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jorgoth said:
It'd be like in the Bible where the Israelites kill all the men and take all the fertile unwed women of a victim population, but with the full consent of the victim population.
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Slightly OT, but there's an excellent (((short story))) which is like this, called The Gentleman from Cracow by Issac Singer. It's really exciting, it made me feel like I did when I was wee and read Susan Cooper's fantasy books.

Can't link properly just now because my phone sucks, so here it is.

 
Another thought I had following on from my last comment about their “trans rights” slogan - the other mantra the trans activists and their ass kissers like to repeat over and over is “trans women are women” and it makes me wonder what the hell they’re insinuating when they say that. There are hairy bearded blokes out there who will insist that they’re beautiful delicate princesses deep down inside, but make no changes to their appearance, save for maybe a more feminine wardrobe.

So if the only criteria to being trans is self identification, and if being obviously male biologically but identifying as female magically makes you the exact same as someone born with XX chromosomes and a pussy, does that mean not wanting some AGP coomer to dig through the sanitary disposal bin in the ladies room in search of used tampons to stick up his butt is wrong because he has every right to be there? I find troon rhetoric equally confusing and annoying.
 
Trans people are just gay people in denial.

...Well except for the ones that peep into women's restroom stalls. Those are just degenerates.
 
It seems to me that the UK is full of more feminists who do not subscribe so fully to transgender ideology than is the US, is this true and why?
One reason is that the UK has national health care, whereas in the US we don't and the pharmaceutical lobby (not fondly referred to as Big Pharma) spends the most amount of any lobby on lobbying US politicians.

As a result, what Big Pharma wants, Big Pharma gets. And Big Pharma wants your kids, to turn into very profitable lifetime medical experiments under the guise of transitioning.

Also, in the US, there are only two parties. The Democrats, to which most liberal women belong, are all in on the transgender agenda, partially because of the $ from the Medical Industrial Complex (which includes Big Pharma) and partially because transgender activists very deliberately cemented themselves to gay rights back in the 1990s.

So the Democrats have been convinced that gay rights, which are now phenomenally popular among liberals - almost a religion at this point, are the same as trans activist demands.

And also because our media, except for conservative media, has been bought. Some of the mainstream media is owned by corporations with a direct financial interest in transitioning. Lefty media is receiving funds from organizations and foundations whose priority is trans activist demands.

Not only has our media been bought, but while we were sleeping, the trans lobby started pumping money into women and gay organizations like the National Organization for Women, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, GLAAD, Human Rights Campaign and other liberal organizations like the ACLU and the NAACP (for Blacks).

The net result is, outside of conservatives ,mostly on the very Far Right, most Americans have no idea that the transgender agenda is being implemented from the local to the federal level until they themselves are impacted.

There is a media blackout, Democratic politicians frame trans agenda-friendly legislation as pro-LGBT, and the women's organization that should be pushing back have sold out.

So feminists in the US are shouting into the wind at women who can't hear because the gatekeepers have been bought by the transgender lobby. The only people who will help US feminists are conservatives, conservative politicians and conservative media.
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Kirkorov said:
And if you haven't been scared off of taking Testosterone yet, another thing the troons won't tell you is that there's a high chance it will make you a fucking fatty. You will have to work out like a sunnuvabitch to avoid falling into the amorphous-androgynous blob that 85% of FTM's end up in. They all start looking like podgy dumplings with shaved heads, spectacles and blue hair. Then they get a double mastectomy, but nothing can take away the female hips. So the end result is a figure like a 3 tier wedding cake.

Question: How much yaoi have you read?
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Weight gain is like the least of it.

Some of the joys of FTM look forward too are;

  1. Patchy pube-like Beard
  2. Rarely do they get a 'proper' masculine distribution of body hair
  3. Baldness
  4. Weight gain. If you don't work your ass off to gain muscle you'll get fat and turn into a dough-boy who can only get human interaction via desperation posts on reddit and twitter.
  5. Increased risk for serious diseases; including but not limited too heart disease, stroke, and cancer(s).
  6. Vaginal Dryness + Skin Thinning - Rendering it painful to have sexual intercourse.
  7. Eventual need for Hysterectomy due to the risk associated with Testosterone affecting your uterus / reproductive organs.
  8. Increased Anger and Aggression.
  9. Moodiness. Mood Swings.
  10. Severe Acne.
  11. A voice that will never be male, ever.
  12. Monster Clit.
  13. The inability to change your behaviors to actually mimic a born and raised male, which will usually cause real men a sense of unease so they will not fully accept you either.
  14. If 'You're gay'. It ain't never gonna happen.
  15. If 'You're Strait'. It's still incredibly unlikely.
  16. The obvious mental issues associated with trans-ness that means you will struggle to fine work, companionship, or camaraderie with regular people.
  17. Top surgery scars.
  18. Uneven top surgery with various complication risks that results in a chest that never looks quite right, along with the obvious scars.
  19. Nipples probably going to fall off.
  20. Torso looking like a toy doll as a result.
  21. 80-90% Complication Rate if you go the route of SRS.
  22. If you get SRS you are left with a massive scar that is prone to infection and possibility of nerve damage. That most be would be horrified too see and even more horrified to find out you chose to do to yourself.
  23. A skin tube sewn between your legs that will never be a real dick without a preponderance of additional cosmetic work to make it vaguely look like one and if it doesn't rot off is prone to getting cold as you lack the plumbing to make a functional penis.
  24. The inability to fully squeeze out all the urine from your skin tube, resulting in stagnant leftover piss smell and probably high risk of UTIs.
  25. No ability to have an actual erection, must be faked with an inserted device that has high complication rates.
  26. You will be a medical patient for the rest of your life.
  27. In being a medical patient you are also a statistical anomaly and many problems will likely be caused by your 'treatment' for trans-ness, which in turn means your health care will be further in the toilet as doctors don't know what to do with you.
  28. Infertility as a result of testosterone use.
  29. High rates of depression.
  30. Who knows what other long term health complications that haven't been discovered yet as a result of pumping your body full of synthetic hormones it's not supposed to have beyond minute amounts.
  31. If you suddenly have an 'Oh fuck what have I done moment', as many FTM do- you will not be able to reverse what you've done as easily as a MTF.

Chances are you will always be shorter than any other man. Smaller hands and feet. Wider hips. Thinner, sloped shoulders. Wider eyes. Higher brows. Lack of brow ride. Smaller nose. Smaller chin. Thinner torso. Feminine calves. You cannot have a male body because you are female. No amount of surgery can hide your female shape fully, anything you get done surgically will just be attempting to mask it and it won't be done very well. The toon lobby and online communities are selling a lie.
 
Harbinger of Kali Yuga said:
I would caution people against assuming that because a strong majority of trannies or whatever are X, that all trannies are like that.

I think most trannies are transtrenders with mental disorders but I think there are legit trans people out there. The question is, how many, and what is making them feel that way from a very early age? We know that gender and sex ARE linked and that boys naturally as boys want to do boy things and generally play with dumptrucks over barbie dolls, so why do some people in childhood feel the opposite of their birth gender? I do not know, but just because the left wing is insane and posturing tolerance while encouraging people to identify as trans so they can feel more accepting does not mean there aren't legitimately trans people out there. I don't really know for sure, and I do think most transgenderism is "iatrogenic," like diagnoses like DID/MPD which are not what they appear to be on the face of it surrounded by a lot of bullshit.

I think a real potential tragedy over the left's eagerness to produce transgender individuals to wage a war on sex and gender is the fact that actual real trannies-with-the-wrong-switch-in-their-brain like the recent poster end up being further marginalized as, giving the poster the benefit of the doubt here, they're not merely narcissists with a cornucopia of personality disorders but people with something real and biological going on. The transtrenders have muddled the discussion and corrupted the science so much it's impossible to say--as the modern tranny movement, composed of transtrenders, has stated that you're trans if you merely want to be trans for whatever reason at all.

Newer research on schizophrenia shows that it's not a singular mental disorder, but a far more complicated set of distinct disorders working together. There are different types of schizophrenia on top of that, too, such a paranoid schizophrenics or catatonic schizophrenics. We must be careful how we view mental disorders and what they really are, There may be different biological/social markers for people being trans -- there may be biological trannies, and then a group of people who also identify as such more motivated by personality disorders and social/environemntal presssures.

To edgeedgnedgy: You will probably not find love, but that's true of a lot of us normal straight males here as women of our generation have been corrupted and most of them have gone insufferably woke, to say the very least. It's no picnic for us normal regular dudes either. We're sort of a lost generation.
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Wanting to play with toys meant for the opposite sex isn't a sign of being trans. Plenty of little girls are tomboys but never question their gender and never experience dysphoria. In the West, few people make a big deal out of women who genderbend. The fact that genderbending boys are treated differently is a problem, I think.

A true transgender child would be dysphoric. That would mean being uncomfortable with their genitals, and the most common reason for that to happen is sexual abuse as far as I know.

I believe "real" transpeople do exist, but their gender dysphoria is probably a subset of body identity disorder and it probably begins during their teenage years most of the time.
 
Panthera Rosea said:
I hate trannies.
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I don't. I know a bunch. They're mostly good people looking for solutions in the wrong places. Or they're just following the fad.

But once I went out to dinner with one, who got upset and pounded on our table, and everything in my body instantly went into fight or flight mode. Something primitive in my brain absolutely viewed that person as a man with male-strength and male danger-levels when angry, and no amount of convincing is gonna change that.
 
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Mrs. Addams said:
I don't. I know a bunch. They're mostly good people looking for solutions in the wrong places. Or they're just following the fad.

But once I went out to dinner with one, who got upset and pounded on our table, and everything in my body instantly went into fight or flight mode. Something primitive in my brain absolutely viewed that person as a man with male-strength and male danger-levels when angry, and no amount of convincing is gonna change that.
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That is quite weird.
 
Mrs. Addams said:
I don't. I know a bunch. They're mostly good people looking for solutions in the wrong places. Or they're just following the fad.

But once I went out to dinner with one, who got upset and pounded on our table, and everything in my body instantly went into fight or flight mode. Something primitive in my brain absolutely viewed that person as a man with male-strength and male danger-levels when angry, and no amount of convincing is gonna change that.
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That kind of behavior always reminds me of this aggressive male troon.

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His behavior and body language and aggression are all hypermasculine but he expects to be treated as a woman. Seriously fuck these people. They're just abusive, misogynistic men who have found a free pass to be absolute, utter, violent scum.
 
Estrogen Use Puts Transgender Individuals, De-Transitioners at High Risk of Blood Clot Deaths
The Pharmacy Times recently posted an article referencing the report “Deep vein thrombosis in a transgender woman,” which is in the database of the US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health. Amongst the reports findings is that “high doses of estrogen,” including for “transgender treatment” increases “the chances of getting blood clots,” a condition that is “often the cause of sudden death and strokes.”

The report evaluates the case of a patient identified only as “KG,” whose healthy lifestyle and family history would ordinarily place the patient at low risk of developing blood clots, a condition often causing sudden death and strokes. KG, a 44-year-old male who identifies as a woman, is described as a “nonsmoker and does not drink alcohol. She exercises regularly and eats a whole food diet. She has no history of hypertension, hyperlipidemia, diabetes, clotting disorders, cancer, or recent surgery. Her family history is negative for thrombosis.” Despite KG’s aspiration to “live a healthy lifestyle,” the patient formed a blood clot, and had to be put on the blood thinner ivaroxaban (Xarelto) to dissolve it. The need to take the drug can be temporary or permanent, depending on how the patient’s body responds.

“Estrogen treatment is an intermediate risk factor for deep vein thrombosis in otherwise healthy people,” the report concluded. “Intravenous therapy (IV) estrogen is used in the clinical setting to stop abnormal uterine bleeding, as estrogen is nature’s ‘off switch’ to prevent uterine hemorrhage,” which is why using high-dose estrogen “caused the blood clot,” the article notes.

Monica Roberts, a renowned blogger from Houston who was male and identified as a woman, was found dead outside of an apartment complex on October 6. The sudden death was a result of pulmonary embolism, which is the result of a blood clot traveling through the body to the lungs. The blogger was a founding member of the National Transgender Advocacy Coalition, and was lauded by the trans community for being the first to write about transgender homicide victims using the preferred name and gender identity, rather than the legal name and biological sex.

What this report does not analyze is that high risk of blood clots also affects female patients who de-transition from a male identity and underwent surgical removal of the ovaries prior to the de-transition. Women who identify as men frequently experience serious complications to the uterus and ovaries following long-term use of testosterone, so that removal of these portions of their internal anatomy is medically advisable. Because the ovaries produce most of the body’s estrogen, women who undergo oophorectomy and later de-transition may rely on estrogen for much of the rest of their lives to avoid such severe effects of limited estrogen as heart disease. The report does note that women who take high-dose estrogen treatments for any reason are at substantial risk of developing deadly blood clots.
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Mrs. Addams said:
But once I went out to dinner with one, who got upset and pounded on our table, and everything in my body instantly went into fight or flight mode. Something primitive in my brain absolutely viewed that person as a man with male-strength and male danger-levels when angry, and no amount of convincing is gonna change that.
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Mind telling us what caused the chimpout?
 
Mrs. Addams said:
But once I went out to dinner with one, who got upset and pounded on our table, and everything in my body instantly went into fight or flight mode. Something primitive in my brain absolutely viewed that person as a man with male-strength and male danger-levels when angry, and no amount of convincing is gonna change that
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Sounds like someone needs to go back to diversity training. You obviously don't love diversity enough, yet.
 
Mrs. Addams said:
Friend was mad at his parents for not supporting hisher transition. It was a 2-hour rant on the topic. I took a lot of notes cause I'm honestly super curious about all this.
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I wasn't supportive of a friend's transition, but before he did it. He also got mad. I asked why does he think so little of me that I would be unsupportive for any negative reason towards him. I also said that the friends cheering him on this month will be bored with it in a couple of months and they'll go back to normal. I could see him processing that idea as something he hadn't thought of. And people who don't like him will have an easy way to hurt him, by just using male pronouns. Also people who don't know him will on average be more guarded towards him.

He ended up not doing it. Good for him.
 
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NerdShamer said:
So was it just the usual talking points?

Because those would only last for around half an hour, at most.
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He also told me his entire life story. I think he was struggling to process everything he was going through.

My takeaway was that he was clearly autistic, had been bullied a lot for being a feminine kid, and is probably gay. I wish there was a healthier way to handle all that. I also think women, in general, are kinder to these guys, so they think they connect better with "other girls".
 
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Mrs. Addams said:
He also told me his entire life story. I think he was struggling to process everything he was going through.

My takeaway was that he was clearly autistic, had been bullied a lot for being a feminine kid, and is probably gay. I wish there was a healthier way to handle all that. I also think women, in general, are kinder to there guys, so they think they connect better with "other girls".
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Yeah that sounds about right. But aside from him learning how to tune certain things out or playing by his rules, there isn't much that can be done.
 
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