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Cuntspiracy Man said:
this is older than NFTs, and at least in some ways, dumber

at least NFTs promised worth for your product
no one who bought one thought it was a masterpiece, it was just something you could own alongside a virtual token, and frankly thats probably what killed it because other cryptocurrency is still alive
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Well aware they are older.

I'd argue it's the same because it also promised worth for the product as if you are not aware, toyhouse is used to exchange/buy/sell these and the more "exclusive" ones like the retarded "dainties" or whatever they are called, can go past the thousands of dollars for just an image - or even a spot to have the right to commission an image - and a supposed right to said character - see the similarities?

It's the same level of retardation, imho. If you don't think so, that's fine as well. NFT's having any value is laughable though... Funny enough the closed species still exist. NFT's are irrelevant by now save for retarded gaming corporations that are trying to draw blood from the dead horse that is crypto-related images.

Everyone that bought these thought it was a fucking prestige to own one and were crushed when the "creator" banned them from their right to have their "shitcabbagedog" or "lizardmermaidfaggotdragon".
 
Ketamine Kat said:
Well aware they are older.

I'd argue it's the same because it also promised worth for the product as if you are not aware, toyhouse is used to exchange/buy/sell these and the more "exclusive" ones like the retarded "dainties" or whatever they are called, can go past the thousands of dollars for just an image - or even a spot to have the right to commission an image - and a supposed right to said character - see the similarities?

It's the same level of retardation, imho. If you don't think so, that's fine as well. NFT's having any value is laughable though... Funny enough the closed species still exist. NFT's are irrelevant by now save for retarded gaming corporations that are trying to draw blood from the dead horse that is crypto-related images.

Everyone that bought these thought it was a fucking prestige to own one and were crushed when the "creator" banned them from their right to have their "shitcabbagedog" or "lizardmermaidfaggotdragon".
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I think the reason that artists hate NFTs so much yet are mostly fine with CS is because CS tend to have an RPG element to them (hence the prominent term "ARPG" (Art Roleplaying Game))
A lot of these groups claim that participating provides "educational" qualities because they sometimes have multimedia prompts that force users to "branch out" for points or other rewards. These are almost always optional, and the vast majority of prompts tend to consist of "draw something doing this" or "draw something in this pose", so it's very much a reach, but the people who are retarded enough to buy into this (not the obsessive hoarders who're doing this out of compulsion, I mean everyone else) think that claim has some merit and so parade it around as being something of value.
You see this sentiment paraded around eeeeverywhere in groups like these, usually on the front page. The aforementioned Xeros are a great example: look at this lol
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literally the first sentence you see on the website, and yet the entire rest of the page is dedicated to shilling how to get your own Xero- either through buying, trading, or whatever else they want you to do to fork over cash

It's also doubly hilarious seeing these guys seethe about how soulless NFTs are and how they all look the same and they're not "real art"
before turning right around and buying up another auction of one of these CS :story:
 
Anonitolia said:
I think the reason that artists hate NFTs so much
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frankly i think artists tend to hate whatever theyre told to hate, and say whatever theyre told to say

same way people who were all in favor of everything leading up to AI, and frankly corporate art that might as well BE AI, suddenly hated AI when one guy told em to, not realizing they caused this issue

most artists are selfish, non self aware and retarded
and i would know
 
Cuntspiracy Man said:
most artists are selfish, non self aware and retarded
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Frankly at this point I associate art with mental illness since you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to draw some of the shit you see online. Good or bad.

Or if you aren't fucked up in the head, the art community online will fix that right up for you and make you fucked up in the head.
 
Ketamine Kat said:
Frankly at this point I associate art with mental illness since you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to draw some of the shit you see online. Good or bad.

Or if you aren't fucked up in the head, the art community online will fix that right up for you and make you fucked up in the head.
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they say artists are all a bit insane, and i believe it

on the other hand, thats what always made art good
two of the things that now cause the downfall of art are the fact that its easier to hire people who arent artists deep down, who dont have that insanity, who just sorta... draw... than it is to work with an artistic vision
meanwhile it became way too easy to make and share art with no effort and the crazy people flock to communities that destroy them
 
Ketamine Kat said:
Frankly at this point I associate art with mental illness since you have to be pretty fucked up in the head to draw some of the shit you see online. Good or bad.

Or if you aren't fucked up in the head, the art community online will fix that right up for you and make you fucked up in the head.
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same and can confirm
it's sort of always been there, like if you look at stuff like Van Gogh's personal life or further into Dali it's obvious that artists tend to have some issues, and you can't really be creative without going against a LOT of social/cultural/general norms (especially nowadays)
but I don't think it's ever been as prominent as now, when any old hack with a cheap tablet can get online and start uploading whatever spills out of their brains onto the internet with a comment clarifying the meaning and the message behind whatever they're producing (assuming they even thought far enough ahead to have one, that is)
 
Anonitolia said:
same and can confirm
it's sort of always been there, like if you look at stuff like Van Gogh's personal life or further into Dali it's obvious that artists tend to have some issues, and you can't really be creative without going against a LOT of social/cultural/general norms (especially nowadays)
but I don't think it's ever been as prominent as now, when any old hack with a cheap tablet can get online and start uploading whatever spills out of their brains onto the internet with a comment clarifying the meaning and the message behind whatever they're producing (assuming they even thought far enough ahead to have one, that is)
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yeah the internet really was a double edged sword wasnt it
on one hand its so much easier for artists to put their work out there, on the other hand i think its better for some people to struggle, because too much comfort brings out a whole lotta trash
on the other hand it also gave a whole lotta people who arent fit to be artists, the opportunity to "play artist", a good example of this is every single generic normie comic on instagram or some buzzfeed crafter who put together a glittery canvas of a multicolored vagina

but frankly
ill take good ol art autism over boring pseudoart any day

back to the topic of closed species tho
in a way i think its kind of a combination of the two
its mental illness thats inherent to artists, without the drive to truly create, its like someone took someone that was destined to be an artist and nipped it in the bud by introducing them to a less passionate yet equally insane artistic alternative way too early
 
I'll take an average increase of weirdos anyday, i love seeing an actual artpiece that makes me think or just mesmerize over it.
Recently i've been looking through the portfolio of a particular artist that makes both very photorealistic wildlife drawings of birds, but also makes fantasy drawings which employ more playful artstyles usually involving gryphons and dragons.
It is the kind of art that makes me smile, it's clearly done out of passion and they seem to be untouched by the furry artist curse of making porn to not starve, as i have yet to see any public NSFW piece from them.
I'm sure there are custom species out there that have this sort of passion put into them, and i reckon such passion projects aren't barred behind ridiculous prices and asinine rulelawyering.
But if they are out there i don't often get to see them, perhaps the idea that a character that's part of a certain canon and exclusive community is far more attractive then creating a cool character outright with the sole intention of being part of that artist's vision in it's own right.

I sometimes feel CS have the designer brand effect, where the product itself might be functionally the same or usually worse in quality and function, yet people buy it in droves because it is supposed to be exclusive and prestigious to have it.
From what i can read of the target audience for these things it's supposed to trigger a dopamine reaction, much like unpacking trading cards or a shopping spree would give.
As far as i can tell people hardly use more then one or two of these characters, it's not the character itself that matters but the idea of having and hoarding them, trading them around after a week or so to get another hit of that dopamine rush.

As cringy as bad autistic artists can be with their OC DONUT STEELs at the very least most care more about their creations then these people do, even if the art is bad they actually made it with the desire to express something, CS characters just mostly feel like commodities with little else going on behind the scenes.
 
Chippy said:
I've been reading through this entire thread the last few days, and while people have alluded to the fact that the Dainties started off as a fetish species, I haven't seen any of the original material. Does anyone have the original design sheet or whatever that talks about it? I want to see it for myself, I bet it's hilarious.
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IIRC their original species sheets didn't have any sort of laughably extreme fetishes, but it mentioned how "alluring" they are and said their saliva had aphrodisiac qualities.
 
oh ya'll want to talk fetishes now, huh?

may i introduce you to succubuns? (nsfw)

succubuns are basically a cs of horny demon rabbits, all of their events apparently focus around fertility and breeding, i haven't stepped much into it to learn more, but it's entire existence is making a lot of people tard rage. enjoy paying to make oc's for the primary objective of literally fucking other peoples oc's, but with a cutesy knockoff pikachu rat thing kinda form.

i'm not even going to link art of them because theres a questionable of age looking imp thing as one of the infographics for the species
 
A Snek said:
oh ya'll want to talk fetishes now, huh?

may i introduce you to succubuns? (nsfw)

succubuns are basically a cs of horny demon rabbits, all of their events apparently focus around fertility and breeding, i haven't stepped much into it to learn more, but it's entire existence is making a lot of people tard rage. enjoy paying to make oc's for the primary objective of literally fucking other peoples oc's, but with a cutesy knockoff pikachu rat thing kinda form.

i'm not even going to link art of them because theres a questionable of age looking imp thing as one of the infographics for the species
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They're all shapeshifting troons with no concept of things like 'gay' or 'straight', and they change genitals at will. There are some that can't shapeshift but that's okay... There are surgeries or hormones they can take...

Stopped reading there. "Not a fetish" hey?
 
A Snek said:
it's entire existence is making a lot of people tard rage.
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this is far more autistic behavior than simply the act of making one of these things

its a species made for sexy roleplay, they seem pretty direct about this and i frankly dont know what anyone would expect from it..
if you rage about adults wanting to rp some bunny girls fucking online, i dont think you belong on the internet

actually, lemme edit and rephrase that: if you rage about ANYTHING itt, you dont belong on the internet
we have a laugh here, but this shit is all par for the course on the interwebz

also this is one instance where the act of making this a "closed species" actually makes sense- youre not just paying for the right to make a shitty oc, youre pretty much buying an entry ticket into the online orgy
 
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Got intro'd to these from a furry I met whilst in my GTAO phase, these fucking things run a premium and it really (when they became a thing) was like beta NFTs. Every few months the owner(s) would throw out an announcement opening spots for like 3/4 of these things with different rarities, higher rarity means higher cost. Usually they'd be bid auctions but they'd all start out pretty hefty (For the time I was looking at it a common one ran $50-$100 starting bid, the ''Legendary'' would start $300-$500 just because it had more "Rare traits"). This gets even funnier and crazier when you want to try and change or make your own. You have to wait for the 1 slot which pops up every few months from the artist, or buy an adopt then pay the owner money to allow you to change shit on the avatar. Hair Length, Color, Horn shape, wings (etc etc) was all separate additional shit you had to pay to change. These things (as you can see) are micro-transactions (For want of a better phrase) and ultimately just trying to make this thing your own for the sake of imagination would run you some cash.
Oh right, funnier bit, for you to even be allowed to buy one of these things you have to give them social links and shit, they must be able to link you on at least 2/3 social accounts (FB/Twitter). This then gets put on their "Official Sonas List" which they update publicly whenever people make changes or w/e. I am obviously fairly ignorant when it comes to this dumb concept but it blows my mind people will (As we all know how much people post about their RL via socials) allow themselves to be put on a doxxable furry-list and pay for the pleasure of doing so, all so some artist can go "OH WELL IT RESERVES YOUR TOTALLY UNIQUE SONA AND ITS PROOF ITS YOURS NOW!" or some shit.
 
Galeocerdo said:
Got intro'd to these from a furry I met whilst in my GTAO phase, these fucking things run a premium and it really (when they became a thing) was like beta NFTs. Every few months the owner(s) would throw out an announcement opening spots for like 3/4 of these things with different rarities, higher rarity means higher cost. Usually they'd be bid auctions but they'd all start out pretty hefty (For the time I was looking at it a common one ran $50-$100 starting bid, the ''Legendary'' would start $300-$500 just because it had more "Rare traits"). This gets even funnier and crazier when you want to try and change or make your own. You have to wait for the 1 slot which pops up every few months from the artist, or buy an adopt then pay the owner money to allow you to change shit on the avatar. Hair Length, Color, Horn shape, wings (etc etc) was all separate additional shit you had to pay to change. These things (as you can see) are micro-transactions (For want of a better phrase) and ultimately just trying to make this thing your own for the sake of imagination would run you some cash.
Oh right, funnier bit, for you to even be allowed to buy one of these things you have to give them social links and shit, they must be able to link you on at least 2/3 social accounts (FB/Twitter). This then gets put on their "Official Sonas List" which they update publicly whenever people make changes or w/e. I am obviously fairly ignorant when it comes to this dumb concept but it blows my mind people will (As we all know how much people post about their RL via socials) allow themselves to be put on a doxxable furry-list and pay for the pleasure of doing so, all so some artist can go "OH WELL IT RESERVES YOUR TOTALLY UNIQUE SONA AND ITS PROOF ITS YOURS NOW!" or some shit.
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Actual lunacy, they take this shit so seriously too it seems.

>You WILL link your socials.
>You WILL provide your DOX.
>You WILL pay the price.
>You WILL make microtransactions.
>You WILL obey the species rules.
>You WILL only commission from approved artists.
>You WILL let us decide if your OC is allowed.
>And you WILL be happy.

Feels very control freak like, do you think they get off on the idea they can smite someone's special snowflake DONUT STEEL whenever they so please with no one daring question their authority on the matter of gay rainbow sprinkle bugmen dogs (and get paid by their fanbase to do so) ?
 
Cuntspiracy Man said:
this is far more autistic behavior than simply the act of making one of these things

its a species made for sexy roleplay, they seem pretty direct about this and i frankly dont know what anyone would expect from it..
if you rage about adults wanting to rp some bunny girls fucking online, i dont think you belong on the internet

actually, lemme edit and rephrase that: if you rage about ANYTHING itt, you dont belong on the internet
we have a laugh here, but this shit is all par for the course on the interwebz

also this is one instance where the act of making this a "closed species" actually makes sense- youre not just paying for the right to make a shitty oc, youre pretty much buying an entry ticket into the online orgy
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I can get behind that. I'm all for people getting their rocks off in a (hopefully) victimless manner, even if it's via rpging as sexy demon rabbits. It's the tranny fetish shit that's built into the universe that pisses me off. It's really become the next, "everyone is a bit autistic!" thing.

Never got into the sexy rpg thing myself. I played one rpg back in my LJ days, and it started off really fun, but the three people running it basically devolved into incessant sex play, leaving myself and the others playing to try to run the universe ourselves. It got so boring with half the characters constantly tied up in weeks long sex scenes. I ended up quitting, you don't need three weeks and five hundred posts to say, "And then they fucked."
 
Space Lazer Shark said:
Actual lunacy, they take this shit so seriously too it seems.

>You WILL link your socials.
>You WILL provide your DOX.
>You WILL pay the price.
>You WILL make microtransactions.
>You WILL obey the species rules.
>You WILL only commission from approved artists.
>You WILL let us decide if your OC is allowed.
>And you WILL be happy.

Feels very control freak like, do you think they get off on the idea they can smite someone's special snowflake DONUT STEEL whenever they so please with no one daring question their authority on the matter of gay rainbow sprinkle bugmen dogs (and get paid by their fanbase to do so)?
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I wouldn't be as averse to this idea if it wasn't for yeah, the fact you have to cough up social media links (Their reasoning is so you can "prove" your legitimately own the character because yknow, if someone DOES STEAL you now have the owner linking directly to you on it) and the additional Micro-transaction style of "Well you want to buy a new color? Pay me for it." I find the concept of closed species kind of an obvious egotrip for a creator, that being they make a concept (Which from my experience is just "Let me throw 2/3 animals together and bam!", it's rarely something unique looking which breaks the mold but when it is it has to be fucking weird like Sergals) and instead of maybe making their own world and lore around it and making it a case of "Hey, buy artwork from me because I am the one who made this" they lock it the hell down so you have to go to them to even begin.
I don't think the "Species rules" is something necessarily bad, by that I mean nature has rules for what's normal and abnormal when it comes to everything in the animal kingdom, I think it's stupid to go chasing, however, someone who doesn't want to adhere to what you believe your "Species" should be. It's like the creator of ALIEN going online and everytime someone draws a Xenomorph with tits, or thick thighs, or lips or w/e they sperg out at that person screaming "THATS NOT HOW THEY LOOK IN LORE THIS IS NOT CANON AND YOU'RE BREAKING MY RULES!"
I mean honestly, the rules are barely needed as we know furries and weebs, it's always rainbow fucking colors, muted monochrome edgelord colors and fucking heterochromia.
 
Galeocerdo said:
instead of maybe making their own world and lore around it and making it a case of "Hey, buy artwork from me because I am the one who made this"
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au contraire mon amie, they make their own world and lore to INCENTIVIZE buying the artwork in the first place
take it from me, someone who was literally lured into this entire thing via the worldbuilding autism, a lot of these species have ridiculously deep lore that goes as far as detailing every single stage of the species' life and many extreme minutiae of their society purely so that the owner can 1) control how the species is portrayed by their audience 2) have easy fodder for prompts/events (a lot of which often involve pets or subspecies that you draw alongside your characters for points) and 3) lure in autistic lorefags who want to participate because they like the world

these people go as far as to tell you off for stylizing things very slightly if that stylization makes the species look even vaguely different from its template: for example, if you have a furry species with "soft beans" and you make their fingers a little sharper in a mostly-edgy drawing to get across something like tone or movement, you will have an irate mod in your comments before anyone else telling you off for breaking the rules and insisting it's not valid for points until you change the stylization back to the template (another huge reason these groups actually tend to stunt creative growth significantly as opposed to their stated purpose)
 
doublepost since this is unrelated: L O L (archive)
Wyngro's dead bros
Only took 'em 7 years of scamming and tax evading
I realize it happened like 3 months ago, but I haven't seen a post about it so I'm making one

some highlights:
>the reason this happened is likely due to a 68-PAGE DOCUMENT detailing Nestly's "abuse of power", linked here and archived here (by someone else earlier this year, so idk if it's up to date, but it looks like it is), that was repeatedly taken down by DA's own staff and responsible for at least one PERMANENT BAN FROM DA after Nestly reported them for linking to it on a personal status update
>Nestly spends an entire paragraph of the announcement bitching about "not being able to defend herself" and "feeling trapped" instead of detailing what's going to happen, which is part of the first series of paragraphs that's mainly about her talking about how she's not perfect and has made mistakes and yadda yadda yadda
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>the Wyngro store is now closed, but the patreon remains
>most of the group's event history hasn't been archived on the site and will probably be lost if the DA group is ever deleted
>their hilarious restrictions on shading your art remains well-documented though
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>even in the actual explanation post detailing how she's basically abandoning the whole thing, Nestly feels the need to mention her "stalkers" at the bottom of the paragraph
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>at least one groomer within the group has been found out and defended by Nestly, archived, according to the document, because of course
>here's a link to the blog that wrote that post, (archived) by the way, in case you're bored and want to see
>the DeviantArt group remains active, with some people still posting pieces as recently as 4 days ago

in case you needed convincing that the group passing on is a good thing, here's one of its NPCs
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Oh hey, something I can contribute to. I've wanted to revive the discussion on wyngro a couple of times but I'm too retarded to figure out archiving. It's going to be obvious that I was a member of the group, however I'll try my best not to reveal my powerlevel. Feel free to call me retarded.

The 'death' of the group was mostly centered around a really unpopular change. It changed the cooldown for complete color changes from a month to a full year. It's gone over in length in the google doc, so I'm not gonna repeat what transpired over DA.
On discord, however, people wanted to open a discussion about it and were civil about it. Kept it to a single channel and were very calm at first. But Nestly-and by extension the mods- didn't want to hear, see, or even smell of any discontent in the server. So anyone who participated, or even reacted with emojis got warned or muted.

After that, an ex mod went into the memes channel and started calling out Nestly and spammed dumb shit, people joined and it led to what began to be known as the "Ban Wave of 2021"

There is certainly more I can go into about the group, but it is more petty and less relevant. The farewell by extension is interesting enough since it has the afterthoughts of several influential users, but is inconsequential overall.
 
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