Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

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That and the states cutting up Japanese shows has always been a thing. Saban Entertainment built their image on localizing Japanese tokusatsu shows by having a western cast. Power Rangers became a billion dollar IP that's existed for decades because of this. It made both Saban and Bandai a lot of money. Currently the Toy License is owned by Hasbro who also owns another Japanese show that had it's oiriginal incarnation torn up and remade, that would be Transformers which was called Diaclone.
And robotech has been a plague on the industry and associated industries and took Macross from going toe-to-toe with Gundam for top franchise into a footnote that got kicked from collab games like super robot wars because the western side fucked everything up so much. Strange how you didnt mention that one

Also SEGA specifically credited Yakuza's worldwide success to NOT trying to appeal to the west and making japanese as fuck games, stop trying to conflate worldwide sales with changing things to appeal to the west
 
And robotech has been a plague on the industry and associated industries and took Macross from going toe-to-toe with Gundam for top franchise into a footnote that got kicked from collab games like super robot wars because the western side fucked everything up so much. Strange how you didnt mention that one

Also SEGA specifically credited Yakuza's worldwide success to NOT trying to appeal to the west and making japanese as fuck games, stop trying to conflate worldwide sales with changing things to appeal to the west
Robotech's thing got resolved actually, mostly in due part to Sony since it was in their best interest to bring both parties to the table. But for every robotech you had a Power Rangers, a Transformers, a Voltron, and well many others. You have Instances where the cut up Dub version is more popular than the original like with Samurai Pizza Cats. Also(and this was especially the case with stuff like the numerous attempts at Gatchaman) the western teams usually had full legal authority to edit and alter the episodes. This was usually written into the contract that both parties agreed upon.

I think people are conflating two things though. Appealing to the west does not automatically mean something like full Americanization(it can, but these days it usually doesn't). Take a look at shit like K-Pop. That's not traditional korean music, it's typical western style music sung in Korean. It's not something that's completely foreign, but it's going to be westerners who are going to drop most of the money on it because it's just foreign enough for their lifestyle. Crunchyroll is primarily dominated by Western countries and simulcasts kind of became a thing because of this. As of current Crunchyroll has a monopoly on anime streaming. Anime is for most of it is typical western storytelling. It does not deviate from things like the 7 great conflicts. Since you brought up Yakuza, strictly speaking from the story perspective, having an Outlaw with a code of morals who runs with a band of eccentric individuals is a concept that's centuries old in the west. I mean the most well known example would be Robin Hood.

The popularity of anime could pretty much be directly linked to the rise of multiculturalism mentalities in the west. It's pretty safe to say that anime and any general adjacent media relating to it is fairly mainstream at this point. Pokemon is a billion dollar franchise in itself.
 
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Since you brought up Yakuza, strictly speaking from the story perspective, having an Outlaw with a code of morals who runs with a band of eccentric individuals is a concept that's centuries old in the west. I mean the most well known example would be Robin Hood.
It's older than that, it goes all the way back to the Toei anime adaption of Jesus Christ, approx. 3300 years before Robin Hood.
 
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Also SEGA specifically credited Yakuza's worldwide success to NOT trying to appeal to the west and making japanese as fuck games, stop trying to conflate worldwide sales with changing things to appeal to the west
It also takes a special kind of retardation to not be aware that said artists/creators do their own thing by the influence of their own culture (daily life, morals, religion, history, etc.) regardless of possible references of foreign works/art.

Again, the primary audience for japanese videogames/manga/etc are still the Japanese themselves. Them being eventually popular in Europe (France, Italy, Germany in particular) and North America don't change that fact. And I'd argue the current state of western games & comics in the last ten years (no thanks to social media and woke mentality) also made things much easier for the japanese counterparts to dominate more globally.
 
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Again, the primary audience for japanese videogames/manga/etc are still the Japanese themselves. Them being eventually popular in Europe (France, Italy, Germany in particular) and North America don't change that fact. And I'd argue the current state of western games & comics in the last ten years (no thanks to social media and woke mentality) also made things much easier for the japanese counterparts to dominate more globally.
Or they don't design for the Japanese audience at all because the audience for specific genres is the same around the globe.


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The woke mentality and social media played very little in the current state of things and they're honestly a side effect, it more had to do with monopolies and buyouts. There used to be a large variety of media companies but now they're all owned by a small handful of umbrellas. Take for example Western RPGs, all the big series are either owned by EA, Microsoft, or Ubisoft. But long term it's not going to stay that way. companies sell shit off all the time. Companies despite how large they are have finite resources and can't invest in every IP they own, it's sometimes more profitable to just clear things out. Companies like Embracer exist to look for IP deals they can get their hands on that other companies are offloading and even have expanded into board games.
 
Or they don't design for the Japanese audience at all because the audience for specific genres is the same around the globe.


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The woke mentality and social media played very little in the current state of things and they're honestly a side effect, it more had to do with monopolies and buyouts. There used to be a large variety of media companies but now they're all owned by a small handful of umbrellas. Take for example Western RPGs, all the big series are either owned by EA, Microsoft, or Ubisoft. But long term it's not going to stay that way. companies sell shit off all the time. Companies despite how large they are have finite resources and can't invest in every IP they own, it's sometimes more profitable to just clear things out. Companies like Embracer exist to look for IP deals they can get their hands on that other companies are offloading and even have expanded into board games.
Shut the fuck up.
 
Manga and their anime adaptations are often popular around the world (France has been its biggest importer and consumer since the 70s, and according to this article mangas have currently taken hold of 50% of the french comic market), but those media are still created to be consumed by the japanese audience firstmost. Japanese authors are not going change things because there is seemingly a bigger audience outside Japan that is divided across several multiple countries. The same can be said for japanese games as a general rule as well: they can be popular outside of the home country but they were made for the japanese audience firsmost unless exactly told otherwise. There is no detailed hard data available anyway, at least for the public, that could prove one specific country generate more sales of japanese games than Japan itself in order to claim a general truth as such. Hence the reliance on claiming shipments (to retailers) in related news because the infrastructure in western countries don't seem good enough to keep track of sales like Japan does with Famitsu and Media Create (which has shipment stock represented as a colored bar alongside of the sale numbers)
to be fair, japan doesn't cater to the outside that much, but that doesn't mean they don't get influenced by it and like to use it. france especially has been super tight with japan for decades when it comes to manga/anime, in part due to their own very strong and "old" comic/animation industry. cba to look it up but I'm pretty sure the gravity rush devs cited eurocomics for the game's style. you could also add a good chunk of ghibli movies to that.

as for storytelling:

seriously, I wonder why people still haven't put the resident sonypony on ignore when he's talking out of his ass again...
 
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to be fair, japan doesn't cater to the outside that much, but that doesn't mean they don't get influenced by it and like to use it. france especially has been super tight with japan for decades when it comes to manga/anime, in part due to their own very strong and "old" comic/animation industry. cba to look it up but I'm pretty sure the gravity rush devs cited eurocomics for the game's style. you could also add a good chunk of ghibli movies to that.
The one example that directly comes to my mind is Osamu Tezuka (the godfather of the modern manga as we know it) was a big fan of Walt Disney's animation. Anecdotally, he also studied medicine before getting into comics hence the creation of Blackjack.

seriously, I wonder why people still haven't put the resident sonypony on ignore when he's talking out of his ass again...
I think a ban could be a lot more effective as that would prevent him to actually shit up the threads with his countless low-quality posts that contribute nothing and his absolute refusal to actually learn things.

Come to think, it's not the first time I've mentioned France having a deep relationship with the Japanese for manga/anime. The sonyfaggot always claim bullshit though like this one (in the previous page):
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Just like him pretending the woke mentality doesn't exist and sanitize western games/comics or that social media doesn't have some form of influence in the field, by cancelling people for spouting the wrong opinion

It's rather amazing how he will always ignore proofs from other users while he has pretty much nothing to provide his "claims"
 
The one example that directly comes to my mind is Osamu Tezuka (the godfather of the modern manga as we know it) was a big fan of Walt Disney's animation. Anecdotally, he also studied medicine before getting into comics hence the creation of Blackjack.


I think a ban could be a lot more effective as that would prevent him to actually shit up the threads with his countless low-quality posts that contribute nothing and his absolute refusal to actually learn things.

Come to think, it's not the first time I've mentioned France having a deep relationship with the Japanese for manga/anime. The sonyfaggot always claim bullshit though like this one (in the previous page):
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Just like him pretending the woke mentality doesn't exist and sanitize western games/comics or that social media doesn't have some form of influence in the field, by cancelling people for spouting the wrong opinion

It's rather amazing how he will always ignore proofs from other users while he has pretty much nothing to provide his "claims"
You mention the French Connection, and for some reason I can't help but think about a Tintin anime.
 
Apparently Steam has banned the release of the PC port of Dungeon Travelers 2, which was originally a Playstation PSP & Vita game.
It's a dungeon crawler published by Aquaplus with Sting Entertainment as the developer (Utawarerumono, Yggdra Union, Gungnir, Knights in the Nightmare, Riveria, etc)

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I hope a Switch port will come out soon, as steam game bans seem to be permanent and cannot be appealed, and it will be certainly not allowed on PS4 either.

You mention the French Connection, and for some reason I can't help but think about a Tintin anime.
Not exactly the same thing, but there was a manga collaboration in 2006 featuring Spirou (another belgian comic character who is originally an hotel bell-boy and later a reporter) drawn by Hiroyuki Oshima

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to be fair, japan doesn't cater to the outside that much, but that doesn't mean they don't get influenced by it and like to use it. france especially has been super tight with japan for decades when it comes to manga/anime, in part due to their own very strong and "old" comic/animation industry. cba to look it up but I'm pretty sure the gravity rush devs cited eurocomics for the game's style. you could also add a good chunk of ghibli movies to that.
Old manga sure looks a lot like the franco-belgian comics that came before it. Kiki's Delivery Service ultimately came out of a journey Miyazaki & Co did trying to secure the rights to Pippi Longstockings and the environments were enough to scramble my brain("I've been to these places in the animated movie"). Mumin/Moomin was bought by the Japanese and people can say that's an anime style but no, it's Tove Jansson.*************

But surely, surely, Daft Punk's "one more time" is anime
No it's not, it is distinctly french.



************* there's a now very expensive and rare Moomin mug that came from the japs not paying attention. It shows a moomin swimming. Tove contacted the japs and informed them that moomin can't swim and it was pulled from stores and never made again.
€23,000
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