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This bullshit reasoning right here. "Oh the collisions wouldn't have happened if Hamilton left space but Vestappen shouldn't have been trying to overtake him". Fuck off.

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Just like last season's bullshit Monza penalty for Hamilton refusing to leave space.
 
Balr0g said:
Ferrari's issues began with the summer break. I read in motorsport magazins that Ferrari had an ingenious floor solution that while making the car bounce also gave the car the bite to take corners. The FIA
's demanded changes after summer to keep bouncing to a minimum apparently hurt Ferrari the most as now they suddenly developed tyre wear where they had none before.

Funny thing about Mercedes is that Shovlin their lead engineer said a few weeks ago that they will develop a new concept for 2023. Imagine that: you have a concept that now seems to work and then you begin basically from scratch. Though that might also be because of the changes the FIA brings for 2023.

Anyway glad that Russell won this he might be the one to push Hamilton into retirement. And who would have guessed that after the 1.st SC Leclerc would get on par with Perez. At least Ferrari's stops this time were really good unlike Merc who seem to work under "safe but slow"
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The TD basically destroyed Ferrari's performance overnight. They went from having the clear best car, to still the best car pre-summer break but with Max to ruin the fun, to 3rd best car by the end of the season.

I know physical contact is sometimes kino, but is anyone else, I don't know, frustrated over how tough these new cars are? Unless they get stuck or the airbox/side pods get destroyed, you're still good to go. We could have had a really interesting podium if LEC, VER and HAM caused terminal damage to one another. We could have been looking at a Russell win, with the two Spaniards occupying 2nd and 3rd.

At the same time, we might not have seen Alonso's incredible recovery after getting Strolled, so I don't know.

And as for Hamilton's DOTD, it is firmly a popularity contest. I thoroughly expect all the relevant rags to shower him in 9.5s and 10s despite being unable to beat Russell.
 
Also, these SCs are getting fucking stupid. Removing one broken down, fully intact car off the racing line should not have taken anywhere near 6 laps. In the '90s, you might have got local yellows preventing overtaking, but that's it.

Again, for some reason, Mick just seems to lose all of his first stint pace once he stops. I thought for sure with the attrition we'd be looking at a potential P7/8, and yet he finished 12th.
 
Becky McDonald said:
Also, these SCs are getting fucking stupid. Removing one broken down, fully intact car off the racing line should not have taken anywhere near 6 laps. In the '90s, you might have got local yellows preventing overtaking, but that's it.
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They seemed particularly useless at that corner for both incident. Why it took a VSC then multiple SC laps to move a car that was already aimed right at the escape road god knows.
 
Well played Russell, gave Merc their deserved seasonal win, and made dear followers of Prophet Al-Hamil seethe even more because he can't win in equal machinery.

Haas just Haased it again, extremely unsurprising. AT scored no points though so that's some lucky damage limitation.

Disappointing team antics from Verstappen, I think everybody can agree on that fact. Both championships are wrapped up already - what is he even defending Perez so hard for? He even has the record for most points in a season already!
 
Ricciardo 3 place grid penalty for next race after he was judges wholey at fault for the Magnussen hit.

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Alfa have been given a €1000 fine for one of their team being in the pit lane working area when they weren't pitting one of their cars but obstructed Mick coming in for his.

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Here's the video

 
Verstappen had a bad race and he took his frustrations out on his team mate, for next to no gain.

I can understand Leclerc's call for team orders, after all, Sainz Jr did the same thing to him earlier in the season and Ferrari acquiesced. All the same, he must understand how pathetic he sounds over the radio. People have unsuccessfully begged for sex and walked away with more dignity. I having a feeling that Sainz is better liked within the team.

Russell had to earn his win. He was put on the spot by his team and even then Lewis had no answer.

Alonso's Indian Summer continues to entertain.
 
Poor form from Max, acting like his father. The amount of times Checo has helped Max, only to have the dirt kicked in his face.
 
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I think we all knew Max was never going to give up track position with a smile on his face, sure, but that radio interaction was horrendous. For fucks sake, just hold your tongue and save it for the internal debrief. And for P6? Least he can say he made his dad proud.
 
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Great photo of the RIC-MAG collision:
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Yep, a perfect summation of McLaren's race yesterday... C'mon guys, get your shit together. 4th in the championship is lost to Alpine. I felt for Norris when he was just sitting despondent on the barrier, struggling with food poisoning for nothing.

I know people like Danny Ric, but the guy has lost it. He still shows the occasional bit of great driving, but he makes too many mistakes and is overall off the pace. The season was two Alpines vs one McLaren, and the car is not that great either, possibly in part due to having two drivers with such different results and feedback. I understand the reticence with letting go of Ric, but at this point it's obvious he was the team's biggest liability during the season, when they themselves aren't doing so great.

As for Max and Checo, I have no words. I can't understand what goes through Max's mind after all that's happened the last 2 years. Honestly, if I was Horner I'd start to get really worried about Max's behavior in the future if this is anything to go by.

And Leclerc's bitching at the end of the race was also pathetic. I already had trouble seeing him as a future WDC with the mistakes he tends to make under pressure. But to hear him whine like that after Carlos' race...

Happy for Russel, I half expected Merc to fuck him over for Blowis, but in the end they did the right thing. Must've been Toto's absence.

But like others I'm growing tired of the behavior of some of these young drivers. It's one thing to make the occasional remark, it's another to be constantly bitchy and whiny.
 
ghostly roasted said:
just hold your tongue and save it for the internal debrief. And for P6?
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If it was for a podium it'd be a different matter, but causing such a PR shitstorm for a garbage position, especially when you've already won the championship is just so incredibly short sighted.

Quiritium said:
But like others I'm growing tired of the behavior of some of these young drivers.
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I think it's because they're so young. They get hoisted through the ranks with little competition, it's no surprise they might crack when they actually have to work for it.
 
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Quiritium said:
I know people like Danny Ric, but the guy has lost it. He still shows the occasional bit of great driving, but he makes too many mistakes and is overall off the pace.
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I like Ricciardo as a personality. It is obvious to anyone, besides himself, that he has been broken by the machinations of F1, and that his cynicism has permeated into his driving. He would potentially be rejuvenated in a different series. The fact that he entertains the notion of a return to F1, after a fallow 2023, is delusional and borders on self-harm. He has passed his peak. The stars didn't quite align for him. The river has moved on, etc. It's a story as old as the sport.

Quiritium said:
Happy for Russel, I half expected Merc to fuck him over for Blowis, but in the end they did the right thing. Must've been Toto's absence.
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I can't help but suspect that, if the positions of the two Mercedes drivers had been reversed, and Lewis had asked whether they were racing, he would have been told "No, hold position."

They put Russell in a position where he had to fight him off, and he did a bloody job of it too.

The 'mad gainz' exhibited the Mercedes team of late are promising for 2023. I haven't been paying full attention and so don't really understand how they've done it. Did Toto repeatedly kick one of the cars until the aerodynamic issues resolved themselves?

The problem Hamilton has now in terms of fighting for an eighth world championship is the man in the other car. The team could wipe the floor with Ferrari and Red Bull (who will be hobbled by FIA sanctions) and it still might not be enough. Mercedes might be in a position in 2023 where they have to get behind a driver early on. Do they chase the record books or build-up the mercurial rookie? Russell's contract with Mercedes winds-up in 2024, so there are potential consequences if they alienate him.
 
Sorry but Russell is not my race winner. :dislike:

The fact is that Yuki Tsunoda wasn't let to unlap himself that the result is forever tainted thanks to the AD21 case and GR63 will always be knows as an #HumanErrorRaceWinner.

Weird Mercedes didn't bitch about this mistake by the race control, surprise even.
 
An entertaining race considering titles not on the line.

And the few things I have seen say Max paid him back for Monaco Qualifying. Also read remark that Checo admitted to Horner & Marko he crashed on purpose. Whether that is true or not I don't know and didn't check further.

And make no mistake that the 2 going for 2nd in WDC and crying for the extra points are not doing it so they can be first loser, but I think these contracts probably have tiered bonuses on where they place in the standings. I might be wrong, but I don't think these racing drivers care about much except winning. Either way funny and sad to hear that.
 
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