I figured I'd start this thread in a similar manner to the Swedish one, about a topic of considerable importance this weekend which we all forgot about.
General elections are scheduled to be held in Brazil on 7 October 2018 to elect the President, Vice President and the National Congress. Elections for state Governors and Vice Governors, state Legislative Assemblies and Federal District Legislative Chamber will be held at the same time.
So, who do you think is going to win? Will @AN/ALR56 come back to life and educate us? Polls looks quite good for Bolsonaro as God-Emperor of the southern half of the New World.
Based Roger Waters getting boooed after protesting in a local show:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Na6jlxn_ExkIn other news Haddad is getting smarter and changed his logo to remove Lula's name and change the red to the colors of the brazilian flag.
Well someone learned a little of PR, they are still flagged as communist so a new skin is not going to help, i expect the same thing happening in mexico with Manuela and PT rebranding themselves to look less communist and try to avoid being compared to Venezuela
Well someone learned a little of PR, they are still flagged as communist so a new skin is not going to help, i expect the same thing happening in mexico with Manuela and PT rebranding themselves to look less communist and try to avoid being compared to Venezuela
I'm going to laugh if they label Maxime Bernier as a fascist because as far as I know about that Canadian guy, he is far from fascism and authoritarianism. He's very libertarian with nationalism and just wants Canada to make sense with less taxes and federal bureaucracy. Maxime Bernier is actually very tolerable compared to his rivals because he doesn't race-bait and speaks for all Canadians for Canadians. He doesn't seem to criticize other countries much either since he's all for Canada and only for Canada.
I'm going to laugh if they label Maxime Bernier as a fascist because as far as I know about that Canadian guy, he is far from fascism and authoritarianism. He's very libertarian with nationalism and just wants Canada to make sense with less taxes and federal bureaucracy. Maxime Bernier is actually very tolerable compared to his rivals because he doesn't race-bait and speaks for all Canadians for Canadians. He doesn't seem to criticize other countries much either since he's all for Canada and only for Canada.
I'm amazed the left have, so far, shown enough restraint to not call for open military action against all these fascist nations...... but only probably because they didn't get Hillary.
Haddad is too pathetic to win this election, his campaign and behavior just on the last week proves he can't even stand on his 2 legs anymore:
-Pulled off most the articles from PT official site endorsing Maduro.
-Proudly displayed his alliance with the terrorist Guilherme Boulos from PSOL(someone who got less than 1% of votes on the first round)
-Made 2 defamatory tweets against Bolsonaro and his supporters, just to delete 5 minutes later because they were from dubious sources.
-Still going after groups on WhatsApp, already got cockblocked by the justice once.
-In a desperate attempt to get the conservative vote, allied with the catholic church, and now claims to be pro-gun and pro-life, his vice did not like the idea that much.
-Is mimicking Alckmin's Bolsonaro's campaign since he changed his slogan.
-On his first campaign ad on the second round, used a dubious incident about a teenager getting kidnapped by 3 Bolsonaro supporters just to carve on her an inverted nazi swastika with no deep cuts.
-Is failing to pull Ciro Gomes voters to his side, Ciro's vice is having sociopathic attacks against Haddad on twitter going full #ITWASHISTURN, and Ciro's brother was invited on a recent PT rally just to hijack it to call PT loyalists tools for believing in Lula and screaming that PT will lose badly.
Bolsonaro is winning by an almost 15% difference on the polls, and most people believe he can win this election on the comfort of his couch at home without the need of going to debates anymore.
I'm amazed the left have, so far, shown enough restraint to not call for open military action against all these fascist nations...... but only probably because they didn't get Hillary.
Because anyone not a good and in-line leftist globalist is a fascist, how many times do they have to scream it until you get the point?!
-In a desperate attempt to get the conservative vote, allied with the catholic church, and now claims to be pro-gun and pro-life, his vice did not like the idea that much.
Bolsonaro is winning by an almost 15% difference on the polls, and most people believe he can win this election on the comfort of his couch at home without the need of going to debates anymore.
If the church backs Haddad and shills for him over the next two weeks, he might have a chance. Something similar happened in the Austrian presidential election a year or two ago, where the Church denounced the anti-immigrant candidate and endorsed the open borders one. Despite enjoying a good lead in the polls, the anti-immigrant candidate ended up losing by a clear margin.
This originates from a BBC news article in Portuguese (WayBack Machine, archive.is) talking about how David Duke praises Bolso in his talk show or whatever. Well, Bolso is sure as hell not being a great white supremacist by allying himself with Israel, and even someone like Duke knows that. Guess we won't see concentration camps full of people wearing striped pajamas and stars on their chests just yet. Oh well, at least we'll get to kill the trannies :^)
Bonoro himself goes on Twitter to deny this accusation:
I reject any kind of support coming from supremacist groups. I suggest that, for consistency, they support the candidate of the left, that loves segregating society. To exploit this to influence an election in Brazil is a stupid thing! It's not knowing the Brazilian peope, the most miscigenated people in the world.
The problem is that in 2017 you said "There'sno story of secular state. It's a Christian state, and whoever that is against can move out. Let's make Brazil for the majority, the minority needs to bend over to the majority". That's supremacist speech, of the Ku Klux Klan
To be honest, that talk is legitimately worrying. But I doubt he was talking from a supremacist point of view, he's simply being an populist in that moment.
These tactics against the dude are steadily getting more flakey. It's just like Cid Gomes (Ciro's brother, they are bunch of family political oligarchs from Ceará) said: "You gonna lose badly."
This originates from a BBC news article in Portuguese (WayBack Machine, archive.is) talking about how David Duke praises Bolso in his talk show or whatever. Well, Bolso is sure as hell not being a great white supremacist by allying himself with Israel, and even someone like Duke knows that. Guess we won't see concentration camps full of people wearing striped pajamas and stars on their chests just yet. Oh well, at least we'll get to kill the trannies :^)
Bonoro himself goes on Twitter to deny this accusation:
To be honest, that talk is legitimately worrying. But I doubt he was talking from a supremacist point of view, he's simply being an populist in that moment.
These tactics against the dude are steadily getting more flakey. It's just like Cid Gomes (Ciro's brother, they are bunch of family political oligarchs from Ceará) said: "You gonna lose badly."
While it's pretty clear that Bolsonaro isn't a racial supremacist, you have to agree it's slightly concerning that the guy is willing to declare the death of separation of church and state and imply that minorities shouldn't have the same rights as the majority, even if it's for the sake of populism.
I know that in a vacuum a lot of the things Bolsonaro does don't sound that bad, but taken as a whole he comes across as an authoritarian extremist with a fetish for the military: it's the questionable statements regarding minorities, the compliments made towards the dictatorship, the dismissal of any atrocity committed by the regime as mere necessity and simultaneously the glorification of the fact that they tortured and killed political dissidents, the "kill them all and let God sort them out" approach to crime, the similarities of his current party's slogan with the slogan of Salazar's Estado Novo, and all of this isn't relegated to any one isolated incident, he's kept it up consistently throughout his career, which leads me to believe these are his actual beliefs.
I guess it shouldn't really come as a surprise that when you offer people the choice between a leftist dictatorship that promises to become more like Venezuela and a right wing one that promises to end the crime wave, a lot of people will choose the right wing one. Media brainwashing is only so powerful in the face of actual issues and real world examples that are right next door.
I mean, if you want to go and defend dictatorships on the grounds of reducing crime, then you can't really make much of a distinction between left-wing and right-wing, since the reason dictatorships tend to be so "safe" is because the government must constantly assert its position as holding the monopoly on force to preserve itself, so things that directly undermine the state's supposedly absolute authority, such as organized crime or organized movements holding different political ideals, have to be eliminated with extreme haste.
Even then, just because there's less crime that doesn't mean dictatorships are superior, after all, I could make the argument that the Soviet Union had less violent crime than the United States of America, and I'd be correct, but that doesn't mean the USSR was better than the USA. If you're going to argue for authoritarian regimes, at least do it properly.
WhatsApp, the Facebook-owned messaging app, is one of the main tools that Brazilians use to keep in touch with friends and family, and do business. Increasingly, it is also a part of politics. A recent poll found that 44 percent of voters in Brazil use WhatsApp to read political and electoral information. Unfortunately, in the lead-up to the first round of the presidential election on Oct. 7, the app was used to spread alarming amounts of misinformation, rumors and false news.
With just a few weeks before the runoff vote on Oct. 28 between the far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro and his left-wing opponent Fernando Haddad, there is still time for WhatsApp to make temporary changes to the platform to reduce the poisoning of Brazilian political life. The company must be decisive before it is too late.
There have been positive developments in the fight against false news in Brazil. Ours is one of 17 countries where Facebook has third-party fact checkers trying to weed out misinformation from the platform’s News Feed. Facebook and Google have also collaborated on an initiative called Comprova, gathering 24 Brazilian newsrooms to debunk misleading links, videos and images.
But these efforts seem to have pushed dirty campaigns elsewhere, in particular to WhatsApp, where activity consists of encrypted personal conversations and chat groups involving up to 256 people. Such chat groups are much harder to monitor than the Facebook News Feed or Google’s search results.
From Aug. 16 to Oct. 7, we collected and analyzed posts in 347 chat groups that are open to the public and focused on Brazilian politics. This is just a small sample of the estimated hundreds of thousands of chat groups that millions of Brazilians use every day to gather information. Our study, which was conducted as a joint project by the Federal University of Minas Gerais, the University of São Paulo and the fact-checking platform Agência Lupa, revealed how misinformation spreads.
It is difficult to establish to what extent these misinformation campaigns are affiliated with political parties or candidates, but their tactics are clear: They rely on a combined pyramid and network strategy in which producers create malicious content and broadcast it to regional and local activists, who then spread the messages widely to public and private groups. From there, the messages travel even further as they are forwarded on by believing individuals to their own contacts.
From a sample of more than 100,000 political images that circulated in those 347 groups, we selected the 50 most widely shared. They were reviewed by Agência Lupa, which is Brazil’s leading fact-checking platform. Eight of those 50 photos and images were considered completely false; 16 were real pictures but used out of their original context or related to distorted data; four were unsubstantiated claims, not based on a trustworthy public source. This means that 56 percent of the most-shared images were misleading. Only 8 percent of the 50 most widely shared images were considered fully truthful.
The problem of false news in Brazil transcends ideological divides.
Mr. Bolsonaro’s supporters shared several images describing politicians — including those from the center right — as “communists.” The most widely shared image from our sample was a black-and-white photo of Fidel Castro and a young woman. The description accompanying the picture claims the woman is former President Dilma Rousseff, and the text accompanying it suggests Ms. Rousseff was Castro’s pupil, a “socialist student.” The young woman in the photo, however, is not Ms. Rousseff. The picture was taken in the United States in April 1959, when Ms. Rousseff was only 11. Yet such images are effective in smearing Ms. Rousseff and the Workers’ Party — of which Mr. Haddad is a member — in a country where there is much antipathy to communism among the middle class.
The false news spread by Mr. Haddad’s supporters is generally somewhat different. These messages tend to distort Mr. Bolsonaro’s positions on taxes and the minimum wage, often using exaggerated data. But some anti-Bolsonaro messages on WhatsApp are outright conspiracy theories: After Mr. Bolsonaro was stabbed at a campaign event on Sept. 6, Mr. Haddad’s supporters shared pictures of the candidate entering a hospital smiling, suggesting he had staged the attack. The image, however, was taken before the stabbing.
The alarming flow of distorted information can be mitigated. If WhatsApp changes some of its settings in Brazil from now until Election Day, Oct. 28, it can reduce the spread of lies. Moreover, these simple changes can be made without impinging on freedom of expression or invading users’ privacy.
WhatsApp should undertake three measures immediately:
Restrict forwards. This year, after the dissemination of rumors on WhatsApp provoked lynchings in India, the company put restrictions on the number of times that a message could be forwarded. Globally, the number of forwards was reduced to 20, while in India it was reduced to five. WhatsApp should adopt the same measure in Brazil to limit the reach of disinformation.
Restrict broadcasts. WhatsApp allows every user to send a single message to up to 256 contacts at once. This means that a small, coordinated group can easily conduct a large-scale disinformation campaign. This could be prevented by limiting the number of contacts to whom a user could broadcast a message.
Limit the size of new groups. New chat groups created in Brazil during the next two weeks should have a limit on the number of users. This wouldn’t affect existing groups.
We contacted WhatsApp this week and presented these suggestions. The company responded by saying that there was not enough time to implement the changes. We disagree: In India, it took only a few days for WhatsApp to start making adjustments. The same is possible in Brazil.
Our country is in a decisive political moment. Mr. Bolsonaro’s extreme right-wing positions — including his contemptuous positions on human rights and his nostalgia for the military dictatorship — have led many voters to fear for the future of our country’s democracy. Many other voters worry that Mr. Haddad seems to be following orders from Luis Inácio Lula da Silva, the former president who is now in prison on corruption charges.
With such high stakes and such a polarized debate, Brazilians should not be casting their votes on the basis of false or distorted information. None of our proposals would require WhatsApp to limit its operations or impede Brazilians’ ability to communicate with friends and family. We are suggesting only that the company temporarily impose some restrictions to stop the spread of fake news and dangerous rumors ahead of a critical election.
Cristina Tardáguila is the director of Agência Lupa, a fact-checking platform. Fabrício Benevenuto is a computer science professor at the Federal University of Minas Gerais. Pablo Ortellado is a public policy professor at the University of São Paulo.
Haddad's whining finally worked, thanks to the based dindu nuffin boys from the fact checking agency "Lupa", it is reaching mainstream worldwide, the Superior Electoral Court (TSE) is already working on what actions to take, and even brazilian journalists are already suggesting possibilities to make more like India's take on the subject.
With 10 days left, Haddad requested the arrest of a busineesman because based Folha de Sao Paulo made an article with 0 sources about businees executives funding fake news on Whatsapp in favor of Bolsonaro.
The busineesman in question:
Haddad also claimed he really wants to spread his buttcheeks to Ciro Gomes in a possible round 2 without Bolsonaro:
And finally claimed that Bolsonaro went on a secret dinner to discuss about his campaign on WhatsApp, using Piaui Magazine as his source.
The magazine in question:
With everything reaching peak autism and Bolsonaro claiming he won't go to any further debates on the second round, I think there is no more need to report about this trainwreck until the election day.
Just dropping in to say Mike Godwin is sperging like a fucking lunatic on Twatter today saying Bolsonaro is the second coming of Adolf Hitler on this gay earth.
Detail: 13 is the number of the commu... workers' party here in brazil.
These false flags are unbelievable. What's the point to paint swastikas everywhere on a country where 99% of the population has nigger blood in their veins? Those guys want to copy everything from US and end up worsening what was already ridiculous.
