Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

[stuffandthings]

See, I don't think you're in the minority. I think you share the same opinion with the group that started watching/reading AoT later in its life as opposed to the people who were with it from the beginning.

What I mean is that the points you bring up weren't at all talked about back when the series was first started. It was quite the opposite really.

When discussion of what the world outside the walls was talked about back then, it was almost never about how the outside world was some horrible place, or anything. Sure, there fringe ideas of their being bigger monsters like dragons, or some shit out there, but they were never anything like we actually saw in canon.

No, the main ideas about what would happen if the characters finally saw the outside world was basically either about how they were going to be so happy to be free, and see the beauty of the outside world, and feel so accomplished, and shit, and that everything was worth it.

The other one was that that once they got there, they wouldn't even be able to enjoy it because of how traumatized, and riddled with PTSD they were. The beauty, and wonder of the outside world didn't erase all suffering that happened to them, or their loved ones, and even though they ended up making it in the end, it didn't feel like did anything at all.

It was such an interesting contrast, and one that makes what actually happened just feel cliche. It's also why Eren's character is yet another huge waste of potential because he's literally the only character to be acting like how a good chunk of the fanbase thought the characters would be acting, at least at first.

However, once the Marley arc happened you started seeing people comment on the things you mentioned, and it really casts light upon how this was never really noticed by the fandom until then. Were they red herrings, or were they just appearing now appearing to be that because huge newbie boom that happened because of the Marley arc, and because they weren't here from the beginning, so the massive genre-shift didn't have such a huge effect on them like it did for the ones who were?

I dunno. I dunno if you even fall into the category I said, but you did give me something to think about, so I thank you for that.

Yeah. I came into this so late in the game, and really I'm glad I did, because I never got attached to where I wanted it to be heading until the very very end. When I jumped on, I'm not kidding, the Rumbling had just started, and I binged my way through the anime first and then caught up via the Manga.

Going back and rewatching it recently with dubs instead of subs just for some background noise, it really hits home that things like a world outside that hates them and Eren turning into emo Hitler, were always where we were heading. Eren bitchiness about the outside world being shit is the in universe equivalent of the people who wanted the show to just be steampunk spidermen vs naked baby godzillas.

People that want a drastically different anime original ending are not only getting high of high grade copium, but don't get how part of the theme of the story is the cycle of violence can never be ended with a drastic act of violence. That's why the idea of Paradis getting airbombed 100 years or whatever after the fact doesn't even bother me that much. (The tone of the last chapter is fucked beyond belief though. No arguments there)

But it fits the theme that looking for any final solutions is a toxic endeavor. From the dumb king trying to make his little Utopia by mindwiping people, to the Marleyans trying to take back the founder, to Zeke with euthanasia, to Willy with World War Paradis, to Eren with genocide. All these dumb know it all assholes fucking over the world with their savior complexes. The best people in the story (Pixis, Jean, etc) are the ones that do what they can to make things better in the now, with the humility to realize it's neither perfect nor final.

It's kind of like the end of Parasyte for me. First anime protag is gonna kill the helpless villain alien because he's the righteous avenger destroying the bad guy who was trying to kill him, Then he has a change of heart and realizes that he is just a human being in no position to judge the goodness or evilness of the villain alien dude, because the alien dude was just acting in his nature.

THEN he realizes that the monster is a danger to the friends and family he loves, and he decides to kill it. Not from a place of judgement or moral superiority, but just as a creature killing another creature to protect what it loves. He kills it, but he's not playing god anymore.

AOT has a lot of that, humans playing god. Even the whole Helios thing is wrapped up in that. Helios, a sun god, a hero to save the world. But everyone who tries to become the god who saves the world in the story accomplishes nothing but death and destruction.

Makes me think a lot about Historia, how she refuses the offer to become a God to save the world, and even as queen just shows up to meetings, and then heads back to her farm to frolic with orphans and fuck unnamed farmers. That's what all the Historia and Ancient Ymir symbolism was about to me. Both of them just wanted to be normal girls who were loved, and instead both of them became symbols of power for regimes with their own agendas.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

@stuffandthings

The issues with the people wanting an AOE is that they don't want one that ultimately fixes the real problems with the ending like the worldbuilding, consequences of the Rumbling, all the weird shit, etc. They don't want to fix any of the issues you, and others have pointed out.

They just want it so Eren comes out on top while also not being seen as the bad guy, but don't even do things to make it so that can remotely be the case.

The ending they want is still bad, but it's one where their guy wins so it doesn't matter, and that's why it's so laughable.

And to be honest, I'm not sure when these people actually started watching/reading the series. Looking back on it, this kind of behavior wasn't a thing in the fandom until the final arc, but then again, there was nothing in the series beforehand to really create it, so I don't really know.

What I do know is that your final point about Historia and Ymir is another big reason why an AOE (specifically the one AnR claims to be the one that was originally supposed to happen) makes absolutely no sense.

At the end of the day, Historia and Eren are complete opposites. Eren is incredibly selfish to the point where he'll destroy the entire world because it's not what he wants it to be whereas Historia is selfless almost to a fault.

Why would Historia be remotely interested in a monster like Eren? Why would she have a baby with him? Why would she even tolerate him at all after all he's done?

Answer: she wouldn't. She wants to be loved, but not by a creature like Eren, and especially not at the cost of her friends', and other people's lives, and on some level the authors of AnR know this which is why they twisted her into their shitty version of Mikasa because it's the only way their relationship can even possibly work.

That, and watching people throw a tantrum because things didn't turn out like they wanted them to just like their self-insert did is also really funny, too.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

@stuffandthings

The issues with the people wanting an AOE is that they don't want one that ultimately fixes the real problems with ending like the worldbuilding, consequences of the rumbling, all the weird shit, etc. They don't want to fix any of the issues you, and others have pointed out.

They just want it so Eren comes out on top while also not being seen as the bad guy, but don't even do things to make it so that can remotely be the case.

The ending they want is still bad, but it's one where their guy wins so it doesn't matter, and that's why it's so laughable.

And to be honest, I'm not sure when these people actually started watching/reading the series. Looking back on it, this kind of behavior wasn't a thing in the fandom until the final arc, but then again, there was nothing in the series beforehand to really create it, so I don't really know.

Wait I do know is that your final point about Historia and Ymir is another big reason why an AOE (specifically the one AnR claims to be the one that was originally supposed to happen) makes absolutely no sense.

At the end of the day, Historia and Eren are complete opposites. Eren is incredibly selfish to the point where he'll destroy the entire world because it's not what he wants it to be whereas Historia is selfless almost to a fault.

Why would Historia be remotely interested in a monster like Eren? Why would she have a baby with him? Why would she even tolerate him at all after all he's done?

Answer: she wouldn't. She wants to be loved, but not by a creature like Eren and especially not at the cost of her friends', and other people's lives, and on some level the authors of AnR know this which is why they twisted her into their shitty version of Mikasa because it's the only way their relationship can even possibly work.

That, and watching people throw a tantrum because things didn't turn out like they wanted them to just like their self-insert did is also really funny, too.

The Erenwanking as some sort of nationalist hero came around when Eren destroyed the declaration of War ceremony, a mistranslated line about how Eren was desperate for any solution to save "his people" when it was really just flexing about how the military needs reliance on him and his brother, and then that shirtless Eren panel when he escaped prison making them think he was a chad.

There were other factors of how /pol/tards heavily identified with Eren (back when they thought of him as a patriotic nationalist who wants to save his country) + Floch and thinking Historia's pregnancy would mean some massive plot twist of Eren being a daddy.

 

[Random Internet Person]

That is still my favorite part about all of this. The entire last arc of AoT defeats the entire main purpose of AoT. It takes the entire goal of wanting to see the outside world, and literally just says-
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-and that is fucking hilarious.

They shit on that dream, after already achieving it.

 

[stuffandthings]

@stuffandthings

The issues with the people wanting an AOE is that they don't want one that ultimately fixes the real problems with the ending like the worldbuilding, consequences of the Rumbling, all the weird shit, etc. They don't want to fix any of the issues you, and others have pointed out.

They just want it so Eren comes out on top while also not being seen as the bad guy, but don't even do things to make it so that can remotely be the case.

The ending they want is still bad, but it's one where their guy wins so it doesn't matter, and that's why it's so laughable.

When I'm highest on my own copium I'm fantasizing that the ending will fix the tone and pacing problems by restructuring a little, similar to the Uprising Arc in the Manga vs the Anime. It really felt like in the Anime he got a chance at a second draft there, and while a few fun conversations were lost, it comes across much better as a whole.

Will it happen? I don't know, but I can dream.

I think it's funny how ending apologists and ending haters can unite in laughing at the impotent incel tears of the Eren Skinwalkers.

 

[Protistology]

@stuffandthings

The issues with the people wanting an AOE is that they don't want one that ultimately fixes the real problems with the ending like the worldbuilding, consequences of the Rumbling, all the weird shit, etc. They don't want to fix any of the issues you, and others have pointed out.

They just want it so Eren comes out on top while also not being seen as the bad guy, but don't even do things to make it so that can remotely be the case.

The ending they want is still bad, but it's one where their guy wins so it doesn't matter, and that's why it's so laughable.

And to be honest, I'm not sure when these people actually started watching/reading the series. Looking back on it, this kind of behavior wasn't a thing in the fandom until the final arc, but then again, there was nothing in the series beforehand to really create it, so I don't really know.

What I do know is that your final point about Historia and Ymir is another big reason why an AOE (specifically the one AnR claims to be the one that was originally supposed to happen) makes absolutely no sense.

At the end of the day, Historia and Eren are complete opposites. Eren is incredibly selfish to the point where he'll destroy the entire world because it's not what he wants it to be whereas Historia is selfless almost to a fault.

Why would Historia be remotely interested in a monster like Eren? Why would she have a baby with him? Why would she even tolerate him at all after all he's done?

Answer: she wouldn't. She wants to be loved, but not by a creature like Eren, and especially not at the cost of her friends', and other people's lives, and on some level the authors of AnR know this which is why they twisted her into their shitty version of Mikasa because it's the only way their relationship can even possibly work.

That, and watching people throw a tantrum because things didn't turn out like they wanted them to just like their self-insert did is also really funny, too.

Wanting the main character to be a hero isn't weird when reading a Shounen manga. What's bizarre is expecting his love interest to be other than the first girl that loves him. It's like thinking Naruto was going to end up with Sakura or Ichigo with Rukia. It's Shounen bro, of course it's going to be Mikasa.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Wanting the main character to be a hero isn't weird when reading a Shounen manga. What's bizarre is expecting his love interest to be other than the first girl that loves him. It's like thinking Naruto was going to end up with Sakura or Ichigo with Rukia. It's Shounen bro, of course it's going to be Mikasa.

The thing with Attack on Titan fans however is they don't act like Attack on Titan is a shounen manga and act like it's super deep layered political drama and boast how it subverts typical shounen cliches

 

[verissimus]

How did we even get here? No seriously, did Isayama find whatever dealer sells Kojima his shit? I feel for whatever poor intern has to deal with the speds on Twatter after the Final Episode crushes any hopes of AoE.

This entire series should’ve just ended when they reached the Ocean. Would it’ve left a plot line or two floating unresolved, sure, but goddamnit it was a good place to end the series.

That or have the ending being them seeing a Plane or Ship or something equally autistic in the distance, use it for sequel bait…

Kojima is on a whole different kind of drug than whatever Isayama is on. At least Kojima usually gives us something that's dumb, probably a bit pretentious but ultimately fun. Attack on Titan is dumb, pretentious, and is only fun to mock.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Plus Kojima haves the decency to show not tell the players the "Who, What, When, Where, Why, and How" when he does his stories. Something Isayama completely failed at with AoT post time-skip.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

 

[Bunny Tracks]

It's once again Sasha's birthday, and all I have to say is that in addition to everything else, an AOE will also not undo the travesty that was her death, or the trainwreck that was her family's reaction to it.

 

[Operator Core]

I just fucking love the bonus chapters showing stealth bombers blowing up Paradis, fuck any message the story had.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=A-1g3c8Ypac

"Minor editing differences fill me with hopium".

This whole AOE stuff strikes me as absolutely desperation for an alternative ending that would frankly be worse than the original. Drama will be good either way though.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

It's once again Sasha's birthday, and all I have to say is that in addition to everything else, an AOE will also not undo the travesty that was her death, or the trainwreck that was her family's reaction to it.

Her family's reaction wasn't the worst, though it should've been handled better instead of Isayama immediately wanting to use them to tell a message, since like yeah it is a call back to a speech the father gave to her in season 2, but there should've been some time, like hell her father didn't even need to be like "REEEEEEEE GABI YOU MUST DIE" since Kaya and Niccolo already had that role, he could've expressed disappointment than immediately making a speech. Honestly the only thing more insulting is when she is used as one of the many dead characters that Erenfags would say "SHE'D SUPPORT THE RUMBLING AND NOT BE A TRAITOR!"

But fuck she was one of the few characters from AOT I'd call great for the fact she really balanced the cast with her comedy and probably had one of the most badass moments in the series where she faced a titan with very primitive weapons to save a girl. Her death was just the lazy trope of "OH LOOK THE COMIC RELIEF DIED, NOW THE STORY IS DARKER!" bullshit that hacks use to show that their story is darker now. At least her moment in the last chapter with her ghost was fine.

It doesn't help between Sasha and Connie (the comic relief character Isayama did want to be super popular instead of Sasha), Sasha had a lot more that could've been offered since she's one of the few characters who has something concrete to care about from the outside world. Whereas Connie when the opportunity came up was gung-ho about throwing some child to see Mommy again while the apocalypse happened. Like if it wasn't for the bullshit with Eren and even Armin to some degree, Connie easily would be the worst character in the series.

But poor Sasha, may she join in the eternal asskicking of Eren and have food in whatever weird afterlife the Survey Corps are in.

 

[verissimus]

Very late, but when you guys say AOE, you're saying that there are people out there that want the Attack on Titan equivalent to...End of Evangelion...right?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Very late, but when you guys say AOE, you're saying that there are people out there that want the Attack on Titan equivalent to...End of Evangelion...right?

They basically want Attack on Titan to have an anime original ending where Eren wins

 

[Random Internet Person]

want the Attack on Titan equivalent to...End of Evangelion...right?

Would that be better than what we got?

 

[verissimus]

Would that be better than what we got?

Unlikely for me considering I hate pretentious convoluted BS like End of Evangelion. I doubt I would even find the Attack on Titan equivalent to be unironically funny.

 

[Syaoran Li]

It's once again Sasha's birthday, and all I have to say is that in addition to everything else, an AOE will also not undo the travesty that was her death, or the trainwreck that was her family's reaction to it.

Potato Girl was best girl and she will be missed.

Her family's reaction wasn't the worst, though it should've been handled better instead of Isayama immediately wanting to use them to tell a message, since like yeah it is a call back to a speech the father gave to her in season 2, but there should've been some time, like hell her father didn't even need to be like "REEEEEEEE GABI YOU MUST DIE" since Kaya and Niccolo already had that role, he could've expressed disappointment than immediately making a speech. Honestly the only thing more insulting is when she is used as one of the many dead characters that Erenfags would say "SHE'D SUPPORT THE RUMBLING AND NOT BE A TRAITOR!"

But fuck she was one of the few characters from AOT I'd call great for the fact she really balanced the cast with her comedy and probably had one of the most badass moments in the series where she faced a titan with very primitive weapons to save a girl. Her death was just the lazy trope of "OH LOOK THE COMIC RELIEF DIED, NOW THE STORY IS DARKER!" bullshit that hacks use to show that their story is darker now. At least her moment in the last chapter with her ghost was fine.

It doesn't help between Sasha and Connie (the comic relief character Isayama did want to be super popular instead of Sasha), Sasha had a lot more that could've been offered since she's one of the few characters who has something concrete to care about from the outside world. Whereas Connie when the opportunity came up was gung-ho about throwing some child to see Mommy again while the apocalypse happened. Like if it wasn't for the bullshit with Eren and even Armin to some degree, Connie easily would be the worst character in the series.

But poor Sasha, may she join in the eternal asskicking of Eren and have food in whatever weird afterlife the Survey Corps are in.

Pretty much this.

Hell, if you were going to do the trope of killing off the comic relief to make the story feel even darker, then Connie would've been a much better choice for that.

At least Sasha had a lot more genuine potential. If her character was to become more serious as the story went on instead of dying in the most bullshit way, it'd be a lot more believable and workable with the story than with Connie.

Then again, all of this hinges on having a competent and non-coked up writer at the helm and not Hajime Isayama.

 

[The Fair Lady]

Sasha's death really marked the beginning of when Isayama started to go full retard.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Potato Girl was best girl and she will be missed.



Pretty much this.

Hell, if you were going to do the trope of killing off the comic relief to make the story feel even darker, then Connie would've been a much better choice for that.

At least Sasha had a lot more genuine potential. If her character was to become more serious as the story went on instead of dying in the most bullshit way, it'd be a lot more believable and workable with the story than with Connie.

Then again, all of this hinges on having a competent and non-coked up writer at the helm and not Hajime Isayama.

Yeah like Sasha had more genuine moments even before the timeskip and was even one of the few characters who were very friendly with Mikasa if we were to exclude their badass moments.

Connie was pretty much a background character who before his only major moments that were his own was just helping with the "Humans are titans" twist which really could've been fulfilled by any other character or a background character even. He was pretty much just there and he wasn't even that funny of a character except for his moments with Sasha and making a joke about Eren's house in the Return to Shiganshina arc.