7/23/2016 DNC Email Leaks - Confirming what we already knew

20,000 emails were leaked from the Democratic National Committee.
The emails show that the DNC has been shilling for Hillary from the very start, including collusion between several media outlets (what a fucking surprise).
The current DNC chair is refusing to speak at the national convention after this.
Twitter has reportedly made attempts to censure the #DNCLeaks hashtag.
I thought this was a big enough thing to make a separate thread on, merge this with the general politic thread if it's not enough.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

If she loses to that the only good thing is it will put a stake in the bitch's political career once and for all. You don't lose to that and have any future.

I'm gonna get a kick out of watching the democrats play the blame game and pretend their actions had nothing to do with it. If Clinton loses it's not just her political career that's fucked, the democrats in general are done. Trump will pack the supreme court with members of the heritage foundation and he's going to veto their shit to hell. And that's assuming downticket republicans don't win congress, which they might.

The American political left is crumbling under the weight of its own arrogance

 

[melty]

So, when do we start beheading rich people? It's been a long time coming imo but people keep pussying out.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

I'm gonna get a kick out of watching the democrats play the blame game and pretend their actions had nothing to do with it. If Clinton loses it's not just her political career that's fucked, the democrats in general are done. Trump will pack the supreme court with members of the heritage foundation and he's going to veto their shit to hell. And that's assuming downticket republicans don't win congress, which they might.

The American political left is crumbling under the weight of its own arrogance

A possible if unlikely outcome. My money is still on the Republicans collapsing first. Regardless, whoever outlasts the other will become "king" for awhile.

 

[Splendid]

A possible if unlikely outcome. My money is still on the Republicans collapsing first. Regardless, whoever outlasts the other will become "king" for awhile.

Nah, this has happened before. The surviving party will split up along its ideological fault lines and join up with members of the other party to form a new party. It won't even take a full election cycle. The other alternative is that a minor party suddenly gains a lot of new voters. I see four possibilities:

• Republicans collapse. Socialists split off from the Democrats. Republicans join the Democrats, who suddenly decide that gun control isn't all that important to them.
• Democrats collapse. Republicans split up along either Christian vs. secular or social vs. economic conservative lines.
• Republicans collapse. Social conservatives survive as a regionally important 3rd party. Libertarians become a major party. Eventually, the Libertarians absorb the old Republicans.
• Bernie Sanders pulls off some crazy shit and people start to vote for the Greens en masse. The Democrats collapse. Things are chaotic for a while.

Either way, this is one of the most irrelevant elections in history. Whoever wins will be isolated and hated by their party and will get nothing done. They're unlikely to get a second term either.

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Nah, this has happened before. The surviving party will split up along its ideological fault lines and join up with members of the other party to form a new party. It won't even take a full election cycle. The other alternative is that a minor party suddenly gains a lot of new voters. I see four possibilities:

• Republicans collapse. Socialists split off from the Democrats. Republicans join the Democrats, who suddenly decide that gun control isn't all that important to them.
• Democrats collapse. Republicans split up along either Christian vs. secular or social vs. economic conservative lines.
• Republicans collapse. Social conservatives survive as a regionally important 3rd party. Libertarians become a major party. Eventually, the Libertarians absorb the old Republicans.
• Bernie Sanders pulls off some crazy shit and people start to vote for the Greens en masse. The Democrats collapse. Things are chaotic for a while.

Either way, this is one of the most irrelevant elections in history. Whoever wins will be isolated and hated by their party and will get nothing done. They're unlikely to get a second term either.

Very informative, but allow me to restate myself. I only meant to imply that during the temporary chaos, the more intact side of the political spectrum is likely to hold the throne for a little while as their opposition reorganizes itself. This is likely to go by quickly on both counts, but could result in some very interesting quirks of history or weak but symbolically significant laws. That said, my money is still on a Republican split/collapse/division whatever we choose to call it. The democrats will probably use their Pyrrhic victory to drift a little further back to the right.

 

[Hyperion]

This has been bizarre. An elderly Jewish socialist was a serious contender, meanwhile an orange reality television star has been nominated to run against the wife of a former president.

I want off this ride. I'd vote for CWC before either one of these clowns.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Either way, this is one of the most irrelevant elections in history. Whoever wins will be isolated and hated by their party and will get nothing done. They're unlikely to get a second term either.

Don't be so sure. The executive in the modern age is far more powerful than people give them credit for. Thing is they're usually smart enough not to openly abuse that power. If you look at how Bush used the Office Of Legal Council to legitimize torture you'll get a good picture. When it comes to foreign policy, the intelligence establishment, and the military the president doesn't really have to answer to congress as much as people would like to think.

More than that there's a Supreme Court seat on the line, and some of the other justices are getting towards the end of their careers (RBG specifically). Now the supreme court actually IS powerful on a domestic level. Arguably the most powerful body in this country. It's unelected, they serve for life, and their decisions more or less become binding law. They have been at the forefront of some of the most significant changes in this country's history for a reason. Whoever wins this election is going to ensure that their policies are represented on the court, and the result is that this country is going to have to basically contend with that for decades to come.

These people can do a lot in 4 years without having to work with anybody else. Little of it is positive.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Can we vote for like a do-over? Just redo the election, but with different candidates?

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

More than that there's a Supreme Court seat on the line, and some of the other justices are getting towards the end of their careers (RBG specifically). Now the supreme court actually IS powerful on a domestic level. Arguably the most powerful body in this country. It's unelected, they serve for life, and their decisions more or less become binding law. They have been at the forefront of some of the most significant changes in this country's history for a reason. Whoever wins this election is going to ensure that their policies are represented on the court, and the result is that this country is going to have to basically contend with that for decades to come.

Strangely enough, out of all of the discussion on Kiwi Farms surrounding this particular U.S. election, I feel like this hits the nail on the head. The average American seems to underestimate the power and significance of the Supreme Court, which is ironic for a nation so litigious as the United States. The consequences of any supreme court appointments, should they be confirmed, will have an enormous effect on the American Republic and by extension the global community. This isn't alarmist end-of-the-world talk, it's just a fact. The high courts of America have real influence. In that regard, while this election probably isn't going to alter world history (except insofar as every modern U.S. administration does simply by virtue of governing the world's greatest empire) it will affect the future of a lot of people in unpredictable ways, even if only on the day-to-day level.

In some ways, day-to-day changes can be the most significant. No wars, coups, collapses, or reforms required.

 

[Jaimas]

More and more evidence is coming out that the fix was in for Clinton from the start. Disseminated data is purportedly already showing a pay-to-play scheme in place to throw Hillary's biggest donors to cabinet positions, active attempts to attack Sanders when he accused the DNC (rightly) of being on the take, and attempts to hedge out Jimmy Carter out of fear that he could prompt more free thinking from the base.

Even more alarming, this information is being dumped en masse from Reddit, as active attempts to control the damage of these leaks is becoming known.

Most distressing of all: Wikileaks has made very clear that this is only the beginning of these leaks, and that another, far bigger one, is in the wings waiting to be unveiled.

It seems like a higher-stakes version of Gamergate, all over again, with the guilty party just as fucking incompetent, for which, I suppose, we should all be thankful. What a fucking bizarre world we live in.

 

[NQ 952]

More and more evidence is coming out that the fix was in for Clinton from the start. Disseminated data is purportedly already showing a pay-to-play scheme in place to throw Hillary's biggest donors to cabinet positions, active attempts to attack Sanders when he accused the DNC (rightly) of being on the take, and attempts to hedge out Jimmy Carter out of fear that he could prompt more free thinking from the base.

Even more alarming, this information is being dumped en masse from Reddit, as active attempts to control the damage of these leaks is becoming known.

Most distressing of all: Wikileaks has made very clear that this is only the beginning of these leaks, and that another, far bigger one, is in the wings waiting to be unveiled.

It seems like a higher-stakes version of Gamergate, all over again, with the guilty party just as fucking incompetent, for which, I suppose, we should all be thankful. What a fucking bizarre world we live in.

I swear to fucking christ if Hillary starts a patreon after all of this

 

[XYZpdq]

At the office CNN is on in the lobby, and they're very concerned about this possible interference in the US political process

Spoiler: caused by

Russia. Because it might be Russia telling people about the things the the Dems did. Obviously the people who actually did stuff aren't to blame, just the (alleged) messenger

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I swear to fucking christ if Hillary starts a patreon after all of this

She already did

https://www.clintonfoundation.org

 

[Some JERK]

The now former chair of the DNC has been hired by Hillary Clinton.

This reminds me of the part in 'Casino' where Robert De Niro's character keeps changing job titles to avoid a background check.

Obviously the people who actually did stuff aren't to blame, just the (alleged) messenger

That's the same mentality behind the "no snitching" rule favored by the knuckle-draggers of society; "My getting arrested was your fault because you told on me. Not my fault for doing a bunch of scumbag shit."

 

[waffle]

This is likely to be what makes the Donald win. If the GOP wins this election they can shamble on and might even come out of it a real party again if a bit of a realignment happens. If the democrats loose they're done, the shock of loosing to a pumpkin in a toupee will be too much and they will have a sudden and dramatic collapse under the weight of their own corruption.

 

[Strelok]

f the GOP wins this election they can shamble on and might even come out of it a real party again if a bit of a realignment happens.

Nah, no matter which party wins, they'll take it as evidence that "everything is fine, nothing is ruined" and proceed down the path of slowly but surely forgetting what their party platform was even supposed to be 5 years ago, let along 9 or 10 by next election.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

> GOP not a real party
> historical election waves in 2010 and 2014
> historical primary number of voters
>

 

[waffle]

> GOP not a real party
> historical election waves in 2010 and 2014
> historical primary number of voters
>

Real party may have not been the best thing to say, but the GOP is certainly a party at war with its self right now because the big tent has turned into a three ring circus with no recognized ringmaster.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

And the DNC is not? The DNC is way more split than the GOP bro

The GOP is somewhat united thanks to Hillary being such shit. If Trump is a good president then no one was ever #NeverTrump and if he's terrible you won't find a single person that ever dissed Cruz

It's the Dems who are fucked

 

[Lackadaisy]

At this point, we're all fucked -- Democrats, Republicans, and all those other political parties no one gives a shit about.