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Oh and Vegas is going to be a Saturday race because dat money.

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Which of course means horrible time of day for European audiences
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Sounds like they're going all in on chase the murican audience. Which they basically admit
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How many times has this been tried again?
 
The Vegas track looks awfully like something you'd see in Formula E. Also, Europeans will get a taste of how we down here feel whenever there is a race in Asia and Australia: Waking up at 3 in the morning on a Sunday. Not fun at all, unless the racing is actually compelling.

I recall Champcar raced a street circuit there in its final year. Nowhere near the Strip, though. It was in the northern part of town, whose biggest attractions were going under the railroad, and passing by Fremont Street.
 
Oh and Vegas is going to be a Saturday race because dat money.

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Which of course means horrible time of day for European audiences
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Sounds like they're going all in on chase the murican audience. Which they basically admit
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How many times has this been tried again?
I'm fine either way. That's Sunday afternoon for my timezone. Miles better than the Sunday midnight for the usual race schedules, Monday is a torture afterwards
 
I don't want to hear any boo-hooing about an early morning start time...
Las Vegas is in Nevada....Nevada is PST.
10pm pst is a 1am start time for us in the east.
Shit might as well be in Australia.

(Besides...I don't think they'll be able to pull it off. There is WAY too much shit along that proposed track and I'd love to see how they expect to close down that much of the strip for a week while they build everything.)
 
I'm fine either way. That's Sunday afternoon for my timezone. Miles better than the Sunday midnight for the usual race schedules, Monday is a torture afterwards
10PM start time in Vegas is 2AM for me! But I have watched Japan GP at that time so all good!
 
(Besides...I don't think they'll be able to pull it off. There is WAY too much shit along that proposed track and I'd love to see how they expect to close down that much of the strip for a week while they build everything.)
It's doable, and most of the properties that are right along the track are all Caesar's Entertainment owned, who will surely make bank for the weekend even if they closed down for two weeks ahead of time.
 
It's doable, and most of the properties that are right along the track are all Caesar's Entertainment owned, who will surely make bank for the weekend even if they closed down for two weeks ahead of time.

I wasn't referring to the properties themselves (those all have accessibility from the back).
I was referring to the actual strip itself. The actual road being closed is going to make for a traffic nightmare not to mention all of the construction that is going to go up on the sidewalks on either side for things like walls, fences, stands, the pit garages, broadcasting towers, etc...
There are a TON of businesses, like bars, restaurants, shops that depend on the foot-traffic along the strip that aren't associated with the casinos.
And top it off, I am hearing rumors that they are going to try to pull this off on Thanksgiving weekend? Are they smoking crack????
This is going to be a logistical nightmare.
 
I wasn't referring to the properties themselves (those all have accessibility from the back).
I was referring to the actual strip itself. The actual road being closed is going to make for a traffic nightmare not to mention all of the construction that is going to go up on the sidewalks on either side for things like walls, fences, stands, the pit garages, broadcasting towers, etc...
There are a TON of businesses, like bars, restaurants, shops that depend on the foot-traffic along the strip that aren't associated with the casinos.
And top it off, I am hearing rumors that they are going to try to pull this off on Thanksgiving weekend? Are they smoking crack????
This is going to be a logistical nightmare.
Well, Monaco seems to handle it and that has a Yacht-port with cafés and bistros where the chicane after the tunnel is.
Baku also handles this, so I guess it's a massive inconvenience, but not an insurmountable one.
 
Well, Monaco seems to handle it and that has a Yacht-port with cafés and bistros where the chicane after the tunnel is.
Baku also handles this, so I guess it's a massive inconvenience, but not an insurmountable one.

I don't think that comparison is very applicable.
Monoco has run their Grand Prix for almost 100 years and any and all new construction along that course has been built with the reality that the Grand Prix will happen.
The Vegas strip was built with one thing in mind...and racing F1 cars all around it ain't that.
 
Yeah, that's true re: Monaco and having had this happen for 100 years so it's kind of like a pop-up I suppose when F1 comes to town, unlike Vegas doing it from scratch. I was going to say Montreal before I quickly remembered its on an island and other than the track, and touristy shit, there isn't anything there to be overly impacted. I do remember coming into Montreal many years ago a week prior to the race and you could see the grandstands already up at Senna corner.

But, you all forget that when there are bags of money to be made by those that are going to make bank, nothing will impede their ability to rake in the cash! LOL So, regardless of the hassles, BS and issues with having the race in Vegas, on the strip, on a Saturday night during TGiving weekend, they aren't going to worry about those affected by this in a negative way.

How many businesses would you say would be affected by this @Diabeetus69? I ask because I was involved in some legal proceedings both in Court and through the Utility & Review Board process. Basically a new convention centre was being built pretty much in middle of downtown Halifax, and due to the construction, lots of streets were cordoned off and affected a good 15 or 20 business. Now, this project was of course a year or two in duration so it was severely impacting revenue of these small businesses, that like the Vegas ones, relied on foot traffic for sales. Restaurants, clothing stores, book stores, bars were some of the types of businesses affected. The legal proceedings were brought by those businesses seeking redress for the disruption. Ultimately, both the court proceeding and the UARB process found against them and they were not awarded compensation from the various corps involved in the constructions, nor were they successful against the provincial and municipal governments.

Again, I live in a smaller shit city so money isn't easily given and you have to fight for it. But with Vegas, I wonder if they will simply provide compensation to those businesses affected or if they will be able to somehow accommodate them and they will be able to stay open.

Not sure if you are in Vegas yourself, but if you are, be interesting to be kept apprised about the constructions of the track. Its still a year and a half away, but it would be cool to see a construction plan as to how they will go about setting up the track and the timeframe involved. Like how long before the actual race will they start doing the work? There should be something available like that at some point.

As to current F1 shit, Porsche/Audi are looking more likely to be joining F1. Would they tie up with Andretti? If not, does that mean Andretti won't be in unless he buys an existing team, or will they actually have 2 new teams in next few years? With how F1 has apparently grown in allure, much like the housing market, a team that was worth a certain amount a year ago, is going to be worth more now, and will keep increasing if F1 continues its upward trend.
 
So, I agree 100% with your assessment that if they throw enough money at something, someone will make it happen, regardless of how illogical and disruptive it is to everyone else (Last week's race in SA, this year's World Cup in Qatar, etc...).

So, if you look at the map of the proposed course that someone upthread posted, that entire stretch between turns 9 and 11 would be what one considers "the strip". All of the major casinos are "lit up" in the image, but notice all of the shadowy portions actually lining the street? Those are all shopping and mall-type areas that are accessible from the strip itself via foot or uber/cab. Alot of these malls have placed themselves within proximity of the major casinos, (cause that's where the people are) but they are not always easily accessible from the casinos.

No, I live on the East Coast, but I have been going to Vegas 2-3 times a year for the past 20 years for business and have stayed at almost every major casino on the Strip. I've had to walk from the casino I was staying at to the casino where the convention was being held 2-3 blocks away, so I have a little bit of experience with what the strip is actually like outside the casinos themselves. That's why I am so skeptical about this...

Given the fact that, unlike Monoco, Singapore, Baku, etc, where they have already worked out the logistics, Vegas is having to do this from scratch. Also, keep in mind...the Strip is not a normal city, like the aforementioned. The Strip is a goddamn circus. It's a giant playground for the really rich and the really stupid and was designed to lure both of them into those shops and casinos and bleed their wallets as quickly as possible. It's not like a normal city with normal roads and normal businesses.
Imagine someone coming up with the bright idea to build an F1 course inside Disney World. Not the hundreds of thousand of acres that make up the entirety of the complex...I'm talking about inside the fucking Magic Kingdom itself...with all the rides and concessions. The park was not designed to have cars whipping around it at 200+ mph and the amount of logistical changes that would need to be done to make it possible would be astronomical.

Vegas is no different...it's still an amusement park...Just with whores and blackjack.
 
I wasn't referring to the properties themselves (those all have accessibility from the back).
I was referring to the actual strip itself. The actual road being closed is going to make for a traffic nightmare not to mention all of the construction that is going to go up on the sidewalks on either side for things like walls, fences, stands, the pit garages, broadcasting towers, etc...
There are a TON of businesses, like bars, restaurants, shops that depend on the foot-traffic along the strip that aren't associated with the casinos.
And top it off, I am hearing rumors that they are going to try to pull this off on Thanksgiving weekend? Are they smoking crack????
This is going to be a logistical nightmare.
The road itself is already a traffic nightmare, the only people who drive down Las Vegas Bvd are tourists, advertising trucks, and people showing off their supercars. Its been a while since I've been there but I recall there being a skyway to that big mall on the east side of the strip. You might have an argument for the other foot traffic though. The women in bondage gear and people in off brand marvel costumes will have to go bother people near Circus Circus instead of the Bellagio


Thanksgiving weekend would be an awful idea. Too much football going on that weekend for the American audience.
 
"Top down" version of the track

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They're claiming 3 fast straights with a chicane section and a fast corner section.
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So basically more of the same from Saudi.

This isn't a racetrack, it's a billboard. Monaco remains on the calendar as a celebration of F1's heritage. It is a cornerstone of the sport, to the extent that the street layout has become an honorary circuit, albeit one where the best footage is transmitted through the driver's POV camera.

The Vegas circuit is designed to provide the empty spectacle of an unearned DRS overtake, on the straight, to a high-capacity crowd. It's about maximising hotel bookings and photo opportunities - a slightly motion-blurred car, with a crystal clear shot of casino signage looming in the background, that makes the race appear better than it was. I think the best that you could hope for would be three cars abreast, speeding to a corner.

The only notable outcome of what I think will be a temporary addition to the calendar, will be if Red Bull enthusiast (the drink, not the team) Russell Greer sues the city for denying him the opportunity to perform the national anthem, and then makes an exhibition of himself: "There's a man dressed in a red jacket playing a keytar on the circuit. Sky Glass customers can take advantage of a $50 bet on the outcome."
 
Well, Monaco seems to handle it and that has a Yacht-port with cafés and bistros where the chicane after the tunnel is.
Baku also handles this, so I guess it's a massive inconvenience, but not an insurmountable one.
Just to add soemthing for monacco. One or two weeks before the race actally starts there are already streets closed of to make preparations for the race (you know building the stands preparing the box and so on) Baku and Singapore are probably doing the same. Now imagine that for Las Vegas a city that basically lives from the strip. Inconvenience would be an understatement imho.
 
Been umming and ahhing about posting this for a while since it is obvious and boring.

Merc will be firing up the fist prototype for the 2026 regs in the early 2nd half of this year with the 3rd version to come sometime next year.

Remember the double fuel pump retirement for Redbull and the parc ferme exemption from Bahrain? turns out the E10 fuel damages the fuel pump over a race distance.
 
E10 fuel damages the fuel pump over a race distance.
It's an absolute embarrassment for the sport and the supplier they get to build them. It is well known which materials do and don't get along with ethanol.

The UK and quite a few European countries have had E10 as standard from pumps for a while now and before the switch there was an awareness campaign for those that would need to retrofit to handle it.

The FIA need to have a review of why the hell this has happened from a company which is trusted to be the sole supplier of the component and this is the result. The switch to E10 has been long known about and they have had ample time to design and test the part.

As someone who works as an engineer designing systems which are safety critical I can't comprehend them not know this was going to be a problem and taking appropriate precautions.
 
As to current F1 shit, Porsche/Audi are looking more likely to be joining F1. Would they tie up with Andretti? If not, does that mean Andretti won't be in unless he buys an existing team, or will they actually have 2 new teams in next few years? With how F1 has apparently grown in allure, much like the housing market, a team that was worth a certain amount a year ago, is going to be worth more now, and will keep increasing if F1 continues its upward trend.
No idea about Porsche but there's been a bunch of rumors that Audi is going to buy Mclaren.
 
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