Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%

  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%

  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%

  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%
  • Total voters
    435
TPDPolice said:
Might be late on this one, but if any of you have a foot fetish, I have the cure.

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Oddly enough, there's a scene in the beginning where she's inexplicably barefoot during an action sequence ala Joss Whedon-styled footbaiting. This is the first thing I thought of when they emphasized they had taken her boots.
 
Going back to an interview with the Russos from last year:

As the Russo Brothers work with Captain Marvel is guaranteed to be seen by the time Avengers 4 comes to an end, the sibling directors and screenwriters for their films have specific approaches to Brie Larson's heroine.

Anthony and Joe Russo are electing to stay quiet on whether or not Captain Marvel will appear in Avengers: Infinity War, as the world will definitively find out when the movie hits theaters on Friday. However, while speaking to ComicBook.com in an exclusive interview, they explained both the obstacles they faced while bringing the character into their film(s) and where their focus was when bringing her to life.

"Well for us, with super powerful characters, it's always about the flaw in the character, how is the character human? How is the character accessible?" Joe Russo said. "I have a hard time with comic book characters, I did as a child, that were too powerful because I never feared for them, I never felt like I could relate to them. I think that's why traditionally Batman is the most popular DC comic character, he's human. So, it's important for us when we're working with uber-powerful characters, to understand their vulnerability on a psychological level."

Anthony Russo chimed in to add on to that point. "And that's of course, and then we follow, the way we challenge a character like that is taking them through scenarios that make things more complicated on that vulnerability," he said. "And challenge that vulnerability."

"Or can we weaken them in some way in which they have to overcome that weakness to succeed," Joe Russo concluded.

Originally, signs pointed to Captain Marvel making her Marvel Cinematic Universe debut in Avengers: Infinity War. While on set of the ensemble film, ComicBook.com was told by Joe Russo that she was "in the movie." However, with Avengers: Infinity War and its Untitled Avengers 4 sequel having filmed back to back, there may have been a bit of confusing. At San Diego Comic Con in July of 2017, Joe Russo told ComicBook.com, "[Captain Marvel is] not in Avengers 3."

Either way, bringing the character to life posed its challenges to for the Avengers movies, as the films screenwriters were ready to admit.

"I mean, we were somewhat at sea a little bit in that... not at sea in a bad way, but her movie had not been written yet," Christopher Markus said. "And so you want it to all tie together. You don't wanna write a Captain Marvel that bears no resemblance to one who has her own movie coming out."

The writers wanted to be sure she was not "so vague," as Markus put it, that she "would not register" in her standalone film, McFeely points out.

"So we had to make a decision, in our movie she is going to be this, and she's going to serve this function, and she'll sound like this," McFeely said. "And hopefully that will make sense with what the Marvel team wants to do."

There is good news the writers will share with comic fans, however. "We took some cues from the comics," Markus said. "She is military, and there's a certain authority that comes with that."

Taking place 30 years prior to Avengers: Infinity War, Captain Marvel will be an origin story for the character -- meaning she was always going to be quite different between the appearances. Still, the writers were unaware of such a fact while crafting their version. "Regardless of what her movie was gonna be, and again we didn't know what it was at the time, we knew that she'd probably be fully formed by the this time she got to our movie, and given what that means for her, we figured she'd be pretty confident," McFeely said. "That's a person with a lot of power, more powerful than anybody in the room, right? So, what does that mean compared to the other characters. There was some delight to that."
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So:

1. Since her movie wasn't out yet (or even written - yikes), the screenwriters found a "function" for her to serve in the movie's plot and pulled from the character's background in the comics where they could, and just hoped it would dovetail with how she's written in Captain Marvel.

2. The lines I bolded from the Russos imply (at least to my reading) that Carol may get temporarily nerfed or otherwise compromised during Endgame.

Maybe I'm optimistic, but I'm skeptical that Carol will do anything as egregious as slap Thanos around without breaking a sweat and make everyone else look redundant. They seem to have some challenges in mind for her. If anything, I'm more interested in their treatment than I am in Captain Marvel's actual movie. Go figure.
 
Miang said:
Going back to an interview with the Russos from last year:



So:

1. Since her movie wasn't out yet (or even written - yikes), the screenwriters found a "function" for her to serve in the movie's plot and pulled from the character's background in the comics where they could, and just hoped it would dovetail with how she's written in Captain Marvel.

2. The lines I bolded from the Russos imply (at least to my reading) that Carol may get temporarily nerfed or otherwise compromised during Endgame.

Maybe I'm optimistic, but I'm skeptical that Carol will do anything as egregious as slap Thanos around without breaking a sweat and make everyone else look redundant. They seem to have some challenges in mind for her. If anything, I'm more interested in their treatment than I am in Captain Marvel's actual movie. Go figure.
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If that happens, it wouldn't be the first time the Russos have "fixed" characters.

  1. Captain America (they MADE him in the Winter Soldier)
  2. Iron Man (They took the concepts from Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron-- Tony's PTSD -- and actually took it seriously)
  3. Black Panther (and just Wakanda in general ... I thought it was far more interestingly depicted in Infinity War than it was in the Black Panther movie)
  4. Doctor Strange (not that he was "fixed" per se, but his potential was realized in Infinity War, in my opinion)

If they make Captain Marvel an interesting character in Endgame, then they are miracle workers. All I'm asking is for her to not be a deus ex machina, and for her to not hog up any screentime.
 
Doug looks like he's about to neck himself. That poor man, I hope he does

EDIT: Alright whatever motherfucker didn't get my obscure shitty Simpsons game reference gets sent to the gulag
 
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Kurosaki Ichigo said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IttvJRFgFJoLooks like they had the chance to do more with the character but the animation studio crumbled before they could. Also former storyboarding artist has a lot to say about his employer.
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I thought it might had been covered already so I didn't talk about it. I found that article a couple month ago talking about it and it includes the full pitch animation:
 
I saw this last night. Turned out to be pretty much exactly what most of the reviews are calling it: a middling origin story. Brie Larson isn't as wooden and bland as the trailers made me expect but still lacks the charisma of most of the other MCU leads.

The film's biggest problem is that Carol doesn't really have much of an arc or even much of a character. I suspect that at least an early draft of the script had her starting as a loyal Kree drone and slowly rediscovering her humanity over the course of the story. Unfortunately, only a faint trace of that can be seen in the final version. Instead she starts the film confident, strong, and sassy and ends the film confident, strong, and sassy.

I wonder how the people in charge of the MCU are reacting. Critically and financially the movie is going to do fine (though probably not nearly as well as they were hoping with the huge media push) but I can't imagine they're ecstatic about the tepid response to the actress and character they planned on building the post-Endgame MCU around.
 
Speaking of Sarah Conner, this is how you convince me that a woman is physically stronk hollywood. Look at those arms.
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Tor Lugosi said:
I can't imagine they're ecstatic about the tepid response to the actress and character they planned on building the post-Endgame MCU around.
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Downey and Evans are almost assured to be dipping out in a major way, but I don't think Hemsworth's made any such statements. Especially since he seemed to really enjoy the reinvigorated approach to Thor that he and Watiti came up with and seems like he'd be willing to do more. Also Holland's still pretty fresh-faced and his film appearances have received nothing from praise.

Why would they center a post-End Game era of the MCU around Larson's portrayal of Danvers when they've clearly struck gold with Hemsworth's Thor and Holland's Spider-Man?
 
_blank_ said:
Incorrect, chucklenuts.

1) Sarah Conner and Ripley both had a movie beforehand to let us learn about them first and build their characters. They didn't just show up like Rey did and have the ability to do Jedi mind tricks and wield a lightsaber like a seasoned veteran within the first ten minutes, or Carol Danvers which has been in exactly none of the previous Marvel movies and now is apparently the most important character to the MCU.

2) Sarah Conner and Ripley, while obviously female, weren't thrust into the forefront of the media consciousness as that being their most important trait. No one said, "Ripley, FIRST WOMAN IN SPACE TO FIGHT A XENOMORPH," or "Sarah Conner, FIRST WOMAN TO FIGHT MURDER ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE." Whereas on the other hand Captain Marvel's advertising, "From HER to HERO" is incredibly pandering.

3) Hey chucklenuts - I didn't see anyone bitch about Alita being a woman. That itself makes your argument moot.

4) I'm pretty sure next to no one would have been angry if Black Widow had her own movie. Pretty sure if Star Wars wanted to do expand their storyline and they made a movie about Mara Jade, fans would have been ecstatic. But nope. We get brand new characters which we know nothing about (at least in the cinematic universe standpoint), and told we MUST LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN AND THAT'S ALLLL THE REASON YOU NEED
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Honestly, these people clearly just want to continue living in a fantasy world where everyone who doesn’t like Captain Marvel is just a woman-hating incel, and thus want to convince themselves that that’s the case.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
I saw this last night. Turned out to be pretty much exactly what most of the reviews are calling it: a middling origin story. Brie Larson isn't as wooden and bland as the trailers made me expect but still lacks the charisma of most of the other MCU leads.

The film's biggest problem is that Carol doesn't really have much of an arc or even much of a character. I suspect that at least an early draft of the script had her starting as a loyal Kree drone and slowly rediscovering her humanity over the course of the story. Unfortunately, only a faint trace of that can be seen in the final version. Instead she starts the film confident, strong, and sassy and ends the film confident, strong, and sassy.

I wonder how the people in charge of the MCU are reacting. Critically and financially the movie is going to do fine (though probably not nearly as well as they were hoping with the huge media push) but I can't imagine they're ecstatic about the tepid response to the actress and character they planned on building the post-Endgame MCU around.
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Their biggest fuck-up by far is timing, if they came out in phase one or even late into two, it'd get glowing reviews. Trying to drop a "just ok" movie peppered with dud humor after shit like Winter Soldier, Ragnarok, and Homecoming (not particularly a renown MCu movie but often pointed to as how to successfully do an "origin story" this far out) was asking for trouble, the bar is set too high.

As stated, Russo's are gods and I doubt they'll have any problem doing something cool with her. Infinity War and Endgame were filmed at the same time, it's not like they even really knew what they were going with so I'd think they more or less sculpted her a fresh personality with what little they were given. "Reaction Guy" Tyrone Magnus on Youtube laid it out pretty well, the Russo Bros fix what the stand-alones don't get right. I'd be shocked if they didn't work magic with her.
 
redcap said:
Downey and Evans are almost assured to be dipping out in a major way, but I don't think Hemsworth's made any such statements. Especially since he seemed to really enjoy the reinvigorated approach to Thor that he and Watiti came up with and seems like he'd be willing to do more. Also Holland's still pretty fresh-faced and his film appearances have received nothing from praise.

Why would they center a post-End Game era of the MCU around Larson's portrayal of Danvers when they've clearly struck gold with Hemsworth's Thor and Holland's Spider-Man?
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Putting her at the lead of the MCU isn't just something angry internet people made up, it's something Kevin Feige's already talked about.

As for Thor, Hemsworth is great but after the success of Ragnarok I suspect he'll mostly be doing off-world adventures. With Spider-Man, his rights are still tied up with Sony and after a certain amount of appearances they have to re-negotiate with them to use him again.

With them getting all the rights connected to the Fantastic Four I can see them re-tooling the Annihilation stories to focus on Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
Putting her at the lead of the MCU isn't just something angry internet people made up, it's something Kevin Feige's already talked about.

As for Thor, Hemsworth is great but after the success of Ragnarok I suspect he'll mostly be doing off-world adventures. With Spider-Man, his rights are still tied up with Sony and after a certain amount of appearances they have to re-negotiate with them to use him again.

With them getting all the rights connected to the Fantastic Four I can see them re-tooling the Annihilation stories to focus on Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Don't they outright own all the X-Men now?
 
you know, a lot of pain could be saved in movies if everyone just dumped the toxic LOL FUK U MEN bullshit
and started treated women like people instead of walking vaginas.
 
Something that's sticking in my craw is a review that says Captain Marvel made effective use of the "signature Marvel formula". How many times was that exact thing the criticism of previous entries?
 
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