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JoseRaulChupacabra said:
Instead of relying on wacky formats to jumble the grid, how about giving the weaker teams additional engine allotments and/or DNF insurance (one DNF from engine failure doesn't count to the limit). Would that allow them to run a more aggressive mapping and actually punch above their weight class?
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Sort of related news from couple days ago re: engines:

Drivers allowed to use extra engines without penalty during 2023​

Posted on 25th April 2023, 17:13 | Written by Keith Collantine

Formula 1 teams have been told their drivers may use extra power unit parts without penalty this year.

An update to the sporting regulations has increased the number of internal combustion engines, turbochargers, MGU-Ks and MGU-Hs each driver can use during 2023 from three to four.

The revision comes after several drivers have already begun eating into their limited supplies of power unit parts three events into the 23-round championship. Following the Australian Grand Prix, both Ferrari drivers have already taken new engines, and Charles Leclerc is on his second MGU-H.

Honda RBPT-powered driver Nyck de Vries has taken a complete new power unit, as has Mercedes user Lando Norris. A second Mercedes-powered driver, George Russell, is expected to take a new power unit this weekend after the failure which put him out of the Australian Grand Prix.

Renault is the only supplier whose drivers remain on their original power units, with Alpine duo Esteban Ocon and Pierre Gasly being the only two on the grid to use Renault engine technology.

Other rules changes were agreed today by the F1 Commission and subsequently approved by an electronic vote of the World Motor Sport Council. They included revisions to F1’s sprint race format which will be used for the first time this weekend.

Teams have been told that costs related to some sustainability initiatives will be excluded from the budget cap this year, “with particular focus on environmental concerns” according to the FIA. Among the exclusions are “costs associated with installing sustainable infrastructure, auditing and monitoring of competitors’ carbon footprint, donations to charities engaged in the promotion of environmental sustainability projects and carbon offset programmes”.

The regulations have also been updated to included the revised definition of what constitutes “working on a car” which was clarified following the controversy over Fernando Alonso’s penalty at the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix, which was later rescinded.
 
With the addition of 6 new qualifying sessions (one for each sprint race) they kinda had to do something about power unit allocations.
 
Coccxys said:
Honestly I wouldn't be upset if all the back marker teams just park up after lap 1 of the sprint to reduce engine and component wear and save some money.
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Since daft ideas are seeming to be the soup de jour how about this one, sort of similar to your comment.

How about the Sprint race doesn't have the top 4 teams in points standing race at all? Let the lowly teams battle for glory and also boost their points total. And they all can use a new engine and components that only is used for the 3 sprints during the year and doesn't count towards their normal allocation.

Again its a dumb idea and top teams would never allow it, but for spectators/fans, that would make the Sprint more interesting and worthwhile at least IMO.
 
LiveFromNS said:
Since daft ideas are seeming to be the soup de jour how about this one, sort of similar to your comment.

How about the Sprint race doesn't have the top 4 teams in points standing race at all? Let the lowly teams battle for glory and also boost their points total. And they all can use a new engine and components that only is used for the 3 sprints during the year and doesn't count towards their normal allocation.

Again its a dumb idea and top teams would never allow it, but for spectators/fans, that would make the Sprint more interesting and worthwhile at least IMO.
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Just reverse grid the qualification result at this point. The problem with the sprint is that sprint race in feeder series is a way to show the racecraft of driver that only do front running and put them in unfamilliar position, it s not for the entertainement. ( Exposing Bottas legendary racecraft )

Doesn t work in F1 with the car performance difference or maybe Drs fly by is fun , i don t know .

Sprint race at Monaco for maximum bad idea, book it Liberty media.

H8 liberty media , simple as
 
Thavidu said:
Just reverse grid the qualification result at this point. The problem with the sprint is that sprint race in feeder series is a way to show the racecraft of driver that only do front running and put them in unfamilliar position, it s not for the entertainement. ( Exposing Bottas legendary racecraft )

Doesn t work in F1 with the car performance difference or maybe Drs fly by is fun , i don t know .

Sprint race at Monaco for maximum bad idea, book it Liberty media.

H8 liberty media , simple as
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Do it like a Late Model double race! Top end of the field inverts, 8, 10 or 12 car invert randomly drawn out of a hat before the second race so nobody can sandbag to get to the front. Makes as much sense as anything Liberty does.

Stock car short tracks have the simplest solutions to most racing problems.
 
Or just stick to the same weekend format that worked for the past 50 years instead of trying to do stupid gimmick shit. But I'm just a racing purist so what do I know on sports entertainment.
 
Looks like Baku is either better for Ferrari or their claim that they understand their car better seems legit. Leclerc taking pole is a nice change. And Merc seems to be looking out of their league (in comparism to the Top 3)
 
Nice, the new rules have caused the first weird "quirk" it appears:

Quirk of new rules means no Q3 for Norris and Tsunoda on Saturday​

Posted on 28th April 2023, 20:08 | Written by Keith Collantine and Claire Cottingham

Lando Norris and Yuki Tsunoda will not be able to take part in Q3 during tomorrow’s sprint race qualifying session due to a quirk of Formula 1’s new rules.

The regulations, which were approved by the FIA’s World Motorsport Council just four days before they were due to be used for the first time, place strict limits on what type of tyres drivers may use during each stage of sprint race qualifying.

In the final phase of qualifying for the sprint race, referred to in the regulations as SQ3, drivers are only allowed to use a new set of soft tyres. The rules specifically forbid the use of tyres which have already been run – article 30.5 (iv) states: “In the period SQ3 of the sprint shootout, up to one set of dry-weather tyres may be used, and this must only be a new set of the soft specification.”

Norris and Tsunoda used their entire allocation of soft tyres during Friday’s two sessions and both drivers reached Q3, taking seventh and eighth on the grid respectively. But if either driver reaches Q3 in the second qualifying session tomorrow, which decides the starting grid for the sprint race, neither will have tyres they are allowed to run on.

The pair can therefore start the sprint race no higher than ninth or 10th – a detail their teams may have taken into consideration when they chose to run their last remaining sets of soft tyres.

Pirelli’s head of motorsport Mario Isola confirmed the meaning of the rule. “If you look at the regulation you are obliged to use a new set of tyres,” he said. “Obviously it’s a new regulation and it’s probably needed to do some fine-tuning.”

F1’s official tyre supplier stated the two drivers had used all their soft tyres by the end of running on Friday.
 
so in essence if you want to conserve your car you can simply use the rules for it. Huh. Couldn't you simply not run if you have reached SQ3? Though I am not sure if P9 or P10 is an exactly desired grid position on a circuit like Baku.

On another note: de Vries needs to do some more training to reach the skill level of a F1 Champion

 
Sargeant appears to be the replacement for Latifi with him managing to absolutely dumpster his car in the first round of sprint qualifying. Williams was actually doing decent as a team as well. Seems he got distracted by the Ferraris. Oh yeah, he made it into the next round of qualifying, so its essentially only 14 in the next round.

Edit: Poor Yuki getting screwed out of his last attempt, he understandably got pissed off.

Edit 2: Hilarious that Leclerc crashed and still held pole. Very little damage overall it appears, just needs a new front wing.
 
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I think the Sprint Races are too short.

I realise they can't do a full race on two consecutive days, but if the Sprint Race was half distance, then pit stopping becomes a viable option.

If today's race was half distance, then some people would have just gone with Hard tyres and not pitted, and others could have gone with a mix of first stint medium tyres and second stint softs, with one pit stop and it might not be so clear cut, which way was faster.

As it was today, any pit stop would have made it impossible for you to win and only one tyre option made sense and that was mediums with no pit stop.
 
F2 is so much more entertaining than f1 this year. Oh and you have real talented drivers unlike when Nepo Baby Schumacher “won.” If Baku and is a parade this year then I give up hope on an entertaining season.

Anyone else find Karun annoying as fuck
 
How was Yuki tyre in the middle of the road and carbon all over the corner exit a VSC but every single incident needs a red at Australia? They really need to work on the consistency of these things.

AT fined for sending that car back out like that.

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