Captain Marvel - Literally, from "her" to "hero"

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Are you actually going to watch this flick?

  • No

    Votes: 74 17.0%

  • Fuck, no

    Votes: 177 40.7%

  • Not in cinemas

    Votes: 81 18.6%

  • Yes

    Votes: 40 9.2%

  • (((Yes)))

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Twitter told me I must, I can't say no, you white-cis-sexist-oppresive scum!

    Votes: 43 9.9%
  • Total voters
    435
At least with Black Panther the last two black superhero comic adaptations (Spawn, Blade) were all from 10+ years ago. We already very recently had a bunch of media fawning over Wonder Woman.
 
You know, in kinda liked Carol's rebranding and redesign. I'm a huge fan of passing the mantle in comics. And I'd be ok with the new Ms Marvel if she wasn't pushed so good damn hard as the best new thing, and given a chance to grow.

But the butch helmet and mohawk looks fucking awful, it's awful in the comics and they AFAIK barely use it there because it's so awful, and Marvel at the moment would have a super hero run around with period stains showing through their costumes to seem woke.

Besides that sperging, the trailer does nothing to excite me for a movie I had little excitement for. I'm gonna see it, but I'm seeing Venom and Aquaman too, and I expect those to be worse.

They do however seem to be radically changing her origin from the comics, and that's counter to Marvel's outline for capeshit alchemy. Now, that format has been getting stale, it could be a good idea, but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Topical. Not to imply Carol is one note and always like this but it's hard picturing Brie like this.

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Jub-Jub said:
They'll need somebody charismatic to carry her if she only portrays somebody bored uninterested flat Stoic, look how quickly Marvel heroes all became quippy, fun iron-man.
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That's the thing, you can make a stoic character likable, maybe something along the likes of Clint Eastwood for example, but Marvel Studios can't seem to stop making quippy characters, and there is no way in hell a stoic feminist bait character can carry the marvel movies forward.
 
Part of me thinks the concept of "GI Jane with superpowers" could make for a good movie, but don't have any high hopes for this, especially after the trailer. I have the problem with my recent Marvel movies where they try way too hard to make things funny to the point where you can't take the moments of peril seriously (I had this problem with Thor: Ragnarok, Ant-Man and The Wasp and, to a lesser extend, Homecoming), but this looks like it will be overly drab and dramatic. Wonder how many cringy "you go girl" and "she will overcome" moments there will be.
 
Whatever they did to de-age Sam Jackson, I hope they fix it in post, because he looks like he's made of plastic. Seriously, something about that skin and hair is hanging it's feet over the edge of the Uncanny Valley.

Also, nice work introducing your hero cold-cocking a little old lady before introducing the fact that she's going up against shapeshifters.

And concur on the "Brie Larson looks bored." Honestly, she looks like a suburban soccer mom who got stuck with the job of chaperoning a kids' Halloween party, and is biting her tongue about the fact that she'd rather be anywhere else.
 
It's pretty clear that Marvel wants this film to be a Wonder Woman killer, but I think it really falls short. Wonder Woman has the advantage of being a cultural icon that the public has a basic awareness of, but the general public doesn't even know who Carol Danvers is. This trailer does very little to explain who Carol is aside from being an amnesiac to crashed through the roof of a Blockbuster circa 1996. Compare to the Wonder Woman trailer that shows Diana as an inhabitant of a hidden civilization, who ventures into Patriarch's World after Steve Trevor's plane crashes on her island home. Upon hearing of the outbreak of World War I, she decides to end the bloodshed and cue action scenes. It doesn't give specific details, but the image of Wonder Woman stepping out onto No Man's Land SOLD me on seeing the film. Nothing of the sort happens in the Captain Marvel trailer. Hell, Samuel L. Jackson has more lines than Brie Larson, who has the personality of a toaster. All I could glean from her was that Carol loves to assault senior citizens on the train. It shows snippets of her past, but nothing to tie them together. If the final product is anything like the trailer, it's going to be a clusterfuck.

The worst part of it is that there are diehard MCU fans who will defend this garbage as one of Marvel's finest efforts. When most of the marketing focuses on the fact that the lead protagonist is a woman after the competition accomplished that two years prior, you know that ideology came before character and story. The Entertainment Weekly article claimed that Carol was funny, but flawed. Don't fucking TELL me. SHOW it in the trailer and Marvel couldn't even to that!
 
Jetpack Himmler said:
It's pretty clear that Marvel wants this film to be a Wonder Woman killer, but I think it really falls short. Wonder Woman has the advantage of being a cultural icon that the public has a basic awareness of, but the general public doesn't even know who Carol Danvers is. This trailer does very little to explain who Carol is aside from being an amnesiac to crashed through the roof of a Blockbuster circa 1996. Compare to the Wonder Woman trailer that shows Diana as an inhabitant of a hidden civilization, who ventures into Patriarch's World after Steve Trevor's plane crashes on her island home. Upon hearing of the outbreak of World War I, she decides to end the bloodshed and cue action scenes. It doesn't give specific details, but the image of Wonder Woman stepping out onto No Man's Land SOLD me on seeing the film. Nothing of the sort happens in the Captain Marvel trailer. Hell, Samuel L. Jackson has more lines than Brie Larson, who has the personality of a toaster. All I could glean from her was that Carol loves to assault senior citizens on the train. It shows snippets of her past, but nothing to tie them together. If the final product is anything like the trailer, it's going to be a clusterfuck.

The worst part of it is that there are diehard MCU fans who will defend this garbage as one of Marvel's finest efforts. When most of the marketing focuses on the fact that the lead protagonist is a woman after the competition accomplished that two years prior, you know that ideology came before character and story. The Entertainment Weekly article claimed that Carol was funny, but flawed. Don't fucking TELL me. SHOW it in the trailer and Marvel couldn't even to that!
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You should've seen when they showed the trailer on Good Morning America. They tried tying it into the whole "We need more women in STEM" thing which feels a bit 2015-ish internet feminism and doesn't really have anything to do with the movie. Maybe you can tie the STEM thing to her being a former air force pilot or it featuring aliens but it's a serious stretch.

That segment was weird.
 
Puddleduck said:
To be fair, I don't think Marvel are pushing the female thing particularly hard? I know that magazine had "the future is female" on it, but that's all?
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As I recall that was the case with Blank Panther as well. The media were all kicking up a fuss about it but Marvel didn't really overplay the "It's a BLACK GUY everyone!" At least not in the advertising. Fuck, the villain was essentially a member of BLM dialed up to max crazy.
 
Shitassdeaddude said:
As I recall that was the case with Blank Panther as well. The media were all kicking up a fuss about it but Marvel didn't really overplay the "It's a BLACK GUY everyone!" At least not in the advertising. Fuck, the villain was essentially a member of BLM dialed up to max crazy.
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Is the "most powerful hero EVAHH!" stuff coming from the MCU itself, or is that just fans/sites using the comics as a source?
I'd say it'd be a mistake for the MCU to include that in their universe and marketing, as a)no-one really cares if a superhero is the most powerful, we generally like them because they and their powers look cool, and we like their personality. I'm not gonna like Spidey and less 'coz Stark is more powerful, for instance.
 
I’ll say now that this will probably be worse than Wonder Woman but better than Dr. Strange. The best part of the trailer was her punching that old bitch on ththe subway train even with the cringey “her = a Hero” thing and her shitty looking mask.

I really don’t care if they hype up Captain Marvel to a retarded level and make her he biggest Mary Sue of all time as long as she doesn’t get the finishing blow on Thanos next year. Thor should get the kill.
 
Puddleduck said:
Is the "most powerful hero EVAHH!" stuff coming from the MCU itself, or is that just fans/sites using the comics as a source?
I'd say it'd be a mistake for the MCU to include that in their universe and marketing, as a)no-one really cares if a superhero is the most powerful, we generally like them because they and their powers look cool, and we like their personality. I'm not gonna like Spidey and less 'coz Stark is more powerful, for instance.
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Absolutely the MCU. Carol is nowhere near the strongest Marvel cape and is actually in the same ballpark as Spider-Man if we're going by her acomplishments. That's still impressive as Spidey is shown to temporarily lift a building or a commercial jet but that's far from being super impressive among their peers.

The trick is she has the ability to absorb energy to boost her powers and her limits with it can jump her up to being Thor-strong but it's nowhere near the norm. Not like we have white holes just laying around. Still wouldn't be "the strongest ever".

Even the recent comics have more been overhyping her popularity as "Earth's Most Popular Superhero" than her being the strongest. Her popularity being questionable as her last notable act was punching Stark into a coma for disagreeing with her idea of jailing people for being potential criminals.
 
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RockVolnutt said:
Absolutely the MCU. Carol is nowhere near the strongest Marvel cape and is actually in the same ballpark as Spider-Man if we're going by her acomplishments. That's still impressive as Spidey is shown to temporarily lift a building or a commercial jet but that's far from being super impressive among their peers.

The trick is she has the ability to absorb energy to boost her powers and her limits with it can jump her up to being Thor-strong but it's nowhere near the norm. Not like we have white holes just laying around. Still wouldn't be "the strongest ever".

Even the recent comics have more been overhyping her popularity as "Earth's Most Popular Superhero" than her being the strongest. Her popularity being questionable as her last notable act was punching Stark into a coma for disagreeing with her idea of jailing people for being potential criminals.
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I occasionally watch D&C, but not always - what I've seen of Car(o)l Manvers from him makes her sound unbearable.
But someone who's potentially as powerful as Thor when she drains power from other things but is generally on the high end of middling is okay I guess, especially as she seems (I think?) to be alien too.
 
Puddleduck said:
I occasionally watch D&C, but not always - what I've seen of Car(o)l Manvers from him makes her sound unbearable.
But someone who's potentially as powerful as Thor when she drains power from other things but is generally on the high end of middling is okay I guess, especially as she seems (I think?) to be alien too.
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She's not lucky enough to be an alien. She's human and grew up in Boston. lol.

Don't mean to sound dismissive of the character, she's actually one of my favorite female Marvel characters but writers have a bad habit of trying to make her into a thing she's not. Like we never had a proper transition to her current characterization from what she was in the 2000s where she was an acknowledged fuck up who was trying to make it after having a chunk of her life wasted as she was trapped in Rogue.
 
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