Debate Death Penalty

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Smar Mijou said:
In this case, why are the family the final arbiters of whether the execution is carried out? The guy was initially found guilty by a jury of his peers, and sentenced over 2 decades ago now. Do the "people" who decided his fate not have a say? Or if it's disregarded, then we have precedent to disregard every other jury outcome because of the victim's feelings. Do you really want that to be the law of the land? In the 25+ years since he MURDERED A WOMAN BY STABBING HER OVER 40 TIMES UNTIL SHE DIED, undoubtedly some of her other family members have since passed away. What about what their feelings were at the time that this Nig did a nogging?
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He doesn't care. His position is entirely self-serving. Its not about doing the right thing, its about being seen having the right opinions. Hence his holier-than-thou attitude.
 
Smar Mijou said:
Are you willing to stick up and defend a convicted violent murderer and advocate personally for their release? Would you accept the burden if they were to go out and severely injure someone or kill again?
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Again, 25 years in jail is a punishment. There are killers who get parole after that. The victims family wanted him to have life without possibility for parole. Considering they are the ones who deserve justice they should have a say. Ideally in a perfect world, the people who would be making the decision if he is fit would be qualified medical professionals who could evaluate his record and decide if he is likely to reoffend or if he is capable of resocializing without incident. Schmucks like you or me shouldn't be making that call. Killers aren't a special breed. They go through a thought process (or lackthereof) to do what they do. That thought process can be corrected in some cases. As for if I would stick up for this particular guy myself? Well, he is dead now, mate. No point in it even if I were to do the research, go through the files, do the interviews and find out that he has calmed down and repented after 26 years in a small metal cell. Not something I would take lightly either. Not as lightly as I'm taking this debate, at least.

In this case, why are the family the final arbiters of whether the execution is carried out? The guy was initially found guilty by a jury of his peers, and sentenced over 2 decades ago now. Do the "people" who decided his fate not have a say? Or if it's disregarded, then we have precedent to disregard every other jury outcome because of the victim's feelings. Do you really want that to be the law of the land? In the 25+ years since he MURDERED A WOMAN BY STABBING HER OVER 40 TIMES UNTIL SHE DIED, undoubtedly some of her other family members have since passed away. What about what their feelings were at the time that this Nig did a nogging?
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The people who decided his fate? What, the Judge who sentenced him? Nah, I'm not sure he has more a stake in this than the family. As for dead relatives, well, at that point you might as well call up some youtube ghost hunters and ask the victim themselves. Since that is unreliable, we kind of would have to defer to the judgment of those most effected by the tragedy. They just want him to stay in jail alive without possibility of parole.

The best and greatest said:
He doesn't care. His position is entirely self-serving. Its not about doing the right thing, its about being seen having the right opinions. Hence his holier-than-thou attitude.
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Explain to me in what world it makes sense to virtue signal in Thunderdome. I didn't walk into this thread trying to be HHH but seeing the angry ass replies at just suggesting not killing a guy I kinda get why he does it.
 
I will note that the faggot's 'killing is killing' stance is identical to many gun control fags and how they perpetually conflate legitimate defensive gun use with Shitavious opening fire on someone because they 'dissed' him.
 
Happy Fish said:
I'm not arguing that killing is never necessary and I'm definitely not arguing that only cops should do it, retard.
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Feeling a little defensive because you look like an idiot with your moral equivalency?

The irony is that you could've made a MUCH better argument against capital punishment by pointing how stupid, inept, and crooked government is these days, and 99 percent of the posters here would agree with you.

Too bad you're too stupid to pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
 
Funny, the faggot isn't posting in that thread about the Alabama execution. Probably because that guy was white.
 
Capsaicin Addict said:
Feeling a little defensive because you look like an idiot with your moral equivalency?
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I literally refuted your point you absolute subhuman.
Capsaicin Addict said:
Funny, the faggot isn't posting in that thread about the Alabama execution. Probably because that guy was white.
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So you aren't just retarded, you are also blind. Besides, no intention of dedicating my life to this debate every fucking thread it pops up.
 
Happy Fish said:
I literally refuted your point you absolute subhuman.
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You obviously empathize with violent, anti-social, monstrous 'people' and argue they should be pampered and cared for their entire lives as a reward for murdering, raping, and brutalizing honest, productive citizens. I have to wonder why anyone would put the lives and experiences of such loathsome creatures above the lives and happiness of good, moral people. Then, I realized what must be true about you.

You empathize with them because you are a subhuman piece of filth, from which whose death the world and society would draw benefit.
 
John.Doe said:
You obviously empathize with violent, anti-social, monstrous 'people' and argue they should be pampered and cared for their entire lives as a reward for murdering, raping, and brutalizing honest, productive citizens. I have to wonder why anyone would put the lives and experiences of such loathsome creatures above the lives and happiness of good, moral people. Then, I realized what must be true about you.

You empathize with them because you are a subhuman piece of filth, from which whose death the world and society would draw benefit.
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Says the furry. I'd say wishing death on people who disagree with you on the internet makes you far more like the killer. Exactly like him, in fact.
 
Well Intentioned said:
I'm for the death penalty for the truly horrible members of society. The Paul Bernardos, Dennis Raders, Israel Keyes' and Taylor Swifts. But only when it is blatantly clear that they are guilty of their crimes and there is a preponderance of evidence.
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Thing about the death penalty is that, even in states where it is really "popular" so to speak, like Alabama, it's not like people are catching the death penalty left and right. At most, a handful of people get that sentence every year in each state, but on average it is probably less. And if you look at who is getting capital punishment, it is the most heinous of offenders, like you said. Hell, statistically speaking the majority of the most heinous offenders don't end up getting the death penalty because they plea out or the judge decides on like 60 years or life for whatever reason.

One of the most recent additions to Alabama's death row is Jeremy Williams. He raped and murdered a 5 year old girl who was being pimped by her white trash mother and left her body in an abandoned house. Did I mention that he also filmed this? Williams has a long criminal history and is also suspected in the death of another infant in Alaska. Whether this mongoloid is capable of reform or not, does anyone think he should have the chance to? When Alabama pumps him full of happy gas, hopefully sooner rather than later, absolutely nothing of any value will have been lost.
Happy Fish said:
Says the furry.
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Once you resort to ragging on people's appearances, likes, dislikes, etc., you know the things that have absolutely nothing to do with the debate at hand, that's how you know you've lost an argument. Congratulations!

And yeah why aren't you whining about "killing is killing" in the Alan Miller thread? Is it because he's an obese white guy who has no family of his victims advocating for his life (because he's white)?
 
Mourning_Cloak said:
Thing about the death penalty is that, even in states where it is really "popular" so to speak, like Alabama, it's not like people are catching the death penalty left and right. At most, a handful of people get that sentence every year in each state, but on average it is probably less. And if you look at who is getting capital punishment, it is the most heinous of offenders, like you said. Hell, statistically speaking the majority of the most heinous offenders don't end up getting the death penalty because they plea out or the judge decides on like 60 years or life for whatever reason.

One of the most recent additions to Alabama's death row is Jeremy Williams. He raped and murdered a 5 year old girl who was being pimped by her white trash mother and left her body in an abandoned house. Did I mention that he also filmed this? Williams has a long criminal history and is also suspected in the death of another infant in Alaska. Whether this mongoloid is capable of reform or not, does anyone think he should have the chance to? When Alabama pumps him full of happy gas, hopefully sooner rather than later, absolutely nothing of any value will have been lost.

Once you resort to ragging on people's appearances, likes, dislikes, etc., you know the things that have absolutely nothing to do with the debate at hand, that's how you know you've lost an argument. Congratulations!

And yeah why aren't you whining about "killing is killing" in the Alan Miller thread? Is it because he's an obese white guy who has no family of his victims advocating for his life (because he's white)?
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Pretty sure the furry lost the argument when he started wishing death on a someone having a philosophical debate with him on the internet. As for the rest of your bullshit, arguing with a few bloodthirsty retards and their socks about this in one thread is plenty. I'm not trying to save every killer and pervert from death row.

I do believe in system reform, mercy, and rehabilitation. Rehabilitation is difficult, especially in the face of people who only want punishment. Sure I could argue how the system itself is incompetent. We all know that. But if we can't even respect a family's wishes who wants to show mercy any to a killer, what is the point in reforming anything else? That is some basic-ass shit. Family desires to show mercy. It should be in their power to choose.
 
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Happy Fish said:
Given the arguments I've been getting, I think it really might be.
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If you say so.

Happy Fish said:
If I wasn't prepared I would have left the thread at the first retard who tried to shout me down.
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You're acting really surprised/angry when people are doing it, though. I tend to be more left-leaning than your average poster on this site and I don't really give a shit if people give me stickers because I'm ideologically opposed to them or whatever. Shit happens.

You're acting like you're giving a sermon on the Mount or something and expecting everyone to treat it like gospel.

Happy Fish said:
As for the Catholic Church you might as well ask me about the CIA and the Finders. Big powerful institution that has done good things and horrific things that I have no control over either way.
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This was a joke referencing another notorious spaz in this subforum.
 
Well Intentioned said:
You're acting really surprised/angry when people are doing it, though. I tend to be more left-leaning than your average poster on this site and I don't really give a shit if people give me stickers because I'm ideologically opposed to them or whatever. Shit happens. You're acting like you're giving a sermon on the Mount or something and expecting everyone to treat it like gospel.
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If you're expecting me to suck dick while people talk trash, you are going to be disappointed. I am confident in my stance and I am glad it comes across.
 
TexasRanger said:
Murder is terrible and warrants the same sentence-life in prison.
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Murder (a.k.a. taking a life with malice and intent) and life aren't exactly the same thing. In situations like this, once the appeals are exhausted, I'm all for "an eye for an eye" style of justice. None of the legal system manipulation that is a constant pain in the ass. That will throw out a huge case just because some fucking idiot screwed up a bit of paperwork somewhere down the line and an especially fastidious (((lawyer))) happened to find it.
Happy Fish said:
Again, 25 years in jail is a punishment. There are killers who get parole after that. The victims family wanted him to have life without possibility for parole. Considering they are the ones who deserve justice they should have a say. Ideally in a perfect world, the people who would be making the decision if he is fit would be qualified medical professionals who could evaluate his record and decide if he is likely to reoffend or if he is capable of resocializing without incident. Schmucks like you or me shouldn't be making that call. Killers aren't a special breed. They go through a thought process (or lackthereof) to do what they do. That thought process can be corrected in some cases. As for if I would stick up for this particular guy myself? Well, he is dead now, mate. No point in it even if I were to do the research, go through the files, do the interviews and find out that he has calmed down and repented after 26 years in a small metal cell. Not something I would take lightly either. Not as lightly as I'm taking this debate, at least.

The people who decided his fate? What, the Judge who sentenced him? Nah, I'm not sure he has more a stake in this than the family. As for dead relatives, well, at that point you might as well call up some youtube ghost hunters and ask the victim themselves. Since that is unreliable, we kind of would have to defer to the judgment of those most effected by the tragedy. They just want him to stay in jail alive without possibility of parole.
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Holy shit, you really are a special breed of side-stepping retard, aren't you? Obviously this waste of flesh is now dead, and justifiably so. For someone saying that they're not qualified to make the call on whether he was fit to rejoin society or not, you sure seem pretty worked up about the whole situation and people who disagree with you. So answer my previous question. What about Sheldon Johnson?
Happy Fish said:
do believe in system reform, mercy, and rehabilitation. Rehabilitation is difficult, especially in the face of people who only want punishment. Sure I could argue how the system itself is incompetent. We all know that. But if we can't even respect a family's wishes who wants to show mercy any to a killer, what is the point in reforming anything else? That is some basic-ass shit. Family desires to show mercy. It should be in their power to choose.
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What sort of mercy did Marcellus Williams show to Felicia Gayle when he murdered her? What mercy did he show the prison guard when he violently attacked him in an attempt to escape where he was already serving 20+ years for armed robbery in another violent case? Why do you think this nigger is more deserving of sympathy or mercy than he ever showed anyone else in his lifetime?
 
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