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IMO the way to do it is starting behind safety car, running 2 to 3 laps behind it and then going green as a rolling start. Spray has always been a problem in F1 and if it persists, add better rain lights.
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Would it help if they just break with tradition and introduce wheel covers so teams aren't having to deal with all the wake, and bonus point, wheel spray is contained somewhat. Make it spec so teams can't use it to outwash if they're worried about that.
With regards to the return of dirty air and outwash, would it help if they do it like WEC where they test your car for specific characteristics? Not to the point of BOP, but test the cars so they have a threshold for disturbing the air around them.
With regards to the return of dirty air and outwash, would it help if they do it like WEC where they test your car for specific characteristics? Not to the point of BOP, but test the cars so they have a threshold for disturbing the air around them.
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Here are a couple of news articles about this weekend, concerning weather and the tires. It is an "alternate weekend" so less tires, certain compounds to be used in each of the Q sessions (won't matter if raining) and a new wet weather tire (won't matter if they don't run until its dry or sprinkling per usual). In any event, something to read to kick off Imola GP.
Formula 1 has played around with several rules and features of a race weekend during the first five rounds of 2023, and another change will debut at the Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix.
This weekend will be the first ‘Alternative Tyre Allocation’ event. Drivers will only be allowed to use 11 sets of slick tyres rather than the usual limit of 13 at rounds that do not feature a sprint race or evaluation tyre compounds.
Each driver can use three sets of the designated hard compound, four sets of the medium and four sets of the soft. That is half the number of soft tyres available on a standard weekend, and one more set each of the hard and the medium.
Pirelli has nominated its three softest slick compounds for use at Imola, meaning the C3, C4 and C5 tyres will be available, which is one stage softer than the teams had last year.
The intermediate and wet tyre allocation remains unchanged, with four sets of the former and three of the latter for the weekend. However Pirelli is bringing a new specification of wet weather tyre this weekend, and the weather forecast indicates teams are likely to need them.
Pirelli’s motorsport director Mario Isola said the changes are “both aimed at improving the environmental sustainability of our sport.”
On top of the restriction on how many tyres can be used, drivers also have new limits on when they are allowed to use them.
At Imola we will be testing a new regulation that requires teams to use a different type of compound for each of the three sessions, with the hards fitted for Q1, the mediums for Q2, and the softs for Q3,” Isola explained.
“This means a reduction – from 13 to 11 – of the sets of dry tyres that each driver has available for the entire event, therefore decreasing the environmental impact generated by the production and transport of the tyres.”
The introduction of the new wet weather tyre this weekend is also part of a drive to reduce F1’s environmental impact.
“Starting from this grand prix a new compound of full wet tyre will be introduced which will not require the use of tyre warmers beforehand. Track tests have shown even better performance than the previous Cinturato Blue full wet, even without the electric heating of the tyre. The result of studies carried out by Pirelli, it is the first concrete step towards the use of dry tyres without preheating.”
While the new wet compound is designed to bypass the need for heated tyre warmers, before it becomes a planned regulatory requirement for 2024, teams will still be free to use them at Imola and the cool conditions that are forecast would make that the more sensible strategy. Having the softer slick compounds available in cold conditions will make tyre warm-up crucial in the dry too.
Should any of the segments of qualifying be declared wet, then the rule determining which compound has to be used is dropped and drivers are free to choose from any of the slick or grooved options.
In total each driver will have seven sets of tyres to choose from for the race, which will have to include the C3s and C4s. They will need to return one set of tyres to Pirelli after both Friday practice sessions (unless a session is wet) and then return two sets following third practice on Saturday (three sets if Friday is wet).
Should it remain dry, every driver who qualifies in the top ten is guaranteed to go into the race having tried all three slick compounds on the track. That could provide a strategic advantage, but may prompt drivers to do less running in practice to save tyres for later in the weekend – particularly with fewer sets of the soft compound than usual.
Although the Emilia-Romagna GP is Pirelli’s home race, it still has to ship in its race tyres to Italy due to its manufacturing facilities being in Romania and Turkey, which is why restricting tyre usage for Imola will lead to a reduced environmental footprint. The potential gains at further-flung races are even greater.
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The Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix is expected to go ahead despite a severe weather warning being issued ahead of the race due to the possibility of flooding.
The area has already been hit by weeks of floods and extreme conditions. Every day this week Italy’s civil defence service has issued weather alerts for the region of northern Italy which is home to the Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari.
The highest possible weather warning – a red alert – has been put out for tomorrow with “floods, landslides and instability” expected to the west and north of the town of Imola where the grand prix is held.
The heavy rain has led to warnings that rivers in the area may burst their banks. The Santerno river flows nearby the Imola track and its paddock where the Formula 1, Formula 2 and Formula 3 teams will be based.
Weather reports indicate the conditions will not worsen later in the week. F1 is committed to going ahead with its plans to race but is aware that such extreme wet weather could pose some organisational difficulties.
Last year Imola had the lowest ambient temperature and lowest track temperature of any F1 race, and it is set to be the coolest race of the 2023 season so far. The FIA’s own weather report (which will not be updated until an hour before the first practice session on Friday) anticipates the first few days in the paddock to be gusty and wet, but for conditions to be calmer by the time drivers take to the track.
Friday could be as cool as 11C but if the rain clouds move away then it could be as warm as 17C when first practice it scheduled to start at 12:30pm. There is a 40% chance of rain, however, and potentially some 20kph winds too.
Similar temperatures are expected for third practice and qualifying on Saturday. Warmer conditions are expected in the afternoon but the risk of rain during qualifying remains.
A sunny morning means the track temperature should be at its highest when it comes to the race on Sunday, and the wind will continue to ease. However that also means any rainclouds which drift in are unlikely to blow away quickly.
Pirelli explain how F1’s ‘greener’ new tyre rules will work at Imola GP
Posted on 16th May 2023, 15:59 | Written by Ida WoodFormula 1 has played around with several rules and features of a race weekend during the first five rounds of 2023, and another change will debut at the Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix.
This weekend will be the first ‘Alternative Tyre Allocation’ event. Drivers will only be allowed to use 11 sets of slick tyres rather than the usual limit of 13 at rounds that do not feature a sprint race or evaluation tyre compounds.
Each driver can use three sets of the designated hard compound, four sets of the medium and four sets of the soft. That is half the number of soft tyres available on a standard weekend, and one more set each of the hard and the medium.
Pirelli has nominated its three softest slick compounds for use at Imola, meaning the C3, C4 and C5 tyres will be available, which is one stage softer than the teams had last year.
The intermediate and wet tyre allocation remains unchanged, with four sets of the former and three of the latter for the weekend. However Pirelli is bringing a new specification of wet weather tyre this weekend, and the weather forecast indicates teams are likely to need them.
Pirelli’s motorsport director Mario Isola said the changes are “both aimed at improving the environmental sustainability of our sport.”
On top of the restriction on how many tyres can be used, drivers also have new limits on when they are allowed to use them.
At Imola we will be testing a new regulation that requires teams to use a different type of compound for each of the three sessions, with the hards fitted for Q1, the mediums for Q2, and the softs for Q3,” Isola explained.
“This means a reduction – from 13 to 11 – of the sets of dry tyres that each driver has available for the entire event, therefore decreasing the environmental impact generated by the production and transport of the tyres.”
The introduction of the new wet weather tyre this weekend is also part of a drive to reduce F1’s environmental impact.
“Starting from this grand prix a new compound of full wet tyre will be introduced which will not require the use of tyre warmers beforehand. Track tests have shown even better performance than the previous Cinturato Blue full wet, even without the electric heating of the tyre. The result of studies carried out by Pirelli, it is the first concrete step towards the use of dry tyres without preheating.”
While the new wet compound is designed to bypass the need for heated tyre warmers, before it becomes a planned regulatory requirement for 2024, teams will still be free to use them at Imola and the cool conditions that are forecast would make that the more sensible strategy. Having the softer slick compounds available in cold conditions will make tyre warm-up crucial in the dry too.
Should any of the segments of qualifying be declared wet, then the rule determining which compound has to be used is dropped and drivers are free to choose from any of the slick or grooved options.
In total each driver will have seven sets of tyres to choose from for the race, which will have to include the C3s and C4s. They will need to return one set of tyres to Pirelli after both Friday practice sessions (unless a session is wet) and then return two sets following third practice on Saturday (three sets if Friday is wet).
Should it remain dry, every driver who qualifies in the top ten is guaranteed to go into the race having tried all three slick compounds on the track. That could provide a strategic advantage, but may prompt drivers to do less running in practice to save tyres for later in the weekend – particularly with fewer sets of the soft compound than usual.
Although the Emilia-Romagna GP is Pirelli’s home race, it still has to ship in its race tyres to Italy due to its manufacturing facilities being in Romania and Turkey, which is why restricting tyre usage for Imola will lead to a reduced environmental footprint. The potential gains at further-flung races are even greater.
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Emilia-Romagna GP to go ahead despite warnings due to heavy rain this week
Posted on 16th May 2023, 13:16 | Written by Ida WoodThe Emilia-Romagna Grand Prix is expected to go ahead despite a severe weather warning being issued ahead of the race due to the possibility of flooding.
The area has already been hit by weeks of floods and extreme conditions. Every day this week Italy’s civil defence service has issued weather alerts for the region of northern Italy which is home to the Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari.
The highest possible weather warning – a red alert – has been put out for tomorrow with “floods, landslides and instability” expected to the west and north of the town of Imola where the grand prix is held.
The heavy rain has led to warnings that rivers in the area may burst their banks. The Santerno river flows nearby the Imola track and its paddock where the Formula 1, Formula 2 and Formula 3 teams will be based.
Weather reports indicate the conditions will not worsen later in the week. F1 is committed to going ahead with its plans to race but is aware that such extreme wet weather could pose some organisational difficulties.
Last year Imola had the lowest ambient temperature and lowest track temperature of any F1 race, and it is set to be the coolest race of the 2023 season so far. The FIA’s own weather report (which will not be updated until an hour before the first practice session on Friday) anticipates the first few days in the paddock to be gusty and wet, but for conditions to be calmer by the time drivers take to the track.
Friday could be as cool as 11C but if the rain clouds move away then it could be as warm as 17C when first practice it scheduled to start at 12:30pm. There is a 40% chance of rain, however, and potentially some 20kph winds too.
Similar temperatures are expected for third practice and qualifying on Saturday. Warmer conditions are expected in the afternoon but the risk of rain during qualifying remains.
A sunny morning means the track temperature should be at its highest when it comes to the race on Sunday, and the wind will continue to ease. However that also means any rainclouds which drift in are unlikely to blow away quickly.
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Situation at the Autodromo right now.
Also met the Mclareng engineering team at mcdonald's today.
asked for a picture and they pretended to not speak english and left.
Also met the Mclareng engineering team at mcdonald's today.
asked for a picture and they pretended to not speak english and left.
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Wow, that is a torrent of water man. Thanks for posting, assume you will be at the sessions this weekend? Have a blast, hope the weather isn't too bad to make it unenjoyable.
You should have said to the McL guys that they are your fav team and you wanted a pic with some of the crew who helped make the team suck more than ever! LOL
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The torrent has already broken into some parts of the track allegedly.
It seems to have calmed down as of now but the weather is predicted to get worse before it gets better.
And I didnt bother responding to the mclaren dudes because if they are eating lunch at maccas they are in dire straits.
And yes I will provide coverage for kiwifarms on the track
Montalbane
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Quick update and sorry for doubleposting
Situation is very dire
Rivers broke all over the place
We have dead and missing
Doubtful they will go on
Situation is very dire
Rivers broke all over the place
We have dead and missing
Doubtful they will go on
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I am so sorry to hear of the losses. I hope the missing are found, and quickly.
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A correct decision from the FIA, however a broken clock is right twice a day...
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Sucks no race but this is one that shouldn't proceed, unlike Spa few years ago.
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Honestly its better that they canceled it.
The track was not directly affected but the surrounding areas were.
People lost their homes
Buildings,bridges and roads are heavily damaged and in need of maintenance
And the mood is quite sour.
So having expensive bread and circuses right to where you may have lost everything is not good.
Personally we had an affluent of the sillaro break down the barriers and flood into the city.
Luckily it only damaged one car and lots of garages but no lives were lost and everyone seems in rather good spirits about it
As much as you can be in such a situation of course.
Pictured below is the car.
In any case we are fine
Sorry for the sperging and thread derailing i will go back to my routine of sneeding and coping about ferrari and hating that nigger hamilton as usual
The track was not directly affected but the surrounding areas were.
People lost their homes
Buildings,bridges and roads are heavily damaged and in need of maintenance
And the mood is quite sour.
So having expensive bread and circuses right to where you may have lost everything is not good.
Personally we had an affluent of the sillaro break down the barriers and flood into the city.
Luckily it only damaged one car and lots of garages but no lives were lost and everyone seems in rather good spirits about it
As much as you can be in such a situation of course.
Pictured below is the car.
In any case we are fine
Sorry for the sperging and thread derailing i will go back to my routine of sneeding and coping about ferrari and hating that nigger hamilton as usual
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Obviously late here, but it's very funny to me that he managed to fuck up his front wing on the first lap of his home race. I don't remember the broadcast ever showing it unfortunately.
Keeping on the topic of Sargeant, he managed to get an article in the New York Times. The whole thing seems a tad long to post in full, but I'll link an archive and two excerpts.
Although it is enormously popular in Europe, F1 struggled for decades to break into the United States. That began to change in 2016, when the sport was purchased for $4.4 billion by the Colorado-based Liberty Media, owned by the cable magnate John Malone. Liberty ramped up its social media — F1 had barely kept a YouTube page — and backed a popular Netflix documentary series, “Drive to Survive.” Once geared toward aging white men, F1 now has a younger and more diverse fan base. American TV viewership is up 220 percent from 2018, and the sport made $2.6 billion in revenue last year.
Still, a subset of F1 devotees complain about what they see as an overemphasis on entertainment and ginned-up drama. Under Liberty, they argue, pure racing is taking a back seat to cheap tricks to reel in casual viewers. And they often use a dirty word for it: Americanization. “It is becoming more and more like Formula Hollywood,” Bernie Ecclestone, the 92-year-old Briton who built F1 into a global business, griped last year. “F1 is being made more and more for the American market.”
The backlash reached a crescendo at last week’s Miami Grand Prix, which was added in 2022 as a showpiece for American fans. In a prizefight-style pre-race ceremony, the rapper LL Cool J introduced the 20 drivers one by one amid swirling smoke and a squad of cheerleaders. Nearby, Will.i.am conducted a live orchestra playing the rap song he recently recorded with Lil Wayne as part of a “global music collaboration” with Formula 1. (The lyrics rhyme “Max Verstappen,” the name of the sport’s top driver, with “your champion.”)
“Pandering to the American audience is killing @F1,” wrote one fan on Twitter, echoing criticism that bubbled up across numerous F1 websites. Even the racers complained: “None of the drivers like it,” groused Lando Norris, a Briton who drives for McLaren. Undeterred, Liberty announced that the bombastic pre-race sequence would be featured at several more grands prix this year.
Still, a subset of F1 devotees complain about what they see as an overemphasis on entertainment and ginned-up drama. Under Liberty, they argue, pure racing is taking a back seat to cheap tricks to reel in casual viewers. And they often use a dirty word for it: Americanization. “It is becoming more and more like Formula Hollywood,” Bernie Ecclestone, the 92-year-old Briton who built F1 into a global business, griped last year. “F1 is being made more and more for the American market.”
The backlash reached a crescendo at last week’s Miami Grand Prix, which was added in 2022 as a showpiece for American fans. In a prizefight-style pre-race ceremony, the rapper LL Cool J introduced the 20 drivers one by one amid swirling smoke and a squad of cheerleaders. Nearby, Will.i.am conducted a live orchestra playing the rap song he recently recorded with Lil Wayne as part of a “global music collaboration” with Formula 1. (The lyrics rhyme “Max Verstappen,” the name of the sport’s top driver, with “your champion.”)
“Pandering to the American audience is killing @F1,” wrote one fan on Twitter, echoing criticism that bubbled up across numerous F1 websites. Even the racers complained: “None of the drivers like it,” groused Lando Norris, a Briton who drives for McLaren. Undeterred, Liberty announced that the bombastic pre-race sequence would be featured at several more grands prix this year.
Liam Parker, a former adviser to Boris Johnson who now leads communications at F1, said the sport was intent on rectifying past mistakes. “We were too arrogant,” he said. “We couldn’t understand why the American fan base wasn’t falling in love with us.” But he also pushed back on the complaints that Liberty’s efforts to raise the entertainment factor had stripped F1 of something essential.
“This whole argument of ‘Americanization,’ it’s a very crude way to describe things,” he said. “We shouldn’t ignore things that can improve things for new and core fans. It’s about giving people more choices in the modern era. It’s modernization of access to everyone.”
Mr. Hamilton, arguably the biggest celebrity of the current F1 lineup, has offered his own endorsement of Liberty’s approach. “I mean jeez, I grew up listening to LL Cool J,” he told reporters in Miami. “I thought it was cool, wasn’t an issue to me.”
“This whole argument of ‘Americanization,’ it’s a very crude way to describe things,” he said. “We shouldn’t ignore things that can improve things for new and core fans. It’s about giving people more choices in the modern era. It’s modernization of access to everyone.”
Mr. Hamilton, arguably the biggest celebrity of the current F1 lineup, has offered his own endorsement of Liberty’s approach. “I mean jeez, I grew up listening to LL Cool J,” he told reporters in Miami. “I thought it was cool, wasn’t an issue to me.”
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Liberty really needs to get thru it's head that stupid gimmicks threaten the more global side of the market. One can chase the yank market as much as they want but it's not gonna give the sport the insane glut of cash it had in the 2000's.
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Their gimmicks aren’t popular in the US either. Only DTS “fans” like that sort of thing.
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F1 had turned to shit since Bernie Ecclestone cashed out and retired.
Bernie may not be well liked, but he's arguably the best thing that ever happened to F1. I'd go as far as to say he may have been the best thing that ever happened to motorsport period.