He had a successful show, he had influence, he had friends and a fanbase who listened and respected him. He even reproduced twice. This is more than many of the incels who failed to ever launch will do. So, yeah low bar but it’s still a bar.
 
At one point he was yes. He had a successful show, he had influence, he had friends and a fanbase who listened and respected him. He even reproduced twice. This is more than many of the incels who failed to ever launch will do. So, yeah low bar but it’s still a bar.
Does the phrase "exception to the rule" ring a bell with you? A smol man being successful is the equivalent of a smart woman. They do exist, they just aren't legion.
 
might as well argue "danny devito got married therefor being an ugly manlet isn't an issue hehe :^)"
Muggsy Bogues was 5'3 and played 14 years in the NBA, the majority of which he was a starter. Therefore, we can conclude that height doesn't matter in the NBA and anyone complaining about being too short to play in the NBA is just not trying hard enough.
 
Does the phrase "exception to the rule" ring a bell with you? A smol man being successful is the equivalent of a smart woman. They do exist, they just aren't legion.
I dunno dude I agree but, there are people born with crippling disabilities and horrific deformities that I never hear complain half as much as the fucking manlets. It’s like at some point people who aren’t are just going to say ‘fine, you’re right, it’s impossible to ever overcome your lack of centimeters. Truly no one has never had it as bad as the height-deprived. Not even the actual midgets smaller than them.
 
How the fuck did we get from “why aren’t men showing up to singles’ nights?” to “leftover women versus Short Kings”? And why aren’t those two groups nicer to each other given they’re a match made in… well, not heaven, but I’m sure they could work something out.
 
How the fuck did we get from “why aren’t men showing up to singles’ nights?” to “leftover women versus Short Kings”? And why aren’t those two groups nicer to each other given they’re a match made in… well, not heaven, but I’m sure they could work something out.
They both have unresolved anger issues and their targets are the other side.
 
How the fuck did we get from “why aren’t men showing up to singles’ nights?” to “leftover women versus Short Kings”? And why aren’t those two groups nicer to each other given they’re a match made in… well, not heaven, but I’m sure they could work something out.
The eternal struggle is perpetuated by the algorithm so that advertisers can get paid for nominal eyes-on through console wars style online engagement.
 
I dunno dude I agree but, there are people born with crippling disabilities and horrific deformities that I never hear complain half as much as the fucking manlets. It’s like at some point people who aren’t are just going to say ‘fine, you’re right, it’s impossible to ever overcome your lack of centimeters. Truly no one has never had it as bad as the height-deprived. Not even the actual midgets smaller than them.
Being a few cm below average is not a crippling disability, but the females' man-height fetish is very real and poses a massive disadvantage to lot of fine men, and it wouldn't even be a real burden to the women having a short man, they just choose to be the cunts they are, just like some men choose to be the dicks they are by favoring nasty bitches over decent women, or paying for fake tits instead of being okay with smol ones.

Being a cripple OTOH does come with vastly limited expectations towards society from the start, so the cripple won't even get the idea of being able to choose. Very different things.
 
Being a few cm below average is not a crippling disability, but the females' man-height fetish is very real and poses a massive disadvantage to lot of fine men, and it wouldn't even be a real burden to the women having a short man, they just choose to be the cunts they are, just like some men choose to be the dicks they are by favoring nasty bitches over decent women, or paying for fake tits instead of being okay with smol ones.

Being a cripple OTOH does come with vastly limited expectations towards society from the start, so the cripple won't even get the idea of being able to choose. Very different things.
worth noting that peoples ideas of 'short' vary widely

statistically, male height averages around 177cm (5ft 9in) in america, but plenty of women will consider anything below 6ft (183cm) short
so something like 60% to 70% of men are considered manlets by women, including many who are objectively normal (or above normal) height
 
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worth noting that peoples ideas of 'short' vary widely

statistically, male height averages around 177cm (5ft 9in) in america, but plenty of women will consider anything below 6ft (183cm) short
so something like 60% to 70% of men are considered manlets by women, despite most of them being objectively normal (or above normal) height
Yup, that's what I mean by the 'females' man-height fetish.' It's utter lunacy to think that an average-sized man would be too short for an average-sized woman.
 
they just choose to be the cunts they are
See this is where you lose any sympathy. This need to turn whatever discrimination you are facing into just banal lame ass bitter attacks on the gender or society in general and seethe in impotent misanthropy. No one wants to hear that shit outside /r9k/. It reeks of teenage angst.
 
See this is where you lose any sympathy. This need to turn whatever discrimination you are facing into just banal lame ass bitter attacks on the gender or society in general and seethe in impotent misanthropy. No one wants to hear that shit outside /r9k/. It reeks of teenage angst.
I do not face it. Here's also another aspect of being a cunt: to make everything a personal matter. Cunts cannot seem to comprehend that you can criticize something without being directly affected by it. They posses no theory of mind.

I'm taller than the average American man from what I'm seeing. Still, the female obsession with height is mind-boggling. Not sure how much of that is cultural, though. I know that tall women have it hard in regions where the men are comparatively short, like East Asia.
 
I do not face it. Here's also another aspect of being a cunt: to make everything a personal matter. Cunts cannot seem to comprehend that you can criticize something without being directly affected by it. They posses no theory of mind.

I'm taller than the average American man from what I'm seeing. Still, the female obsession with height is mind-boggling. Not sure how much of that is cultural, though. I know that tall women have it hard in regions where the men are comparatively short, like East Asia.
Ironic if you are implying I am ‘a cunt’ and going off about theory of mind lol
 
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