Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%
  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%
  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%
  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%
  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%
  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%

  • Total voters
    435
Incorrect. The cast of Alien were written without genders assigned in order to make casting, etc. easier as the movie was considered a risk and the studio wasn't sure who'd they'd be able to get.

This is actually a stronger argument for Ripley's character, as in that film she exhibits traits that would be identifiable for both men and women and therefore made her a better protagonist, as well as a greater surprise survivor compared to Dallas or Parker.
comparing Rey/CM to Ripley and Sarah Connor

It's enough to make me cry. Ye Gods.

Several people have noted how boring Rey is because she hasn't faced any challenges. How bad is CM in that regard?
 
This review is nonsense. Kermode prefaced his review with "it wasn't made for me" and repeated that notion more than once. Then he forced himself to give it a half-way okay review.

Pretty sure all of the Zack Snyder DC movies weren't "made for him" either, but he never hesitated to eviscerate them.

(I cannot believe I am sort of sticking up for the DCEU ...)

EDIT: I am also remembering Kermode's epic smackdown review of Sex & The City 2. He tore that movie to shreds! However, I am pretty fucking sure that movie wasn't "made for him" either.
Remember to bring this up to him every time he discusses a movie that has females in it. Nobody who prefaces a review with "it wasn't made for me" has ever had anything truly meaningful to say that you couldn't find anywhere else.
 
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I haven't read back far enough to know if you saw it. But I watched this (guess how I did I won't state) garbage last night. This character won't catch on, and the movie was joyless and incredibly boring. And I didn't like Black Panther but EVEN I WANTED TO WATCH THAT AGAIN!

And no one is saying it's gonna flop, but they believe it may under perform. Word of mouth will damage it.

Did, gave it mediocre to good feedback (jokes that didn't land were the worst offender for me), but I found no real substance to the "OP Brie" claims. By the numbers, but "average" superhero movies haven't tanked so far and I'd be shocked if this broke that streak.

Several people have noted how boring Rey is because she hasn't faced any challenges. How bad is CM in that regard?

I hate repeatedly comparing her to Thor, but she's more or less Thor before the last part of Ragnarok.
She loses sparring matches with Yon Rogg until she Goku blasts him across the room "uncontrollably", but then doesn't fight too much until the end after the Hulks Up, at which point she's strong but not to the point that a lot of people claimed or feared. She doesn't even really easily beat Yon Rogg until right until the very end, in true Marvel formula fashion.

The only thing I can admit was a bit much is when

Ronin shows up with the his kill squad, she Iron Giants herself into the missles, turns one around and throws it into the rest. She then flies threw their fighter jets (roughly what they had at the end of Guardians, not the big ones) and destroys a lot of them before Ronin pretty much says fuck this noise and leaves.

She's Marvel protagonist strong, but a shitload of what you're hearing is overblown, imo.
 
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Did, gave it mediocre to good feedback (jokes that didn't land were the worst offender for me), but I found no real substance to the "OP Brie" claims. By the numbers, but "average" superhero movies haven't tanked so far and I'd be shocked if this broke that streak.

...she had no character development and she was pretty much where she was at the start of the movie, even with the implant on her neck she was OP.

Hmmmmm...
 
Remember to bring this up to him every time he discusses a movie that has females in it. Nobody who prefaces a review with "it wasn't made for me" has ever has anything truly meaningful to say that you couldn't find anywhere else.

I tend to like Kermode's reviews, even when I disagree with him. This was a poorly done review, though. He seems absolutely terrified to truthfully express his opinions. I wonder why ...
 
Incorrect. The cast of Alien were written without genders assigned in order to make casting, etc. easier as the movie was considered a risk and the studio wasn't sure who'd they'd be able to get.

This is actually a stronger argument for Ripley's character, as in that film she exhibits traits that would be identifiable for both men and women and therefore made her a better protagonist, as well as a greater surprise survivor compared to Dallas or Parker.





She’s too modest. Weaver has been vital to the Alien movies: she centres them, grounds them, gives them a Ripley who feels real. And if Ripley feels real, the science-fiction that spews around her also holds firm. Weaver/Ripley gave the entire enterprise credibility. It could, of course, have been so different. Ripley began as a standard-fit male hero and Weaver, 29 at the time, initially thought she was up for the role of screwy screamer Lambert.

“I just had a thought. What would you think if Ripley was a woman?” Ridley Scott asked a studio already discomfited by his peculiar vision for this sci-fi B-movie: all this weird biology and art. “She would be the last one you would think would survive — she’s beautiful.”

“Having pretty women as the main characters was a real cliché of horror movies,” O’Bannon told Cult People, “and I wanted to stay away from that. So I made up the character of Ripley, whom I didn’t know was going to be a woman at the time … I sent the people of the studios some notations and what I thought should happen and when we were about to make the movie the producer [Walter Hill] of the film jumped on it. He just liked the idea and told me we should make that Ripley character a woman. I thought that the captain would have been an old woman and the Ripley character a young man, that would have been interesting. But he said, ‘No, let’s make the hero a woman.'”


Also, the Ripley stand-in the earliest script was called MARTIN.
 
This review is nonsense. Kermode prefaced his review with "it wasn't made for me" and repeated that notion more than once. Then he forced himself to give it a half-way okay review.

Pretty sure all of the Zack Snyder DC movies weren't "made for him" either, but he never hesitated to eviscerate them.

(I cannot believe I am sort of sticking up for the DCEU ...)

EDIT: I am also remembering Kermode's epic smackdown review of Sex & The City 2. He tore that movie to shreds! However, I am pretty fucking sure that movie wasn't "made for him" either.
I somewhat like Kermode, but he is a complete hack when it comes to anything "political," its quite sad.
 
there isn’t, everyone brings up ripley and SC as legitimately good female protagonists in comparison to characters like rey, but you can’t get twitter clout from stupid people by being sensible

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Frankly, at this point in time, I don't think Twitter likes even matter. I mean, any idiot can just be all like "durr fuck the patriarchy" and a bunch of clapping seals will start dumping thousands of likes upon them for being so "brave".
 
I checked this movie out myself and I'd say it's more or less what people thought. Another cookie cutter MCU movie, not a standout like Winter Soldier or anything but it was serviceable. If you've seen some of the Endgame potential leaks then I can say for you that some of them are definitely given credence by Carol and her powers.

As others have said she's not Ultra Instinct in this movie in terms of power but she's about on par with Goku when he first arrives on Namek and humiliates the Ginyu Force or you could maybe compare her to Goku when he first goes Super Saiyan. Wouldn't be surprised though if she grows stronger in Endgame since she's been away from Earth for decades, like how we saw Thor grow in Infinity War with his new axe, on top of his power boost in Ragnarok.

I thought some stuff was a bit silly, like revealing how Fury lost his eye, that's one of those little things we didn't really need answered. I think Jackson really helped carry the movie though. The Skrulls felt wasted, as did Ronan, was kind of hoping if they were going to a boss battle it should've been here slugging it out with him until he was forced to retreat since he has to survive for GOTG.
 
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Okay guys, I've been seeing this typo repeatedly and it's starting to bug me.

His name is RONAN. Not Ronin. Ronin was one of Hawkeye's aliases (which was later borrowed by another character) and presumably who Clint is going around as in Endgame.

Plz stahp. Thx.
 

Even if they're made today, Seeing Ripley and Sarah Conner going from everyday people we all know and can relate to becoming badass that blows up planets full of aliens and destroy not just a old school terminator but almost destroys the nigh invincible T-1000 (and would had if she had one more shotgun shell) would still win over the masses.

Shit, a recent example of a character that starts off strong but still has to over come a serious struggle would be Furiosa in Mad Max 4. Even the other ladies pull their weight by the end. The only weirdos that don't care for that are whoevers still butthurt over George Miller seeking out a femenist for advice on the characters in that movie and in the end of the day who cares?

But Rey in SW and other current female characters? She immediately wins every situation. Laaaaame. It's just a power fantasy for sad women who never lived life.
 
Speaking of Furiosa, didn't everyone that saw that movie pretty much feel that she was better than Max?
I saw the movie, and while she's the character that gets the most screentime, she's the least compelling of the three leads (I'm assuming that Warboy counts as a lead, if only just.) She's kind of a screw-up, but doesn't have the internal depth to do anything interesting with that, so she feels like a pinball protagonist despite how active she is- Max gets so much more character stuff than her it's not even funny, both his guilt about his past and the scenes of quiet badassery.
 
Speaking of Furiosa, didn't everyone that saw that movie pretty much feel that she was better than Max?
Oddly, yes and no. Furiosa had plenty of skill, determination, and a sprinkle of luck (which never hurts; ask Napoleon). But during the three-way fight early in the movie, he gets the better of her while chained to Nux.

But it still took both of them to kill Immortan Joe, which is a lesson that sails right over most people's heads. That they needed each other's help to win in the end.
 

Alien and Terminator were original concepts. They weren't existing properties that got twisted around to make a political statement. No one started talking shit about fans. If Linda Hamilton or Sigourney Weaver said something retarded, that would only be in some New Yorker interview no one read. Now the world gets to hear Brie Larson say whatever bullshit that pops into her mind.

James Cameron was instrumental in making both Ripley and Sarah iconic characters. His latest project just came out a few weeks ago with another female lead. The only people butt blasted about Alita are the racist and sexist outrage media. Terminator and Alien would get the same type of critique if they were released today. Sarah is a final girl damsel who's only useful for her unborn baby in the first Terminator. Vasquez was played by a Jew in brown face. Trannies would claim the phallic designs of the Xenomorphs gives them PTSD and is literally responsible for 42 billion suicides.
 
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Incorrect, chucklenuts.

1) Sarah Conner and Ripley both had a movie beforehand to let us learn about them first and build their characters. They didn't just show up like Rey did and have the ability to do Jedi mind tricks and wield a lightsaber like a seasoned veteran within the first ten minutes, or Carol Danvers which has been in exactly none of the previous Marvel movies and now is apparently the most important character to the MCU.

2) Sarah Conner and Ripley, while obviously female, weren't thrust into the forefront of the media consciousness as that being their most important trait. No one said, "Ripley, FIRST WOMAN IN SPACE TO FIGHT A XENOMORPH," or "Sarah Conner, FIRST WOMAN TO FIGHT MURDER ROBOTS FROM THE FUTURE." Whereas on the other hand Captain Marvel's advertising, "From HER to HERO" is incredibly pandering.

3) Hey chucklenuts - I didn't see anyone bitch about Alita being a woman. That itself makes your argument moot.

4) I'm pretty sure next to no one would have been angry if Black Widow had her own movie. Pretty sure if Star Wars wanted to do expand their storyline and they made a movie about Mara Jade, fans would have been ecstatic. But nope. We get brand new characters which we know nothing about (at least in the cinematic universe standpoint), and told we MUST LIKE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE WOMEN AND THAT'S ALLLL THE REASON YOU NEED
 
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