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MirrorNoir said:
Damian only has the belt because the Raw belt is a poison chalice of a participation trophy title and most of the top guys don't want it. They wanted to put the belt on Punk and pray he could somehow rehab it/give it prestige but he got hurt, combined with Drew McIntyre being on the verge of possibly leaving WWE during the spring. And given how Rollins flopped as champion and Gunther being groomed as a possible Cody challenger and Sami getting an IC title run and Finn being a jobber 's jobber, Priest got it by default of being the only guy who was dumb enough to say "sure, I'll be Raw champion!".
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I disagree. I think Rollins being the inaugural holder was a good choice. He can perform like it matters and treat the belt with a very high amount of respect. While it came at a time where we already had a Universal champ, I still think the WHC is a prestigious belt. But it has to be treated differently from the Universal title.

Punk, McIntyre, Gunther, and a couple other guys could make that belt the envy of the entire roster. Dudes like Cody or Roman aren’t the target for it. You have to have a definitive cutoff between those two classes. Universal needs to be leagues above the WHC. That doesn’t mean the WHC on its own merit is lesser than Universal, but it could be used as an important stepping stone to get to that higher echelon. Priest is definitely not going to reach that mountain top unless there’s drastic improvements. I think he’s a decent enough wrestler, but I don’t see him being the draw a champion should be.

I guess what I’m trying to say is this: how do you effectively have two main champions in a company but treat the belts differently? Not an easy task, but I’m willing to give Trips some time to get it done.
 
this years Mens MITB is impossible to predict, maybe Jey could win it but then the question is which Belt does he cash in for ? on RAW they are obviously going to give Gunther a long title run as the next top heel so thats moot, and then on SmackDown Cody is currently feuding with his little brother so maybe he could get involved there but at the same time Cody is also a face and it wouldnt make a lot of sense unless they intended to turn Jey heel which would just throw out all of his character development over the past year.
 
MirrorNoir said:
Damian only has the belt because the Raw belt is a poison chalice of a participation trophy title and most of the top guys don't want it. They wanted to put the belt on Punk and pray he could somehow rehab it/give it prestige but he got hurt, combined with Drew McIntyre being on the verge of possibly leaving WWE during the spring. And given how Rollins flopped as champion and Gunther being groomed as a possible Cody challenger and Sami getting an IC title run and Finn being a jobber 's jobber, Priest got it by default of being the only guy who was dumb enough to say "sure, I'll be Raw champion!".
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You make it sound like the belt is on par with the WHC circa-Jack Swagger's reign. Rollins did a fine job as champion and the belt is so new that the "poison chalice" effect doesn't really apply or make sense.

McIntyre still would have been far and away the better choice to hold it to give it credibility. Priest has really reduced it to IC title levels and Gunther can't exactly elevate the title by making it his first "world title" reign. The only hope is that Punk swoops in on it because that will instantly revitalize it. Throw him into a feud with McIntyre over it and bam, you've now got two bonafide world titles.

Still, I think you're way overstating its negative connotations. I guarantee if Orton, Lesnar, Punk, McIntyre, or Roman were offered it (just a pool of names of top stars besides Cody) that there's no way they'd refuse it.
 
Caddo Cobgang said:
this years Mens MITB is impossible to predict, maybe Jey could win it but then the question is which Belt does he cash in for ? on RAW they are obviously going to give Gunther a long title run as the next top heel so thats moot, and then on SmackDown Cody is currently feuding with his little brother so maybe he could get involved there but at the same time Cody is also a face and it wouldnt make a lot of sense unless they intended to turn Jey heel which would just throw out all of his character development over the past year.
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The safest scenario I can see is Drew winning, cashes in during the Rollins/Priest match, and Punk once again screws him out of the championship as Drew takes the pin. I know fans want to see LA Knight win, but he looks to be taking the US title from Logan Paul unless Knight does a surprise cash in later on and goes back to being a heel.
 
The Nothingness said:
The safest scenario I can see is Drew winning, cashes in during the Rollins/Priest match, and Punk once again screws him out of the championship as Drew takes the pin. I know fans want to see LA Knight win, but he looks to be taking the US title from Logan Paul unless Knight does a surprise cash in later on and goes back to being a heel.
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I can't help but feel LA Knight lost a lot of steam over the past year. He went from "the guy" (at least for the audience reactions) to being Slim Jim man.
Personally I lost a lot of respect (for lack of a better word) for LA Knight when he changed his billed location from Hagerstown, MD to Los Angeles. It might seem miniscule, but I miss the days when all the top talent wasn't from some huge city in one of three states. The same applies for John Cena when he was from West Newberry, Massachusetts. Cena's billed from Los Angeles too now iirc.
 
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Harm said:
The only hope is that Punk swoops in on it because that will instantly revitalize it.
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Punk is still trying to revitalize himself and utterly failing. He can't even take a beating on screen.

But by all means, put the title on the guy made of glass. It may actually be the trigger for his latest tard rage if he can't keep the title for his vacation like Reigns was always doing. :story:
 
Harm said:
Billing them as being from a specific location feels very old-fashioned.

Does it really matter anymore except for when they're a hometown hero?
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It's more genuine for these people to come from places outside of the huge metropolitan areas of California, New York, or Florida because it helps develop character; It's a significant detail to remember about them, it shows that top level people/talent come from all over the place, it gives an idea of values, training, and origin regardless of if they're face or heel, and it can help build storylines. Sure, there were times this was mishandled, like Cena being written as the underdog during the 2010's at times against people like Rusev, but he basically was a country bumpkin compared to somebody like The Rock who was always billed from an area like Los Angeles or Miami.
In this sense, I'd argue that it really matters.
 
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Harm said:
Does it really matter anymore except for when they're a hometown hero?
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sometimes it gives subtle character bits, like Regal being from Blackpool is a tell that he's not really a regal guy and is basically just some thug putting on airs for the yanks
 
The Nothingness said:
The safest scenario I can see is Drew winning, cashes in during the Rollins/Priest match, and Punk once again screws him out of the championship as Drew takes the pin. I know fans want to see LA Knight win, but he looks to be taking the US title from Logan Paul unless Knight does a surprise cash in later on and goes back to being a heel.
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I don't think so. People were pretty pissed that Drew got screwed at the Clash and if they keep pushing Punk as screwing with Drew, it runs the risk of turning Drew as a real face and Punk as a heel.
 
THE STRESS said:
I can't help but feel LA Knight lost a lot of steam over the past year. He went from "the guy" (at least for the audience reactions) to being Slim Jim man.
Personally I lost a lot of respect (for lack of a better word) for LA Knight when he changed his billed location from Hagerstown, MD to Los Angeles. It might seem miniscule, but I miss the days when all the top talent wasn't from some huge city in one of three states. The same applies for John Cena when he was from West Newberry, Massachusetts. Cena's billed from Los Angeles too now iirc.
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LA Knight was always going to be a flash in the pan. He's an older guy who's not getting better in ring with optimistically two good in-ring spots, booked like a jobber to the stars and by all means he's third world sugarless diet Rock on the mic. His claim to fame is a catchphrase and being popular with kids/normies.

In other words he's Jey Uso minus the nepotism, it was over before it began for him.
 
Neighborhood Janny said:
Damien Priest looks like he could be a world champ, but he doesn't have the presence, psychology, or move set in the ring to convince me he is the WHC.
As far as what will happen Saturday, Priest will drop to Rollins. Gunther will get the belt at SummerSlam
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That’s what I’ve been saying. I don’t mind him but he just ain’t doing it as the main champion. Hell Bálor would be a better choice and the belt would look good on him since he’s a smaller guy.

That’s also what I’ve been saying since Rollins came back. That’s the bigger feud and they’ve had interactions before in 2019.
 
Tism the Return II said:
LA Knight was always going to be a flash in the pan. He's an older guy who's not getting better in ring with optimistically two good in-ring spots, booked like a jobber to the stars and by all means he's third world sugarless diet Rock on the mic. His claim to fame is a catchphrase and being popular with kids/normies.

In other words he's Jey Uso minus the nepotism, it was over before it began for him.
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thats the problem with LA Knight (and Jey too) is that they are too old to really start up a run as a top-guy for a long period of time, even Cody is just kind of going to be the guy for a couple of years before going down the card, while wrestlers have longer careers then they did in the 80s and 90s i cant see a universe in which LA Knight eventually wins a world title, maybe Jey will get a thank-you run, as far as younger guys go im looking at guys like Trick who are only 30 years old and have already gotten over huge on NXT
Hijo de D. Woodchucks Jr. said:
Punk is still trying to revitalize himself and utterly failing. He can't even take a beating on screen.

But by all means, put the title on the guy made of glass. It may actually be the trigger for his latest tard rage if he can't keep the title for his vacation like Reigns was always doing. :story:
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thats the main problem with giving Punk the belt, hes way to injury prone at this point in his career, if he wrestles at all hes better off as a special attraction kind of like how Hogan was in 2005-2006,
 
The Nothingness said:
Face MJF wasn't working so AEW turns him heel again. Won't he just get lost in the shuffle given all the other top heels?
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It's a silly move, they are stacked with heels at the moment and the only real top card faces are Ospreay and Swerve. It looks like Mercedes and Hanger are part of the Elites faction now as well.

There are rumours that Kenny is much closer to returning than previously anticipated and Cole is supposed to be pretty much ready to go again. If they don't pull the trigger on them then the All In card is going to be very odd.

They need their Stone Cold and it sure as fuck isn't going to be any potential new signing like Dijak or Ricochet.
 
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