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It’s a subscription fee for online play. There are added ‘perks’ but the point of the subscription is primarily their online content.
Getting to rent things forever is a "perk"? Getting to rent game "upgrades" which go away when you don't pay your rent is a "perk"? Having to pay just to get the opportunity to buy an overpriced classic controller is a "perk"?

Damn, goytendo loves people like you. Pay up boy, you pay for those two internets.
 
Getting to rent things forever is a "perk"? Getting to rent game "upgrades" which go away when you don't pay your rent is a "perk"? Having to pay just to get the opportunity to buy an overpriced classic controller is a "perk"?

Damn, goytendo loves people like you. Pay up boy, you pay for those two internets.
I’m just saying that they didn’t announce POR because they don’t see it as a revenue draw in the US and the service is primarily to recover cost for hosting their online multiplayer content. Not sure why you’re trying to make this into some kind of argument. You’re welcome to bitch about SAAS in the Nintendo Switch thread or Louis Rossman thread or whatever. It’s not really relevant here.
 
It’s not really relevant here.
This is the FE thread, how FE has been monetized is absolutely relevant.

Engage had a gacha mechanic built into it as a core gameplay mechanic. While you couldn't pay to game it, it is still the introduction of the highly-monetized and highly-predatory practices of the phone game into mainline FE. This is on the building on 3H's season pass and Fates being cut into different versions like a Pokemon game (albeit those version offered more than every single Pokemon version does), with FE having been the tip of the spear of dlc and other monetization in Nintendo as a whole.

Old FE games, which are notoriously difficult to own officially nowadays, and the title that has the largest cult following in the fanbase being a JP-only release, getting released digitally as subscriptions instead of something you can own is not good for the series health. It is only going to increase reliance on emulation.
 
This is the FE thread, how FE has been monetized is absolutely relevant.

Engage had a gacha mechanic built into it as a core gameplay mechanic. While you couldn't pay to game it, it is still the introduction of the highly-monetized and highly-predatory practices of the phone game into mainline FE. This is on the building on 3H's season pass and Fates being cut into different versions like a Pokemon game (albeit those version offered more than every single Pokemon version does), with FE having been the tip of the spear of dlc and other monetization in Nintendo as a whole.

Old FE games, which are notoriously difficult to own officially nowadays, and the title that has the largest cult following in the fanbase being a JP-only release, getting released digitally as subscriptions instead of something you can own is not good for the series health. It is only going to increase reliance on emulation.
Three Houses was JP-only? Because that is the best-selling game. Not sure what JP-only game you’re referring to.

I don’t think POR being part of Nintendo Online is either good or bad for the series. Nintendo did a physical release for the NES, SNES, N64 Classics, there’s no indication we’ll never get a GC Classic. Even if we don’t, or if it doesn’t get POR or whatever, Nintendo games are well preserved. There’s no indication that we’re going to lose access to emulating these titles.

Old games really have very little impact on the market. They just don’t move money like new games do. Companies have very little incentive in keeping these games in print. We’re better off advocating for copyright reform rather than hope companies keep selling old games forever (they won’t).
 
I thought "largest cult following" and it being a JP-only release would be pretty good indicators that I'm referring to Genealogy.
Maybe for the boomers over at Serenes Forest but most of the fanbase have moved on. It wasn’t even the most popular game in Japan in its heyday. But I can tell you with confidence that Nintendo will never remake it or even give it much lipservice outside of some token nods and cameos. Nobody who worked on that game even works for IS anymore. Nintendo doesn’t like acknowledging Kaga’s existence. And It didn’t have the cultural impact that FE1–3 did (those games had a tremendous, lasting cultural influence in Japan). Add in the politically incorrect story elements and you have a game that will forever be locked in a vault. It’s ancient history as far as Nintendo’s concerned.
 
Fe4-5 have a big cult following but most casuals don't bother with them due to the necessity of fussing with patches and learning all the specifics. However, they are the beginning of "skills" so there's a draw for the specific kinda casual that enjoys that aspect.
 
Fe4-5 have a big cult following but most casuals don't bother with them due to the necessity of fussing with patches and learning all the specifics. However, they are the beginning of "skills" so there's a draw for the specific kinda casual that enjoys that aspect.
Sigh … I am still not over them fucking over playable Saias TWICE.
They could’ve made it like this: “Which one do you want? The Priest with 100 stars to have the insane boost for everyone? Or this motherfucking beast who eats late game enemies like breakfast?”
But no, they gave us zero reason to choose Saias because he got nerfed to 3 stars THEN 2 stars.
I know it’s Kaga, but come on!
 
Do you not know what cult following means?
You said ‘largest cult following’ as if FE4 is the MM or FF6 of the series and maybe that was true in like 2007 but I don’t think that’s really the case anymore. As far as JP-only games I wouldn’t be surprised if New Mystery or Binding Blade get more attention now and that’s only looking at the English-speaking audience. Japan has a different view about the highlights of the series.
 
You said ‘largest cult following’ as if FE4 is the MM or FF6 of the series and maybe that was true in like 2007 but I don’t think that’s really the case anymore. As far as JP-only games I wouldn’t be surprised if New Mystery or Binding Blade get more attention now and that’s only looking at the English-speaking audience. Japan has a different view about the highlights of the series.
If we're talking about the JP fanbase, FE4 has repeatedly topped New Mystery and Binding Blade in twitter and Famitsu surveys.

If we're talking about the western fanbase, post-Awakening FE4 exploded in popularity because it was a shibboleth that could filter newbies/tourists.

Genealogy has always had a strong cult following on both sides of the pacific and I think it's safe to say it's still the case.
 
If we're talking about the JP fanbase, FE4 has repeatedly topped New Mystery and Binding Blade in twitter and Famitsu surveys.

If we're talking about the western fanbase, post-Awakening FE4 exploded in popularity because it was a shibboleth that could filter newbies/tourists.

Genealogy has always had a strong cult following on both sides of the pacific and I think it's safe to say it's still the case.
Yes it’s strong but it’s not the ‘largest’ and it isn’t strong enough to get Nintendo to release it let alone translate it, remake it, whatever for the issues I said.

Shadow Dragon? Flop. Shadows of Valentia? Flop. Anglicization of FE1? Flop. Everything Nintendo does for old FE, regardless of how high quality the product is, ends up flopping. New games make more money. Hell the ‘bad’ Engage sold better than Shadows of Valentia did. People love to say that a company will make ‘so much money’ if they rerelease their libraries but that doesn’t happen in practice. Even stuff like the NES Mini was a fluke. Sega, Konami, Atari all released their own versions and they had very little impact in comparison. It’s why copyright should just expire after fourteen years. There’s not much money after that time anyway, at least for games.
 
Prove it.

That's partly because people want something that's on a console than on a handheld.
SOV was the worst selling game since Awakening. There was never any indication it was profitable. It may have been, but we have no idea. It was given way too big of a budget and marketing push for its sales, IMO. Given we never got another remake, Nintendo probably wrote it off as a failed experiment.
 
Yes it’s strong but it’s not the ‘largest’
According to said Famitsu survey it literally is since it beat out Awakening and Three Houses.

Now, anyone can intuit that Genealogy isn't actually more popular than Awakening and Three Houses in terms of mass consumption, but pretending that it hasn't had a Melee-level following in the dedicated FE fandom at large and the Japanese fandom in particular is ridiculous.

No one would have thought IS would have remade Gaiden. It was rightfully considered the black sheep of the series and had no following. IS still did it and Echoes wound up being beloved by most of the people who played it. If they're willing to do that I have every reason to believe it's possible they'll remake FE4 someday. Whether that will be good is another matter entirely.
Shadows of Valentia? Flop.
Again, prove it. Saying there was never any indication it was profitable (without any proof of that) as proof of it being a flop is disingenuous - where is the indication it was a flop? Did it not sell as good as Awakening? Absolutely, it was released at the dead end of the 3DS's life cycle, post-Switch launch, and was announced in the same Nintendo Direct as Three Houses. IS and Nintendo knew it wasn't going to sell as well as Awakening or Fates which is why they didn't give it a comparable marketing campaign, but that's hardly proof it didn't turn a profit.
Hell the ‘bad’ Engage sold better than Shadows of Valentia did.
The game released on the third-best selling console in history in the middle of its life-cycle with a massive marketing campaign sold better than the game released without any of that, how could this have happened? :stress:
 
Well you can keep trying to justify that SOV was enough of a success for Nintendo but that’s just one out of many ‘retro’ FE failures. You’re welcome to hold your breath for an official FE4 rerelease in any form but my bet is on it never happening.
 
Well you can keep trying to justify that SOV was enough of a success for Nintendo
I'm not justifying that SOV was enough of a success for Nintendo, I'm saying it would have never been made by your own logic and yet it still was.
but that’s just one out of many ‘retro’ FE failures
Again, you're just saying it was a failure, not actually showing any way it was. 'It didn't sell as good as Awakening' - it still sold over a million copies and topped sales charts. You know what game also didn't sell as good as Awakening? Engage - 1.6 million, compared to Awakening's 2.3 mil and 3H's 4 mil (not even impressive compared to SoV given the advantages it enjoyed) and you're not referring to it as a failure or a flop.
 
I'm not justifying that SOV was enough of a success for Nintendo, I'm saying it would have never been made by your own logic and yet it still was.

Again, you're just saying it was a failure, not actually showing any way it was. 'It didn't sell as good as Awakening' - it still sold over a million copies and topped sales charts. You know what game also didn't sell as good as Awakening? Engage - 1.6 million, compared to Awakening's 2.3 mil and 3H's 4 mil (not even impressive compared to SoV given the advantages it enjoyed) and you're not referring to it as a failure or a flop.
Because Engage isn’t the subject. Why would I talk about Engage when the subject is an official release/remake of FE4? I just used it as a comparison for sales numbers, not a benchmark. Do I ever say whether or not Engage is a failure?

At the time of SOV with the info we had, FE2 getting remade made a lot of sense. It’s part of the FE1–3 saga which is a marketing cornerstone for the series. There are tons of references to it in New Mystery and Awakening. And Nintendo had not tried a remake since Awakening’s success and all the new fans that came to the series. They had plenty of money from Heroes. It was a reasonable risk to take that didn’t play out. You pretending my view on FE2 back then is the same as releasing/remaking FE4 now is retarded.
 
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