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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679 (https://archive.ph/5Ba6o)

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
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So far as I know, the list of all petitions is this:

They have specific sub-lists for closed petitions, rejected petitions, etc. so I think this is all of them. There's an export in CSV or JSON link at the bottom and so far as I can see this is the second highest of all of them. I searched for "rejoin" and there are a few about rejoining the EU in different ways but none close to six million. Is it possible that petition was done elsewhere?
no idea why it isnt on your main list but:


edit: nevermind, sorted lol
 
Indeed, but I guess some 'experts' on Digital ID and data are woefully ignorant of Dark Web markets.
Yea because they don't need to know about them. They're almost all fbi honeypots nowadays. It's not the 2000s anymore, the dark web is 99% honeypots and 1% .onion alternatives to a .com site like this one. Every single illegal thing you could ever want is now just easier to buy/find on clearweb sites. If you want drugs you can buy shit on instagram or reddit in a few minutes if you try. If you want illegal porn then it doesn't take long to find that sort of stuff on twitter, there's been countless documented circles selling that shit out in the open. The vast majority of people talking about dark web shit are either children that think youtube is a credible source of information or glowies themselves trying to advertise their own honeypots.

If you want a fake id then you find the nearest romanian not the nearest onion farmer.
 
Yea because they don't need to know about them. They're almost all fbi honeypots nowadays. It's not the 2000s anymore, the dark web is 99% honeypots and 1% .onion alternatives to a .com site like this one. Every single illegal thing you could ever want is now just easier to buy/find on clearweb sites. If you want drugs you can buy shit on instagram or reddit in a few minutes if you try. If you want illegal porn then it doesn't take long to find that sort of stuff on twitter, there's been countless documented circles selling that shit out in the open. The vast majority of people talking about dark web shit are either children that think youtube is a credible source of information or glowies themselves trying to advertise their own honeypots.

If you want a fake id then you find the nearest romanian not the nearest onion farmer.
Controversial opinion but don't go paying random people on Twitter to produce CP or rape porn for you. Seems a very good way to end up behind bars. Then again it seems to be the sort of thing you're interested in so maybe that's the best place for you.

Twitter seems like a better honey pot than the dark web does because it's easy to monitor who interacted with what on social media. If someone stumbles across something and immediately leaves you know they're probably not a creep. If they start actively searching for more, following accounts and contacting people they're easy to track. How many cows do we see with a bunch of kids accounts being followed or favourited? Why go to the trouble of setting up honeypot dark web sites? Low hanging fruit is easy to find and the way to track TOR criminals is to own the nodes not the websites they go to. If you own the network's traffic you don't need to mess around with honey pots, the real websites do all the work for you.
 
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I always bang on about the police only caring about low hanging fruit, which has honestly made me curious how few weirdos tend to have the 'dark web' modifier, and makes me curious if it's actually just retards on TOR giving away their real name and ignoring basic OPSEC.

Because realistically, if someone has an alias, uses bitcoin and receives content that's non physical... there's far too many modifiers for the police to take it seriously. Imagine getting 90% through the investigation and realising the person is actually based in Bulgaria. On the flip side, the police could set up kidsgettingsmashedwithhammers dot com and arrest everybody who signs up with their credit card details.

Being BASED IN THE UK is one of the key things that gets the authorities on the trail of people, a name doesn't do shit without an address. Which is a shame really because none of us are actually in the UK, we're just Armenians larping as Brits.
 
Three months or less more like it - but that's just my opinion.
Whilst this would be nice and would save this country from importing the absolute shitheads in Calais, nah. it'll be the same as the Tories after Bowwis and his parties. The fact that both Labour and Tories are very far behind in the polls guarantees that all of their MPs (520 out of 650, by the way) won't vote to put themselves out of a job.

Starmer gone by March, replacement Prime Minister as far up to 2029 as humanly possible. Bunker mode as they set landmines for Reform's first government.
 
I always bang on about the police only caring about low hanging fruit, which has honestly made me curious how few weirdos tend to have the 'dark web' modifier, and makes me curious if it's actually just retards on TOR giving away their real name and ignoring basic OPSEC.
From what I've noticed from reading about how they catch people is that most people who get caught are too desperate or lazy to follow basic opsec. And those who do the basics but get caught usually forget or don't know about multiple ways you can get caught (KYC for buying bitcoin or downloading executables from undercover users/honeypots that log what you are doing).

Very rarely do they catch people when all the nodes the tor user uses are operated by authorities and the user performs an illegal action.

Imagine getting 90% through the investigation and realising the person is actually based in Bulgaria.
Depends on what country we talking about here. Authorities can share information to another country's authorities to deal with it on their end if they find out the user is outside their jurisdiction but the other country has the same laws, is in friendly terms and share info between each other anyways.
 
Very rarely do they catch people when all the nodes the tor user uses are operated by authorities and the user performs an illegal action.
This is one of those unknown unknowns. They're not going to tell you they own TOR nodes and use them to track people. The same way they hid they used commercial DNA registries to reference crime scene evidence for years. If you know they are doing it you will avoid using those services.
 
Three months or less more like it - but that's just my opinion.

Even the most ardent Labour supporter is now less than optimistic that Starmer will be PM in 2029 and we'll be going to the Polls long before then. One ex-Labour member recently said on GB News:

'It's ironic that the same idiots within my old party who shouted and screamed for a GE in 2024, in order to replace a wicked and corrupt Government, are now mealy mouthed about replacing a Government which is worse than the Tories.'

Before 2020, I'd have said that he'd have three to five years before a GE but now we're in a different and more angry, less patient and more volatile world.

Things are happening at a far greater speed and change is accelerating as well - it's not just from my side but also from the Left who are now hoping that Your Party can rival Reform UK. If they suddenly get the mass defection from Labour MP's or if Starmer kicks out anybody disloyal to him, then the Champagne can be put on ice.

Plus, as I've said before, name me an occasion in a Political Cycle in the modern age where a minority party is miles ahead in the polling a year and a few months after the last General Election.

Nobody can - it didn't happen until 2025. Therefore the 'rules of old' don't apply as we're not in the 'calmer' days of the 80s, 90s, 00s or 10s - we're in the worst decade since the end of World War II.

It might not even be a case of having a GE just so as to get Nigel in - one might be needed for the country to survive economically as we're headed for a recession worse than 2007.

Farage axing the debts and green taxes would save us from going over the cliff edge.

Reeves would drive over the edge and blame us for being wrong and then whine about a £135bn. black hole for 2026.
Once the new budget happens then we will get a general idea of when another general election will happen. If it is as bad as it's rumoured to be the we could actually see one before the end of 2026. The unthinkable may finally happen and Labours back bench may finally grow a spine but I won't hold my breath with that.

Starmer getting the boot is certain though, he's so hated by just about everyone at this point, even his own party to such an extent that him staying in command is untenable.
 
Controversial opinion but don't go paying random people on Twitter to produce CP or rape porn for you.
Didn't Shadman advertise on Twitter and other mainstream websites?

TikTok is the #1 website used to advertise channel crossings and how to do benefit fraud.
Then you move the conversation to telegram, whatsapp, etc.

The big obstacle is to know the keywords used and the language as these services are not advertised in English.

Are people that dumb to believe that currently, when you hire someone, you don't need to check that they have the right to work in the country? If they are not a citizen, you need to ask for the proper documentation. Same when you rent. How does adding this help?
Legal immigrants are the most likely people to have ID as they literally need one to come into the country (as it is an island, usually need a passport to use a flight).
 
I'm sure they can fuck off to another country and become a faceless drone for Facebook to lobby with.
They can do that when they lose their seat in 2029. This gives them four years to financially plan for an exit of the country; saving, liquidating assets etc.
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There's no mention of the Digital ID on the BBC websites' front page. Hiding it through shame or hoping people will forget?
 
There's no mention of the Digital ID on the BBC websites' front page. Hiding it through shame or hoping people will forget?
New digital ID will be mandatory to work in the UK
Digital ID will be mandatory in order to work in the UK, as part of plans to tackle illegal migration.

Sir Keir Starmer said the new digital ID scheme would make it tougher to work in the UK illegally and offer "countless benefits" to citizens, while his senior minister Darren Jones said it could be "the bedrock of the modern state".

However, opposition parties argued the proposals would not stop people crossing the Channel in small boats.

The prime minister set out his plans in a broader speech to a gathering of world leaders, in which he said it had been "too easy" for people to work illegally in the UK because the centre-left had been "squeamish" about saying things that were "clearly true".
Addressing the Global Progressive Action Conference in London - attended by politicians including Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney - Sir Keir said it was time to "look ourselves in the mirror and recognise where we've allowed our parties to shy away from people's concerns".

"It is not compassionate left-wing politics to rely on labour that exploits foreign workers and undercuts fair wages," he said.

"The simple fact is that every nation needs to have control over its borders. We do need to know who is in our country."

In a conversation following his speech, Sir Keir said he wanted the next election to be an "open fight" between Labour and Reform UK.

In response to the prime minister's speech, Reform UK said the public was "waking up to the fact Starmer is just continuing the Tory legacy of high taxes and mass immigration".

Despite having only five MPs, Nigel Farage's Reform UK party has been leading in the opinion polls for several months.

The prime minister suggested facing the challenge of Reform would be a big focus when he addresses party members at the Labour Party conference next week.
Sir Keir's government has been under pressure to tackle the issue of illegal migration, with more than 50,000 migrants arriving on small boats since Labour came to power.

Announcing his plans for the new digital IDs, Sir Keir said the scheme would "make it tougher to work illegally in this country, making our borders more secure".

He added: "It will also offer ordinary citizens countless benefits, like being able to prove your identity to access key services swiftly - rather than hunting around for an old utility bill."

Jones, who is the PM's chief secretary, said: "If we get this digital ID system working and the public being with us, that will be the bedrock of the modern state and will allow for really quite exciting public service reform in the future."

Another Labour prime minister, Sir Tony Blair, tried to introduce compulsory ID cards but the idea was scrapped by the Conservative-Lib Dem coalition in 2010.

However, Sir Keir has recently said he believes the debate has "moved on in the last 20 years" as "we all carry a lot more digital ID now than we did".

Labour believes its new proposal has public support, although more than a million people have signed a petition against the idea.

Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch said the plan would "do nothing to stop the boats" but would "end up being used against law-abiding citizens while crooks walk free".

She also expressed concern about the security of the data saying it would be a risk to put the information "in one database".

Liberal Democrat leader Sir Ed Davey said his party would "fight tooth and nail" against the scheme which would "add to our tax bills and bureaucracy, whilst doing next to nothing to tackle channel crossings".

Some campaign groups have also objected to the plan, with Liberty arguing it raised "huge concerns" about mass surveillance, while Big Brother Watch said it would make the country "less free".

However, former Labour Home Secretary Lord Blunkett argued the reforms were not strong enough.

"I'm mystified because we are living in an era of conviction, high-profile, shake-the-tree politics, and this looks like a whimper," he told BBC Radio 4's, World At One.

"And I'm mystified that people haven't come out with a highly coherent view of why we need it, why it would be beneficial to individuals."
The government has said it wants to ensure the scheme works for those who are not able to use a smartphone and will launch a consultation on how the service will be delivered later this year.

The consultation is expected to last three months, with legislation being introduced to Parliament early next year.

There will be no requirement for individuals to carry their ID or be asked to produce it, Downing Street said.


However, digital ID will be mandatory as a means of proving right to work in the UK by the end of the Parliament, expected to be 2029 at the latest.

The new digital ID will be held on people's phones, in a similar way to contactless payment cards or the NHS app.

It is expected to include a person's name, date of birth, nationality or residency status and a photo.

The consultation will also consider whether additional information such as an address should be included.


Employers already have to carry out checks on prospective candidates.

However, it is understood that officials have been exploring whether a digital ID scheme could reduce the use of fake documents and provide a more consistent approach to verifying workers' identity.

The government said the roll-out would eventually make it simpler to apply for services like driving licences, childcare and welfare - as well as streamlining access to tax records.

A Reform UK spokesperson said that government plans were a "cynical ploy to fool voters that something is being done about illegal immigration".

The SNP-led Scottish government has said it is "opposed to the introduction of any card that is compulsory to have, compulsory to carry or that anyone can demand to see, including that of a digital ID".

First Minister of Northern Ireland, Michelle O'Neill, called the proposal "ill-thought out" and "an attack on the Good Friday Agreement and on the rights of Irish citizens in the North of Ireland".

What do people think about digital ID plans?​

BBC Newsbeat has been asking young people for their thoughts on the government's plans.

Emlyn Jenkins, 23, is against digital IDs, describing the plan as "fascistic and horrible".

"How will people who are homeless be affected if they don't have access to a smartphone or they don't have access to consistent internet?" she asked.

Arianwen Fox-James, 20, says she can see some practical benefits but is uncomfortable with the idea of a "centralised hub of all the data".

"If the government really wanted to deal with people working illegally, they'd make the immigration process easier and they'd make it more accessible for people," she says.

Amy, 22, says she and her friends would welcome having digital ID on a night out.

"It's the one thing people do forget," she says. "But if it's on your phone, people always have it in their hand."

But she also worries about data safety. "Every time these things get launched they get hacked," she says. "Everyone hacks everything."
It was a small aside from yesterday as it was apart of his larger speech at the conference I think.

There's no cope regarding the wording on the fact they're probably going to get created, but the fact carrying them around isn't mandatory, I do fail to see what the point of them is other than to give off airs of actually doing something. A while back I compared them being mandatory in the same way National Insurance numbers are "mandatory". They will have an ID made for you that exists nebulously on some server somewhere containing: "a person's name, date of birth, nationality or residency status and a photo" (From the article).

The issue I already see is the photo requirement, which effectively means they'll just have a new service that puts in one place info the government already has on you, and to finalise and gain access to this ID you'll probably have to prove your identity (which is the point of these IDs to begin with???) and then provide an up to date photo. It reminds me of Government Gateway or HMRC accounts which allow you to access an account online containing pertinent info like that (Gateway lets you see your NI number, which those digital IDs supposedly wouldn't).

Whether or not they'll actually go ahead with them is contingent on:
(1) A consult, which is taking place over the course of 3 months.
(2) Whether or not the legislation actually gets introduced afterwards in 2026 (If/when it does, it'll be interesting to see how it gets tinkered with by the House of Lords, same way the Lords made the OSA a bit less worse than it was originally)
(3) Whether or not Starmer will still be here in the next few months.

If the BBC shows people are 90% negative to the idea, then some Labour MP (maybe Burnham) may call the idea retarded to earn from brownie points.
 
I've stumbled across some sort of lefty conference/festival - lots of strange specimens doing talks about whatever grievance politics they specialise in. There was a flyer being handed out basically saying that the trade unions (for this part of the country at least) "no longer consider Labour representative of the working class" and that there is now an "emergency due to lack of political representation" - sounds like some of the big unions no longer consider Labour the natural recipient for the funding they have to offer.

Apparently there is going to be a big conference next month to discuss this. Labour reps will "be invited to attend and defend Labour's record", but this doesn't sound good for them.

Obviously the optics are terrible if Labour loses the support of the trade unions, but will it make much difference to their warchest if that funding source disappears? I don't know what proportion of union money makes up Labour's yearly costs.
 
Obviously the optics are terrible if Labour loses the support of the trade unions, but will it make much difference to their warchest if that funding source disappears? I don't know what proportion of union money makes up Labour's yearly costs.
Labour got more donations than other parties combined (30th May - 4th July 2024) - 9.5 million
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Political parties accept almost £100m in donations in 2024 (1st October - 31st December) - 1.4 million
List of biggest current Labour donors revealed as party lags Tory fundraising (January - March 2025) - 2.4 million
The latest data from the election watchdog covers the first quarter of 2025, between January and March.
Lords minister and former Labour general secretary Reginald Collins was by far the biggest individual donor.
Unite general secretary Sharon Graham may be critical of a number of the party’s recent policies, but the union still notably gave Labour more than £400,000, more than any one individual donor.
While companies made up a relatively small amount of Labour donations so far this year, Starmerite think tank Labour Together gave the most, including more than several trade unions, donating almost £100,000.
Most of the donors’ gifts were in cash, but some were payments in kind.
Labour received the second highest number of donations of any party, at £2.4 million after the Tories, who received 3.4 million despite Kemi Badenoch’s troubles.
Despite Reform leading both parties in the polls, Nigel Farage’s party received £1.5 million in donations overall.

Biggest individual donors:​

  1. Reginald Collins £350,000.00
  2. Maqbool Ahmed £75,180.00
  3. Richard Swann £50,000.00
  4. Amin Hemani £50,000.00
  5. Waheed Alli £35,000.00
  6. Jason Stockwood £20,000.00
  7. Robert Latham £15,000.00
  8. Jennifer Clifton £10,000.00
  9. Robert Latham £5,000.00
  10. Gordon Dalyell £5,000.00
  11. Antony Gormley £4,500.00
  12. Martin Littler £3,000.00
  13. Ian McLaughlin £2,500.00

Biggest trade union donors:​

  1. Unite £414,610.52
  2. Unison £347,562.68
  3. GMB £229,448
  4. CWU £101,205.93
  5. ASLEF £28,404.29
  6. USDAW £16,827
  7. FBU £11,725.00
  8. CTU £11,541.79

Biggest company donors:​

  1. Labour Together £98,726.32
  2. SSE PLC £22,400
  3. Scotia Gas Networks Limited £4,400.00
  4. PG Paper Company Limited £3,928
  5. London Hotel Group Limited £3,750.00
  6. Scottish and Southern Energy Power Distribution Limited £3,200.00
  7. Invicta Public Affairs £3,000
First three weeks of donation data show that money is attracted to power
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It's a substantial proportion. They are to Labour what companies are to the Conservatives. Except even when the Conservatives are biting the dust, they still receive a bizarre amount of individual donations compared to Labour, who are largely kept afloat by union donations.

You can find financial statements here, as well as donation info here.
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TLDR: Yeah, Trade Unions make up the bulk of Labour donations during off-seasons (non-election years).
Possibly a third of Labour's funding source is unions during a "good year" being conservative with estimates.
 

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Should the Unions move to back Corbyn, as is being mooted, then Labour will be in big trouble.

Defunding Labour means yet more bad news for Starmer.


Some afternoon news:

Man bundled away into police van in dead of night and arrested for social media post




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Labour-run council defeated in 'war on fun' attempt to shut beer garden at much-loved London pub




Council tax to rise by maximum amount allowed as households to be hit by £9.4bn raid, Labour admits




Centuries-old ash wins Tree of the Year 2025 - after 'expert panel' ignored it




New figures reveal thousands of officers on mental health leave as federation warns number of police off work could be 'far bigger'




Nottingham attacks inquiry was 'politically motivated', police watchdog staff told officers




Furious parents slam shocking study which asked 11-year-olds about gender and sexuality




JK Rowling finally responds to Emma Watson olive branch amid trans row as she mocks actress




Noel Clarke 'arrested' as police spend hours searching former Doctor Who star's home




Kneecap rapper's terror charge thrown out by court ruling




'Breaks my heart': Farmers head to Labour Party Conference to protest inheritance tax changes and food security




English village terrorised by 'gang of foxes' sets traps to catch troublemaking vermin




'Asylum seeker' from Gaza 'tried to meet schoolgirl, 14, for sex - who turned out to be decoy'




Legal action launched against pub which 'banned gay men for questioning LGBTQ+ orthodoxy'




NHS doctor who 'denied Holocaust and celebrated October 7 attack' keeps job despite referring to Hamas gunmen as 'martyrs':




@femboy fart huffer Interesting, though I don't use those sites and have no need for drugs etc. You are probably right about the Dark Web sites (and I only have a limited knowledge of them) though I doubt there's any clearweb sites for Hitmen (NOT that I have the need for one - wish to disavow for Big Brother's sake...)
 
Man bundled away into police van in dead of night and arrested for social media post

https://www.gbnews.com/news/pete-north-man-police-van-arrested-social-media-post
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This story is worth digging deeper into.

"The officer in the interview said: 'Well, firstly, let's start with the meme,'" Mr North recalled. "You posted a meme that said f*** Hamas."

The 47-year-old continued: "I said, 'yeah, I did post a meme that said, f*** Hamas because Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation internationally, including in Britain. Just so we’re on the same page, you do know who Hamas are?
"And he just looked gormlessly and shook his head.
"And so you don’t know anything about October 7?"
"I briefly explained to him what happened at the Nova music festival. He was totally oblivious.
"If you're going to arrest people for memes you probably need to pay more attention to current affairs."
The blogger also vowed that he stood by the contents of the image - and revealed how officers also questioned him on whether he knew that Tommy Robinson had shared the image online too.

He said: "I was asked whether I intended to incite racial hatred by posting the meme. I replied that Islam is not a race. I had not intended to stir up racial hatred... I simply agree with the premise of the meme."
"Nobody should be facing police inquiries for posting memes on Twitter," he vowed.
Mr North went on to speculate that police will not charge him - but said: "This exercise is not to win convictions. It’' to terrorise people like me into thinking twice about posting spicy memes."

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And my favourite bit..

He went on to detail how his a form of tourettes left him having an "autism episode" at the hands of police.
He later added: "I'm not saying this to in any way mitigate any alleged offence or in preparation of any future litigation.
"I'm saying this because it is a matter of public concern that the police are completely ignorant in their understanding of autism and related conditions. That ignorance will end up killing somebody more vulnerable than me."

He has... autistic tourettes? What the fuck is that?
 
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