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Watching CM Punk do this interview in this show or whatever with MMA in the title, is pretty funny. To this day, you ask anyone outside the wrestling bubble who CM Punk is, they will either look at you puzzled or say oh yeah, that loser that thought he was an athlete.

Punk does mention the whole Vince thing, brings the point most made here, Vince is a complete idiot for those text messages but is he? More and more I'm going with it was consensual and she got way over her head.

And for the Jack Perry and the Bucks thing, it will always be Tony Khan's fault. Punk is just easy to troll.

I hope Tony Khan loses his shit by this interview and releases the video of the Wembley incident.

Edit. Having watched the entire thing, Punk says he's wrestling out of love, he doesn't need to, there is 0 mention/reference about the whole Rancid/losing money thing, which makes me think is real, Phil would of gotten upset and throw a tantrum already. Why else would you wrestle in the state that frail body is?
 
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trent said:
AEW are cutting a bunch of jobbers/RoH people over the past few hours.

I presume that the timing is either down to Punk already giving them bad press anyway or TK is trying to look like a tough boss to save face.
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Anyone else remember when Cocaine Tony said there would not be a mass release of talent like what WWE does?
 
The Nothingness said:
Anyone else remember when Cocaine Tony said there would not be a mass release of talent like what WWE does?
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It was a silly statement to make. People may not always with who WWE releases during their firing sprees but you can't really blame them for letting talent go if they aren't getting a good return on the investment of paying them.

It doesn't help that a lot of the people who were supposedly being "mis-used" by WWE prior to their release have been less than impressive when they went elsewhere.
 
2031 will mark 20 years since the final WCW moments


Jim Ross wanted the Invasion to continue on and is aware they didn't have the main eventers but in his words, you can't force them to come over to WWF at the time, and they were hoping the young talent they had at the time would break out and get over.


At 5:48. JR admits mailbox money is his favorite kind of money so he supported the WCW stars siting out their contracts.
 
Y’know, as entertaining as AEW is for reasons that aren’t actual wrestling, I’m morbidly curious at what a “Rise and Fall of AEW” would look like.

It’s probably not going to happen - Papa Khan is probably just going to keep the lights on to keep his failson away from the actually profitable family businesses - but with how Tony’s burning money and how the crowds (arguably AEW’s biggest strength for a while) are shrinking, even that tap might get cut off.

Turns out, when you build a wrestling company on “Fed Bad”, you don’t get to be surprised when the Fed gets good and your company flounders - and that’s before getting into the whole Punk Debacle again. I swear, the smartest people in AEW were Cody and Jade - they upped their stock/got their name out, and then jumped ship.
 
Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
Y’know, as entertaining as AEW is for reasons that aren’t actual wrestling, I’m morbidly curious at what a “Rise and Fall of AEW” would look like.

It’s probably not going to happen - Papa Khan is probably just going to keep the lights on to keep his failson away from the actually profitable family businesses - but with how Tony’s burning money and how the crowds (arguably AEW’s biggest strength for a while) are shrinking, even that tap might get cut off.

Turns out, when you build a wrestling company on “Fed Bad”, you don’t get to be surprised when the Fed gets good and your company flounders - and that’s before getting into the whole Punk Debacle again. I swear, the smartest people in AEW were Cody and Jade - they upped their stock/got their name out, and then jumped ship.
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AEWs problem is that it doesn't know what it wants to be. At the start it was basically a super-indie that took all of the good stuff outside of WWE and made a unique show out of it that was surprisingly well received by the mainstream. They made some stars in this period and some stayed and some left, that happens.

Then they started to pick up WWE cast-offs and make them into the new hot shit for a month or two with varying results. That eventually ended badly with Punk leaving them in a controversy that made AEW look like a bit of a shitshow. Diluting the whole thing with zombie-RoH during that time has been a disaster. RoH is dead, forget about it and move on.

Since then they've been unlucky with Cole, Omega and MJF getting injured so they decided to take out the checkbook to sign the top guys from NJPW who haven't really moved the needle despite their undeniable ability. Ospreay is probably as good as Omega at his peak but he has no one at his level to work off of like Kenny did when he hit his stride.

They are in a weird position. They have a solid roster. They could have solid storylines with a few minor adjustments. Somehow they are running a fairly middling promotion with maybe one or two good matches a show despite having the potential to do much better.
 
I don't feel like effortposting in the kiwifarms wrestling thread, but Anthony Henry is taking his release from AEW really hard and it's pretty sad.
 
Having watched the rest of the Punk interview, all's I gotta say is lmao.

There is probably a ring of truth to a lot of what he's saying, but every single situation was:

"I calmly and politely told so-and-so..."

Yeah, CM Punk, known for his tranquil demeanor.

He was the same smiles and chill dude when he first joined AEW, too. Maybe his experience with the Snow Man matured him, and again, I do think there's some truth in what he's saying, but it's pretty ridiculous how he portrayed himself in the best possible light and took zero accountability.

I really hope he has another spazz out.
 
I just got done with the Wyatt documentary, goddamn what a loss. I wonder if he would be involved with the bloodline story line this year helping Cody win. Shit man does it hit you in the feels at the end. Next is the Roman one.
 
Sometimes I wonder what Sid's career would have looked like if he hadn't shattered his leg. I imagine he had a fat Turner contract so he would have sat out the Invasion, but maybe he could have made his way back to the Fed for a short-term deal.
 
Preferred Penne said:
Sometimes I wonder what Sid's career would have looked like if he hadn't shattered his leg. I imagine he had a fat Turner contract so he would have sat out the Invasion, but maybe he could have made his way back to the Fed for a short-term deal.
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I could see Vince being hard for having him back
 
Preferred Penne said:
Sometimes I wonder what Sid's career would have looked like if he hadn't shattered his leg. I imagine he had a fat Turner contract so he would have sat out the Invasion, but maybe he could have made his way back to the Fed for a short-term deal.
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He'd likely have a mini feud with Lesnar, maybe with Benoit as they relive their feud over Sid's leg on the outside and letting Benoit know he never legitimately beat him, alluding to the Radicalz' exodus from WCW. I wonder if he'd use his version of the Crossface again.
 
Kaizer Ghidorah said:
I mean why did Cena at the height of his super Cena staleness need to literally bury Bray and just shrug off all the factually true things said about him even as a huge undertaker mark why did Taker need to beat the new spooky character they were trying to build up when he was close to on his way out why did Orton need to completely bury bray on 2 separate occasions and especially why did a well over the hill Goldberg need the universal title over this unstoppable monster you're supposed to be building up all I'm saying is if bray had won those feuds I think he would genuinely have been in a much better place as a character than the common story of wasted talent that epitomizes late stage Vince era WWE we got ultimately
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I'll forgive the Goldberg thing purely because they had written themselves into a corner with the Fiend gimmick and Goldberg, someone who was just encountering Wyatt for the first time, just clobbering Wyatt/Fiend like he did was the closest thing to a satisfying ending you could get.

That said, I'm still pissed we didn't get a Dexter Lumis/Wyatt feud. A lot of stuff was in place for it; both coming back around the same time, the idea that Dexter was beating up Miz to try and reverse the "dark magic" that turned Miz heel that Fiend used on him, him abandoning Indi to protect her from being targeted by Fiend, and also the idea of tying Karrion Kross to Fiend as his ally could have made for a nice undercard story/containment universe for Wyatt.

Leaf Wage Slave Jr said:
Y’know, as entertaining as AEW is for reasons that aren’t actual wrestling, I’m morbidly curious at what a “Rise and Fall of AEW” would look like.

It’s probably not going to happen - Papa Khan is probably just going to keep the lights on to keep his failson away from the actually profitable family businesses - but with how Tony’s burning money and how the crowds (arguably AEW’s biggest strength for a while) are shrinking, even that tap might get cut off.

Turns out, when you build a wrestling company on “Fed Bad”, you don’t get to be surprised when the Fed gets good and your company flounders - and that’s before getting into the whole Punk Debacle again. I swear, the smartest people in AEW were Cody and Jade - they upped their stock/got their name out, and then jumped ship.
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Any book on the fall of AEW will be complicated by the mass number of NDAs floating around plus assholes like Jericho, who are shamelessly advertising themselves to be talked to about such a book and who have a definite agenda to cover their ass/protect themselves/lie about their role in the company's decline and to blame it on people like Punk and not Jericho and the Elite.

At best, you'd have something like Scott Keith's early 2000 WWE books which has prefaces on certain chapters (like the fall of Steve Austin) where Keith explicitly states "the following chapter is piece together from speculation, conflicting sources, and people who I had to talk to off the record and who can't be named".

Also I doubt Sid would work with Benoit in WWE if he came back. Sid's reputation, his egomania, and the fact that die hard smarks hated his guts would have doomed him and at best, he'd be a one-off feud for the Undertaker or a feud with Hogan as a reward for Hogan for behaving, with Edge getting brutalized by Sid to set up the feud.
 
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BiggestKai said:
Is vince's shit a natural aphrodisiac or something?
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Damn, the genetic jackhammer can still go in the sack, if true.

Preferred Penne said:
Sometimes I wonder what Sid's career would have looked like if he hadn't shattered his leg. I imagine he had a fat Turner contract so he would have sat out the Invasion, but maybe he could have made his way back to the Fed for a short-term deal.
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He would've taken Angle's role as The Mole who eventually brings Team WWF the win.
 
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