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Daddy's Little Kitten said:
AEW runs on lolcows.
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AEW is tailor made for and by lolcows. At least TNA didn't have to deal with this. Even WCW (especially before and after its buyout by WWE) wasn't full of retardation, even with its blunders late during that era.
 
Lucas Silva #4903141 said:
Okay, now I found some good shit from wrestling twitter.

Very informative responses to this. Some dumb bitch tried to whiteknight Dana Massie, and the responses weren't having it.
One amusing reply:

A very succinct response:
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And in a reply to Mike:

Just generally speaking, there are a lot of merch chances that AEW completely missed out on. I mentioned CMLL, so I'll use them as an example: They'd miss those chances as well, but they have the excuse of being run by boomers and their main targets are gringo tourists. Many of their luchadores aren't even on contracts, but rather agreements to work dates, and thus, a lot of them work for cheap prices. AEW, on the other hand, has a lot of contracted wrestlers, many of which aren't cheap. They really should do a better job of at least making shirts to sell.

This thread has more negative examples from AEW

That Britt Baker shirt with the bruise is just...lmao.
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One of the things that I found the weirdest about AEW was that once they'd already got their pieces together backstage for the start of AEW debuting on TNT, it took just a few months for it to be obvious that the marketing folk and the production folk and the much of the general production in general wasn't good enough, for the company had already outgrown them.

The sound issues got hammered out fairly quickly because they were the most obvious to the naked eye, but you'd still have the most basic title cards for who was facing who on each Dynamite/Rampage etc (I still don't think those have changed 3 years in), you'd still have 3 t-shirt choices at a Dynamite taping, I don't know much about the AEW legal side other than the "he said, she said" shit coming from Brawl Out, but even then Megha looked like she was hideously out of her depth dealing with a situation like that which caused an even bigger issue.

And funnily enough, now that we're reaching the end of their initial contracts it's starting to look obvious WHY said people kept their jobs for so long. Megha, the legal advisor was banging talent, the merch lady was the wife of a Young Buck, Brandi Rhodes was networking with next to zero actual experience and so on. If you're trying to build a wrestling company big enough to take on a multibillion dollar wrestling company, you can't just put unqualified folk in key positions just because of who they're banging.

I'll give them a pass regarding the pandemic because that'd have been a major issue in recruiting better guys in those roles but really there was no excuse not to clean house when they got Punk and Bryan and looked set for a second wind that could really send ripples down the wrestling industry. I'd already zoned out of AEW by the time Punk came in but I absolutely made sure to watch that Rampage episode for the possibility of Punk, but when he came it just felt like the company was still treading water in all their other areas as if they were still doing those house show iPPVs near the start (remember Fyter Fest 1?).

They should have got their key talent together and made huge video packages about who these guys were and spammed them all over youtube and social media, they should have pointed out key feuds and hell maybe even made sure to do a "recap so far for folks tuning in for Punk". They didn't. They still ran shirts from PWTees instead of getting bulk orders of the key shirts so everyone could go and buy a Cody shirt or a Punk shirt or a Sting shirt etc. Even then the designs were fucking terrible and not once did it appear like they'd sought out some actual artists to do wrestling designs instead of using the 'wrestling artists' who are dogshit.

I'm just kinda salty because they've had so many opportunities to really get momentum going and the sheer laziness has just wasted them. Tony Khan clearly has enough money to drop millions and millions on more wrestlers but yet their marketing division should be a multimillion dollar team and feels like it's a few college students with their first gig. They're even based in one fucking state, so they can't even claim that moving around too much hampers the quality of their potential hires.

When you're the number 2 promotion you need to have harsher critics because why else would anyone pick you over the number one brand. Somehow along the line people have seen shitting on AEW for their amateurish shit to be concern trolling from WWE fans, instead of taking this shit to heart and really trying to push forward. I'm not going to pretend I've been an AEW die hard (I've enjoyed bits and pieces but it isn't really my thing) but it'll be a dark day for wrestling if it dies, especially knowing how much momentum was wasted.

EDIT: Also merry christmas you fucking spergs, hope you have a good one <3
 
FMW13 said:
I don’t know if anyone has heard but Jericho drunk tweeted at Punks lawyer earlier at 4 in the morning. It was kinda funny to see it.
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Where's the tweet?

Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
I'm just kinda salty because they've had so many opportunities to really get momentum going and the sheer laziness has just wasted them.
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I feel the same. Every opportunity to really shine fell on their lap, and they just fucked it up somehow.
 
Daddy's Little Kitten said:
I feel the same. Every opportunity to really shine fell on their lap, and they just fucked it up somehow.
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To top it off, it's not even as if they don't have history on their side. They should have seen first hand how WCW gutting the Jim Herd guys and replacing them with TV guys helped catapult WCW right to the top. They should have seen the clear difference between WWE doing the wrestler->production guy/backstage agent and when they flipped towards getting TV marketing guys and fleshed out legal departments. Nick Khan absolutely catapulted them to the next stage but the difference between 2001 WWE legal and 2014 WWE legal is astounding.

Getting your cousin to do flyers is something that your local indie does because it doesn't have a budget, if your cousin so happens to be a decent graphic designer he might be able to make something that looks fairly decent, but a graphics department for television requires so much to be done that not just one man can do it. To top it off, said cousin wouldn't know how to scale up a department, if they're a freelancer they're not going to know shit about recruitment or management so they're just going to be recruiting friends of friends and before you know it, boom you've got a mediocre team that's straight up trash.

The entire management structure of AEW looks as though it's Tony Khan trying to create a corporate structure and fill the holes himself but he doesn't have the TV background of Bischoff where he could recruit dozens of quality guys on a whim if he wanted to, AEW at the time didn't have the broad appeal to get underpaid talented guys to make the step up to then use that as leverage for a better TV production job someplace else down the line either. No wonder he hired the Elite as EVPs and then got them to start looking for him. As none of them know shit about recruitment either they all hired their friends too and passed the (young) buck (s) onto someone else.

Tony Khan doesn't even have the balls to tell some indie hack that they're not good enough for AEW, so no wonder he's just letting everyone's contracts run down instead of gutting a department. Hell, he probably wouldn't even know where to start to recruit a replacement either. Fantastic guys from the Jags aren't going to go to AEW so where else is he going to look for new talent?
 
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Edit: Punk's lawyer says Punk signed a NDA for life. So basically we never get Punk's side of the story.

 
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tl;dr version:

  • Ace Steel (Punk's bff) said that his wife isn't under an NDA regarding Brawl Out because while she was there, she wasn't an AEW employee.
  • Chris Jericho for no fucking reason (on Christmas day morning) decides to say he's not under an NDA either (implying he was there during Brawl Out)
  • Someone (Last?) says that's not possible because he should be bound under the AEW Employee handbook
  • Jericho says he didn't have a handbook
  • Evidence of a playbook emerges which implies the existence of an employee handbook
  • Stephen P News (the lawyer involved with Steel) says Exhibit A
The implication seems to be that IF Jericho was in the same room as them and didn't get an NDA from the shitstorm OR adhere to the Employee handbook then the policy is being selectively enforced. Jericho might have opened AEW up for a civil suit for wrongful termination.

Which could lead to internal emails etc. being disclosed as part of a civil suit. Given what I posted earlier about the unprofessionalism of AEW's internals, there could be some VERY incriminating things posted through work email accounts which would be real fucking stupid.

In reality I just see Jericho getting disciplined, Ace Steel and Mr News getting a payout and nothing fun happening. The big issue here is how the situation could annul Steel (and Punk's) NDAs.

And my personal sperg take: If Jericho was in the room all this time and wasn't mentioned in either of the 'accounts' that were given to wrestling journalists then it implies that the sources from 'Punks camp' were made up, maybe even by Jericho himself. The Bucks side favoured the Bucks, the 'Punk side' seemed heavily embellished to the point where people were outright shitting on the lunacy of it. Moreso if Jericho wasn't given an NDA so he could control the general narrative of the situation to wrestling journalists then it'd show that it's not just slander, it's company endorsed slander. Remember that 'Punk's camp' was originally thought to be Ace Steel, but if he signed an NDA then how could he?
 
Tom Nook's Gloryhole said:
tl;dr version:

  • Ace Steel (Punk's bff) said that his wife isn't under an NDA regarding Brawl Out because while she was there, she wasn't an AEW employee.
  • Chris Jericho for no fucking reason (on Christmas day morning) decides to say he's not under an NDA either (implying he was there during Brawl Out)
  • Someone (Last?) says that's not possible because he should be bound under the AEW Employee handbook
  • Jericho says he didn't have a handbook
  • Evidence of a playbook emerges which implies the existence of an employee handbook
  • Stephen P News (the lawyer involved with Steel) says Exhibit A
The implication seems to be that IF Jericho was in the same room as them and didn't get an NDA from the shitstorm OR adhere to the Employee handbook then the policy is being selectively enforced. Jericho might have opened AEW up for a civil suit for wrongful termination.

Which could lead to internal emails etc. being disclosed as part of a civil suit. Given what I posted earlier about the unprofessionalism of AEW's internals, there could be some VERY incriminating things posted through work email accounts which would be real fucking stupid.

In reality I just see Jericho getting disciplined, Ace Steel and Mr News getting a payout and nothing fun happening. The big issue here is how the situation could annul Steel (and Punk's) NDAs.

And my personal sperg take: If Jericho was in the room all this time and wasn't mentioned in either of the 'accounts' that were given to wrestling journalists then it implies that the sources from 'Punks camp' were made up, maybe even by Jericho himself. The Bucks side favoured the Bucks, the 'Punk side' seemed heavily embellished to the point where people were outright shitting on the lunacy of it. Moreso if Jericho wasn't given an NDA so he could control the general narrative of the situation to wrestling journalists then it'd show that it's not just slander, it's company endorsed slander. Remember that 'Punk's camp' was originally thought to be Ace Steel, but if he signed an NDA then how could he?
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If you want to play a fun game on twitter ask Jericho about what NDAs he had other AEW talent sign and then ask him about what happened to "Smiley" Kylie Rae and why she went left AEW with no warning and went crazy and became suicidal the moment she left. See how long it takes for Jericope to block you.
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FMW13 said:
I do find it funny as much if a lol cow punk is he’s been coming off as calmer compared to Jericho. I hope one day people start a thread on Jericho since he’s speed running to replace punk.
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Jericho has been a lolcow for decades but has always have it swept up because he has been a major source for basically every wrestling journalist who would care to report on it. Without Meltzer troll shielding for him he would have been exposed as early as WaR: Second Anniversary of Revolution when he was seething about having to job to Tenryu, Onita, and Bam Bam Bigelow when the biggest match jericho had prior to that was teaming with Tracy Smothers to beat Brian Lee and Chris Candido in Smokey Mountain Wrestling. Jericho gets drunk and imagines he is a much bigger deal than he actually is. Prior to the internet he could get away with that. Now with twitter it is a constant stream of deleted tweets and "Million Viewer Man" copyrights expiring.

Also you guys should watch the Wrestling and Romance supercards. They are peak 90s wrestling with the all of the best wrestlers in the Japan and some of the best in the world all gathered.
 
CognitiveDeficiency said:
what happened to "Smiley" Kylie Rae and why she went left AEW with no warning and went crazy and became suicidal the moment she left.
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Weren't they origionally going to make her their main star and then "something" happened and she "lost her smile"? And she's done this before too.
 
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