Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Yeah that would make sense since Vivzie heard about all the animated shows that got cancelled on WB and Netflix and worried she'd have the same fate. There's also how every animated show is greenlit for 2 seasons at the bare minimum.

Vivzie is really lucky she has a large fanbase because she can get her 6 season dream show most likely given that Amazon greenlit up to Season 4 for her.
Lets not count on S3 or 4 even happening. Sure, Amazon has greenlit them, but at the last moment they can always pull the plug, we saw Netflix do that with Inside Job. Viv could easily get the same treatment, specially if S2 suddenly doesnt hit well enough with view numbers or subscriptions.
 
You know, if Viv held out and decided to keep Hazbin Hotel indie, it could have been Helluva Boss.

Think about it; she could have gotten the animation, the voice actors, the Broadway stars, all the coomer merch...that could have been Hazbin Hotel.

I'm not saying the writing or story would have been better, and she probably would have still been an asshole to all her former friends that helped her with the pilot in the first place. But we can clearly see, she got all that she wanted in her animated show with Helluva Boss. And she didn't have to sell her pitch to a corporation for it. I have to wonder if she ever does regret selling her ip to A24.
 
You know, if Viv held out and decided to keep Hazbin Hotel indie, it could have been Helluva Boss.

Think about it; she could have gotten the animation, the voice actors, the Broadway stars, all the coomer merch...that could have been Hazbin Hotel.

I'm not saying the writing or story would have been better, and she probably would have still been an asshole to all her former friends that helped her with the pilot in the first place. But we can clearly see, she got all that she wanted in her animated show with Helluva Boss. And she didn't have to sell her pitch to a corporation for it. I have to wonder if she ever does regret selling her ip to A24.
A24 is a weird beast, as they have a more hands off approach to creators stuff, they're also a go to if an indie filmmaker wants to get their stuff on the big screen (though at times A24 does step in, as they tossed out that Putin movie, making the creators release it independantly), so I can see how Viv thought these guys would be a good choice at the start.
 
Series Charlie being regarded as "Mary Sue" isn't because she doesn't have flaws, the flaws are there, it's just that she doesn't necessarily get called out on it, or to be more specific, doesn't reflect on how the consequences of her actions as a means to develop as a character as the show paints her as in the right, regardless of how little she earned it. Characterization wise, Pilot Charlie is optimistic but a realist when it ultimately comes down to it
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Compared to Series Charlie who legitimately thinks life is Sunshine and Rainbows, and if anything inconveniences that ideology, she's gets overly emotional towards people who had the audacity to upset her.
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Looking at these images here I realise another downgrade in the art, that being Charlie's expressions between the pilot and the series. With the first two GIFs of series Charlie it's like the artists are forcing those expressions onto the character, ironically it makes the expressions feel more fake.

Whereas with the screenshots from the pilot, Charlie's design is less angular and is drawn with more curved lines. The delicate nature of her personality is naturally conveyed in the softer drawings. To me it seems like a part of the conceit of the pilot is how Charlie doesn't fit in with the others in Hell. The way she's drawn visually symbolises that difference, and it makes that phone call scene more impactful as well.
 
“Kaylou, how dare you shit in my jambalaya. That is it. You are going to hell for 1837592037492 years, and then you are grounded grounded grounded for an additional 2649492737392 years.”

"nononono it was a good jambalaya waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

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Forget everything said about the shows. This is the true version of the show that cannot be beat.

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"Hooray. I went to Chucky Jesus and see Ale-Star and see his food. **DANCE**. Mister Ale-Star, please give me food."

"No".

"**Different voice** WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON I WANT MY DAMN FOOD ARRARARARARARRRRRARGGGHHHHHHHHHH**"
“Kaylou, how dare you shit in my jambalaya. That is it. You are going to hell for 1837592037492 years, and then you are grounded grounded grounded for an additional 2649492737392 years.”
Then that happens.
 
Redo Time

Next on the chopping block

Octavia

Vivianne did her so dirty, its not even funny having a teenager be the focal point or "main villian" is preposterous. And taking away her sense of urgency about how her father treats her is so fucked up. On a side note I have a family member that sort of embodies what Stolas is and things they've done are very simular to Stolases actions, so it's so disgusting to see Viv do things like that.

Narcissistic, nepto, victimizing, lying, can't ever take accountability, but will point at all the mistakes and wrongs YOU'VE done to them. Fucking horrendous behavior. She unironically made him the perfect manipulating abuser, and her self insert. Octavia deserves better.

Old design
Not goth or princess like, she looks like she's a hipster or a thrifter.
She doesn't look like Stella at all and just looks like her father.
Her color palette doesn't fit the goth/powers she has.
Crown beanie is a odd combination.
The only thing that shows she has star powers is her weird shirt.

New design
Gave her tons of purples and blues to give her a regal look. And also highlights her goth esthetic.
Her crown is fused to her skull much like her father's.
Gave her star and moon patterns to highlight her status and powers.
Gave her a mix of Stella's and Stolas's feathers/features.
Gave her a long neck to highlight her being younger and royal, she looks like a teenager still growing.
Her wings also wrap around her dress and has stars in her feathers.
Galaxy Dress
Stolas multiple eyes. But they all have irises.

Story wise

Octavia is sheltered

Octavia is born Stella does her best to raise her, but experiences postpartum depression leaving her to not fully commit to Octavia in her younger years, though she does very much love Octavia.

Stella uses and abuses medication to cope, leaving her not always present.

Octavia has the standard royalty childhood where servants and butlers raise her instead of Stella and especially Stolas. She grows fond of them
This gives her an appreciation for imps, she memorize all of their names and birthdays as to her they are her family. She is very kind to them and when her parents aren't looking she helps with chores and other things they do.

Many imps have a soft spot for her and look to her fondly.

She wants to grow up to be a kind queen and to be more at one with her people/family. And doesn't realize imps are lower class and or slaves.

Two imps (Orion and Marabel) in particular she grows very close to as they help her with learning spells and give her advice her parents should of given her. Essentially they are house slaves.

Orion was bought as a child from the Greed ring, as a form of offering to Stolas. And Marabel was given to Stolas from a Wrathian family that couldn't provide enough food as a alternative.

Both of their entire lives they've lived to serve the Goetia.

Blitzo also did servant tasks to raise Octavia, but doesn't really get to know her. Striker wants to kill all the Goetia, overlords and anything that puts imps in servitude.

Stella in Octavias teenage years begins to get closer to her daughter. She was distant as Octavia reminded her of herself when she was younger.
When Octavia finally becomes of age (16 in my version) to be able to learn more advanced spells and to eventually fulfill Stolas's position.

Stolas gets the book taken on her birthday. Postponing her initiation. And in a fit of betrayal and rage Stolas begins to round up as many of his Imps as possible to imprison them and or execute them, thinking that all imps are conspiring to ruin him.

Octavia does her best to defend themselves, as they are her family and friends. Stolas thinking his daughter is being brainwashed sends Orion and Marabel into a prison. He states that imps aren't to be trusted, and that her blood is a stronger bond than shackles.

Octavia doesn't understand this As her whole life she's been groomed to see the Goetia only being good beings. And when she tries to get confirmation of this from the imprisoned imps, they revealed that alot of them are slaves/prisoners/ and were sold off to the Goetia.

This gives her a dilemma to either become a Goetia and fulfill her destiny which might continue the pain Goetias cause, or to sully the Goetias name along side her father and be seen as the new lowest creatures in hell where even hellhounds and imps wouldn't want you as servants.

As always

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Most of that you get in fan fics or fan comics. I doubt anyone will have the time to make it a full blown animation sadly.
And even then it could be shit, like the RWBY fan games called JPDE, and it's sequel, they have passion, but that's about it.

Yes, this is real dialogue from JPDE, and apparently in a NSFW version, she rapes you but I can't confirm it.
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I love watching blind Hazbin Reactions because honestly same 💀

Also wanna note the woman referring to Vaggie and Charlie as "friends" by accident because their chemistry as lovers is just NOT very apparent to an uninitiated audience...
 
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I love watching blind Hazbin Reactions because honestly same 💀

Also wanna note the woman referring to Vaggie and Charlie as "friends" by accident because their chemistry as lovers is just NOT very apparent to an uninitiated audience...
They were clearly written to just be gal pals and the lesbian thing was added later. In fact I'm pretty sure Viv says that somewhere.
 
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I love watching blind Hazbin Reactions because honestly same 💀

Also wanna note the woman referring to Vaggie and Charlie as "friends" by accident because their chemistry as lovers is just NOT very apparent to an uninitiated audience...
Vaggie is probably the most wasted character of any of the major cast, on paper she has a good amount going for her, being the princess of Hell's girlfriend, has only been in Hell a couple years so could serve as an audience surrogate, and of course is secretly a former Exorcist who was one of the best ones according to Adam.

But in practice her relationship with Charlie is codependent as fuck (and no characters call her out on it, so I feel the writers might not even realize it given how unsubtle the show is), and her being a fallen Exorcist is literally just used to make Charlie angry at Vaggie for a single episode, the rest of the hotel nor Carmillia remotely give a shit that Vaggie has killed thousands of Sinners.

Said it before but the reveal of her being an exorcist should have been a mid season 2 twist, she's forgiven by Charlie rather quickly because Charlie is all about second chances, but characters like Angel, Husk, and Pentious treat her like the plague and it's not until the season finale do they begin to forgive her for the things she's done.
 
Gave her a mix of Stella's and Stolas's feathers/features.
Thank you for incorporating that. I always found it annoying that the only think Octavia got from Stella was the eye color.
Vaggie is probably the most wasted character of any of the major cast, on paper she has a good amount going for her, being the princess of Hell's girlfriend, has only been in Hell a couple years so could serve as an audience surrogate, and of course is secretly a former Exorcist who was one of the best ones according to Adam.

But in practice her relationship with Charlie is codependent as fuck (and no characters call her out on it, so I feel the writers might not even realize it given how unsubtle the show is), and her being a fallen Exorcist is literally just used to make Charlie angry at Vaggie for a single episode, the rest of the hotel nor Carmillia remotely give a shit that Vaggie has killed thousands of Sinners.

Said it before but the reveal of her being an exorcist should have been a mid season 2 twist, she's forgiven by Charlie rather quickly because Charlie is all about second chances, but characters like Angel, Husk, and Pentious treat her like the plague and it's not until the season finale do they begin to forgive her for the things she's done.
I always knew that the whole "Vaggie was an exorcist" was something Viv had never planned initially, and that if Viv took that popular fan theory to canon it would end up going rather poorly for Vaggie's character. Glad to see that I was proven right.
 
I always knew that the whole "Vaggie was an exorcist" was something Viv had never planned initially, and that if Viv took that popular fan theory to canon it would end up going rather poorly for Vaggie's character. Glad to see that I was proven right.
I'd argue Viv didn't have any plan for Vaggie right from the word go. She was originally going to be Angel Dust's girlfriend who was a prostitute from El Salvador, then Angel was made gay, then later during the pilot's production some crew members started shipping Vaggie and Charlie which Viv liked so made them a thing, and finally as you said Vaggie being an exorcist became a popular fan theory so Viv made that canon too.

Sure all the characters changed from Zoophobia to pilot to series, but Vaggie's entire dynamic or background was radically changed in every single iteration.
 
Me watching 20 minutes of Hazbin Hotel:
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Me watching 20 seconds of old Chilly Willy:
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(Sir Pentious sleeping with his egg minions genuinely made me smile, though.)
 
 

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