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Miel67 said:
There was a one issue/2 panel crossover by one of the manga artists in which Beatrice oversees one of the Higurashi arcs. I can only recommend it for beatrice's rape face at the end.
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Ah, so it's not officially released, then. Probably won't ever be like a couple of the other Higurashi manga like the Heart-Healing one-volume manga.

Lucky bastard, I only have the 2nd volume of Legend of the Golden Witch.
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I started getting them around Christmas shortly after completing the Higurashi manga, so it was still early on think when the fourth episode was being released. I kinda like collecting manga as they're being released lol makes me feel like I'm keeping on top of things.

But the second volume of Episode 1 was super good, though. I had already seen the anime a few years prior, but the pacing was different, and I like Kei Natsumi's art style, he(?) just hits all the right notes and more, and knows how to make it gory.
 
I liked Oyasumi Punpun, while it was pretty bleak it was also pretty funny. Is anybody reading Dededemons? I haven't kept up with it since it introduced the whole time travel shenanigans but the feelings the story seems like its pretty apt for whats going on nowadays.
 
Truthboi said:
I still disagree because

- Both of your first points are what the Fate route was about. Artoria was a major player in that route and that was her story. Her story in Zero is actually out of character for her as she is way more honor-bound than usual and Urobuchi uses Zero to bully Artoria because while he is a good writer, he really loves to break honorable characters. Hell he glorifies Iskander as a better ruler than Artoria despite his rule being destroyed once he dies while Artoria was a strong king for Britain and her only flaw was being out of touch or too kind to her knights. Aside from that Artoria was a pretty ruthless ruler as shown in the Fate route which Zero ignores and treats her like a child despite being an adult.

- Illya's major character moments are in the Fate and Heaven's Feel routes, the movies cut most of it out along with Kirei's moments in favor of Sakura which makes sense but does injustice to their characters. Hell the most she got in Zero was just being a cute child instead of the sadistic mentally deranged child she is in the Fate route

- Kirei's evilness was meant to make you unsure and the scale of how fucked up he is which is the twist and the grail was never outright revealed to be bad until near the end of the Fate route. Also HF's big twist was Sakura and Rin being related as well as Sakura being the master of Rider/the real heir of the Matou's.

- The thing with Shirou's hate is that everyone expected him to be Kerry 2.0 or complain he was a generic "shonen protagonist" which given how Shirou's characterization in the anime is subtle to a degree compared to the VN, these complaints have manifested. Sieg's issue was that he was a bland protagonist in a cast of much more interesting characters along with how he had gotten stronger.

TL;DR Read the VN
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I've read the VN, repeatedly. Are you saying I didn't?

- No, not really. It's in character with her rigid chivalry as the king of knights, Shirou never puts her in the positions Kiritsugu did. But as we've both mentioned, there isn't a Fate route adaptation, which means something has to fill in the gaps in back story that you got through FateZ. Iskander was a better king. He understood people, Artoria didn't. That's why Lancelot went mad and Modred betrayed her. Iskander's people followed him after death and his kingdom didn't fall apart while he ruled it.

- Oh, I'm boiling if they don't do the bring Illya back scene. I'm torn, because I want her to get her resolution. Your a Kirei person from your avatar? I think judging from the trailer we'll get his most important scenes somehow squeezed into 3. But they should have just done a full series like with UBW and FZ. Cute child? Watch Zero again, Sakura's last scene is her with dead eyes watching the only person who gave a damn about her be eaten by bugs while saying that's what you get for crossing grandfather.

- Your throwing allot out there. He was the bad guy, it was obvious. Clearly, as I said, we don't agree.

- Oof. Unpopular opinon. Sieg wasn't bland. He was someone who was a homunculus who discovered humanity over the show. As for power levels, there is plenty of explanation why he does what he is does. It's the same as Shirou being able to solo Gil.
 
jspit said:
I've read the VN, repeatedly. Are you saying I didn't?

- No, not really. It's in character with her rigid chivalry as the king of knights, Shirou never puts her in the positions Kiritsugu did. But as we've both mentioned, there isn't a Fate route adaptation, which means something has to fill in the gaps in back story that you got through FateZ. Iskander was a better king. He understood people, Artoria didn't. That's why Lancelot went mad and Modred betrayed her. Iskander's people followed him after death and his kingdom didn't fall apart while he ruled it.

- Oh, I'm boiling if they don't do the bring Illya back scene. I'm torn, because I want her to get her resolution. Your a Kirei person from your avatar? I think judging from the trailer we'll get his most important scenes somehow squeezed into 3. But they should have just done a full series like with UBW and FZ. Cute child? Watch Zero again, Sakura's last scene is her with dead eyes watching the only person who gave a damn about her be eaten by bugs while saying that's what you get for crossing grandfather.

- Your throwing allot out there. He was the bad guy, it was obvious. Clearly, as I said, we don't agree.

- Oof. Unpopular opinon. Sieg wasn't bland. He was someone who was a homunculus who discovered humanity over the show. As for power levels, there is plenty of explanation why he does what he is does. It's the same as Shirou being able to solo Gil.
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Well I honestly was confused and thought you were an anime-only.

- I can give you that, but the DEEN adaptation is honestly a serviceable adaptation if you exclude the weird stuff they pull from UBW/HF because if you ignore that, then Artoria's story was handled well, it's just that there was no Ufotable adaptation which would be needed as a lot of the Fate Route's other issues as there was a lot of exposition in it that was covered by Zero. As for the other stuff, Iskander was a good king but his rule was more of a cult of personality and fell afterwards. Artoria's was a clusterfuck given there were a lot of outside factors and her being out of touch. So I sort of agree but mildly disagree.

- I was speaking of Illya as Illya in Zero served no other role than to be a cute child character and don't really show much of how she really acted like they did in the Fate route. As for Sakura, I never really contested with it as Sakura's role in the story is actually conveyed well in the movies given she was more of a background character in the first two routes. Kirei though did have a portion of his backstory cut and the movies are each limited by being 2 hours each, honestly would've been better for an OVA adaptatin.

- I mean Kirei was not presented as outright evil in the Fate route, he was more shady than anything until they actually do reveal it. Though I can see it being obvious given Joji Nakata is notorious for playing villain roles and Rin's distrust in him which could be seen as suspicious.

- Well that's more of the common fan opinion of Sieg, not my own. I found Sieg a serviceable character but fans really hated him for percieved blandness. Shirou had the same treatment as Zero-fans acted like he was the typical shonen protagonist (which he wasn't though if they watched the dub I could see their complaints)
 
Miel67 said:
I indeed do like Gil, so I will watch immediately.
It is the 2006 adaptation;guess I'll have to drop it. not the first time DEEN fucks up when it comes to visual novel adaptations...Umineko no Naku Koro Ni. oh MAN. :(
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I don't know that you can be too hard on DEEN for Umineko. There's just so much to adapt, you'd have to have a long series to do it right. On the other hand, given how it ends, most of what you think matters doesn't, but I think that's because Ryukishi tricked most of us into trying to solve the wrong mystery. The VN is still fantastic and even if I don't like how it ended, I'd recommend it.
 
More AWS-8Q Than You said:
I don't know that you can be too hard on DEEN for Umineko. There's just so much to adapt, you'd have to have a long series to do it right. On the other hand, given how it ends, most of what you think matters doesn't, but I think that's because Ryukishi tricked most of us into trying to solve the wrong mystery. The VN is still fantastic and even if I don't like how it ended, I'd recommend it.
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Y'know, I'm gonna bite the bullet and go to Nyarneth's YouTube channel where he has a "Let's Read" Playlist. hell, I'm such an autistic fan of Umineko that I crossed it over with BLEACH, let that sink in. I already got spoiled plenty by the morons at TV Tropes, that I hope I won't be too jaded. wish me luck fellow kiwis! 😆
Ihihi.
 
Truthboi said:
Well I honestly was confused and thought you were an anime-only.

- I can give you that, but the DEEN adaptation is honestly a serviceable adaptation if you exclude the weird stuff they pull from UBW/HF because if you ignore that, then Artoria's story was handled well, it's just that there was no Ufotable adaptation which would be needed as a lot of the Fate Route's other issues as there was a lot of exposition in it that was covered by Zero. As for the other stuff, Iskander was a good king but his rule was more of a cult of personality and fell afterwards. Artoria's was a clusterfuck given there were a lot of outside factors and her being out of touch. So I sort of agree but mildly disagree.

- I was speaking of Illya as Illya in Zero served no other role than to be a cute child character and don't really show much of how she really acted like they did in the Fate route. As for Sakura, I never really contested with it as Sakura's role in the story is actually conveyed well in the movies given she was more of a background character in the first two routes. Kirei though did have a portion of his backstory cut and the movies are each limited by being 2 hours each, honestly would've been better for an OVA adaptatin.

- I mean Kirei was not presented as outright evil in the Fate route, he was more shady than anything until they actually do reveal it. Though I can see it being obvious given Joji Nakata is notorious for playing villain roles and Rin's distrust in him which could be seen as suspicious.

- Well that's more of the common fan opinion of Sieg, not my own. I found Sieg a serviceable character but fans really hated him for percieved blandness. Shirou had the same treatment as Zero-fans acted like he was the typical shonen protagonist (which he wasn't though if they watched the dub I could see their complaints)
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heh, I wish, no I'm the full monty. HA, Tsukihime, the full bag.

I'm conflicted over Redline currently.

-I'd love a UFOtable adapt of the Fate route, I just think they're bored of FSN and want to move on. Maybe five or ten years down the road.

-Eh, that's okay. Artoria saw herself as a failure, which was the purpose of her seeking the grail.

-Oh, was confused. Happens, thanks for clarifying. The most complex route getting only 6 hrs compared to the 30 or so for UBW and FZ is criminal.

-And the music, I didn't trust him from the outset, but I had cheat codes cause he's built on a certain Garden of Sinners character.
 
So I read Cutie Honey for the very first time, not really knowing what I was going to get into outside of it being a classic magical girl series--only read it because I thought seeing the Cutie Honey collection sitting alone on the Barnes & Noble shelf for months was disrespectful to the man's legacy, so I finally decided to buy it, and I dunno if the store has other copies on hand or not. Now I haven't even started watching the anime yet, was kinda wondering how that series got to be toned down to be able to air on television lol. But boy did that escalate quickly, I gotta say, but there were still some goofy Go Nagai moments (as well as some freaky moments that made me think a Devilman crossover was plausible) that made it a fun read. Odd pacing at times, but I appreciate what it set the standard for for magical girl anime, especially when it came to villain designs. Panther Claw looks stupid, but damn, they're pretty badass.

Think the people whining about the manga missed the entire point, or are those who have never looked further into Go Nagai past Devilman. They'd fit right in with the parent groups who've tried to cancel Go over and over again. It does look like Go like abandoned the series back then, though? Or that he had no idea how to end it or continue it. Like it's interesting how short it is, and yet it went on to spawn a franchise. So guess the story really did continue in anime form, huh?

While the art's striking, I had to constantly look over my shoulder, though. It took a couple of hours or so to read and I wasn't always going to stay in one corner of the room the entire time, y'know.
 
This was celebrated almost a week ago.
Anyone else celebrate it?


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sasazuka said:
I'll be sure to give this Ichigo Mashimaro series a try sometime then.

Have you ever seen Minami-ke? The first season is from the same studio, Daume, and it has a somewhat similar dry sense of humour although with many differences, most importantly how each of the three sisters is in a different level of school and therefore there's a much larger supporting cast of characters.

Mitsuboshi Colors features kids around the same age as Matsuri and Ana and I strongly suspect the original mangaka, Katsuwo, might have been an assistant to Ichigo Mashimaro's Barasui as both manga, which run in the same magazine, Dengeki Daioh, had a very similar style, with another major clue being that Ichigo Mashimaro became a lot more infrequent around the same time that Katsuwo started publishing his own manga, starting with Eureka Seven AO followed by Hitori Bocchi and then Mitsuboshi Colors. Meanwhile, Barasui's art style in Ichigo Mashimaro has noticeably shifted towards being much softer than the solid linework it had up to November 2012.

Mitsuboshi Colors has more of a clothesline plot than Ichigo Mashimaro, with the "Colors" being the self-proclaimed protectors of Tokyo's Ueno Park and they have interactions with adults, a rare sight in Ichigo Mashimaro, that are more reminiscent of Yotsuba &! than the one fifth grade teacher in Ichigo Mashimaro who is always punishing that one character whose name I forget for seemingly no reason at all.

Gabrleil Dropout by Ukami, another Dengeki Daioh title that got an anime adaptation, is a little like what Ichigo Mashimaro would be if the characters were angel and demon girls on Earth (which actually kind of happened once in Ichigo Mashimaro proper when Miu bumped her head doing a backflip and dreamed of the afterlife) and has another major parallel to Ichigo Mashimaro in that both series take place in the same city, Hamamatsu, Shizuoka Prefecture, which is the largest city in Japan outside of Tokyo in terms of area but which is only 20th in terms of population.
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Surprised you didn’t mention Hidamari Sketch.
I like that one as well.
 
albertbrown26 said:
Surprised you didn’t mention Hidamari Sketch.
I like that one as well.
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I'm aware of it but I think I tried watching an episode around a decade ago (or maybe it was just a chapter or two of the manga) and I just wasn't feeling it. Same deal with Kiniro Mosaic which is superficially similar to Ichigo Mashimaro in terms of being "Cute (Japanese and British) Girls do Cute Things" but with the twist in Ichigo Mashimaro being that Ana Coppola forgot how to be British. Or Italian (although I don't think Barasui ever has Ana mention being obviously part Italian due to her surname).
 
So what is the order to watch Fate? Just reading all that shit gave me a headache and I'm not up for playing a 50 hour VN

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Fuck it, I'm just going with Stay/Night
 
Secret Asshole said:
So what is the order to watch Fate? Just reading all that shit gave me a headache and I'm not up for playing a 50 hour VN

EDIT:
Fuck it, I'm just going with Stay/Night
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Zero, Bladeworks and the Heaven’s Feel movies are the only things worth watching if you don’t plan on diving headfirst into the massive ocean of shitty Fate spinoffs.
 
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