Gamergate IV: Salvation

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I guess it really WAS about ethics in heroic adventuring.
 
Ponderous Pillock said:
She's then violated them numerous times, with Fire Emblems and her 'second job' likely being the last straw.

Her paper and highly controversial tweets were simply gravy.
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Pretty sure it's the other way around. They really fired her for the controversy. However, the clear violation of explicit written policy gave them an easy out that can easily be portrayed, should this end up in court, as not being pretextual. This was a safe out to walk away from the situation without either party suffering too bad a hit to their reputation, and anyone who wasn't a total idiot would have taken that out.
 
Michel said:
That fucking "ethics" joke.
Jesus christ.
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The ethics jokes may as well be on par with unfunny dated memes.

Cubanodun said:
Yes,the rules clearly states that you cant beg or influence reviews , people noticed that and are mass reporting just to spite the dev
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In that case, would this also mean the game could get pulled down from Steam in that case or is the punishment different from that? In either case, one may as well wait and see how much they'll try to use the GG bogeyman just to say how everyone against their game was pro-GamerGate.
 
If you are a gamedev, never shoehorn in a meme into your game. It will feel forced and unfunny. If you really need a meme into your game think about this: Will it stand out like a sore thumb? Is it funny? Does it improve anything of the game? If it fail to check any of these points, then don't.
 
AnOminous said:
Pretty sure it's the other way around. They really fired her for the controversy. However, the clear violation of explicit written policy gave them an easy out that can easily be portrayed, should this end up in court, as not being pretextual. This was a safe out to walk away from the situation without either party suffering too bad a hit to their reputation, and anyone who wasn't a total idiot would have taken that out.
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I honestly don't know. We've seen similar PR disasters canned for... being PR disasters. Rapp frankly was one on a lot of the time in her stint that nobody simply paid attention to. The paper didn't seem to bother Nintendo initially but her tweets would become a problem. Her moonlighting job is... arguably, a bigger crime in Nintendo's eyes. From what we've been able to discern, she was likely out the door anyway and the pedo-supporting coming to light at basically the same time as her moonlighting (likely a larger violation) seems to have more likely confirmed Nintendo needed shot of her.
 
Foltest said:
If you are a gamedev, never shoehorn in a meme into your game. It will feel forced and unfunny. If you really need a meme into your game think about this: Will it stand out like a sore thumb? Is it funny? Does it improve anything of the game? If it fail to check any of these points, then don't.
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I personally have come to see the inclusion of memes in just about any kind of fictional work, games or otherwise, as a counter-effective attempt to make something more relevant in the period it is created while also filling space lacking in content, but as consequence makes that stuff just become more dated in less time and often works against it by being content people eventually don't even understand why that crap is in it in the first place.

I.E. Borderlands 2 is loaded with memes and shit, but the epitome of why relying on meme-based content is just bad practice has to be the Tiny Tina DLC. There are entire missions based on referencing other things for no reason, particularly the Dark Souls sidequest which makes no sense in-context unless you know how Dark Souls works - in my case it was only because I had watched an episode where Two Best Friends basically did exactly what the BL2 quest was parodying. But what made it worse was the game actively knew this - in another quest where the objective is to find "King Joffery" and literally beat the shit out of him with your bare hands for being a douche (because guess what was popular around then with the Game of Thrones crowd regarding King Jeffery) and the whole time Brick and Tina are gushing about what is obviously GoT while Mordicai has no idea what they're talking about, then at the end of the quest Tina just drops in some random NPC to reverse roles and suddenly it's Mordy gushing about what I guess was Doubton Abbey and Brick has no idea what Mordy is referencing.

In contrast, a good way to incorporate "memes" in any way would have to be how Portal 2 manages the over-abused "the cake is a lie" meme. By basically avoiding cake altogether - even the ONE time it is seen in the main game whatsoever is only in passing on that fake door right before the second GLaDOS encounter, then it is never mentioned again in the main story mode because then you have Cave ranting about Lemons (maybe Wheatley references it later after you break all of his monitors but you have to be actively trying to force him to say it and is easily missed otherwise). Likewise, with LEGO Dimensions, despite the infamous cake literally being the reason the characters are even at AS in the first place, that's about as much attention it is given and it just stops mattering to the plot whatsoever once that level is complete.
 
Optimus Prime said:
I personally have come to see the inclusion of memes in just about any kind of fictional work, games or otherwise, as a counter-effective attempt to make something more relevant in the period it is created while also filling space lacking in content, but as consequence makes that stuff just become more dated in less time and often works against it by being content people eventually don't even understand why that crap is in it in the first place.

I.E. Borderlands 2 is loaded with memes and shit, but the epitome of why relying on meme-based content is just bad practice has to be the Tiny Tina DLC. There are entire missions based on referencing other things for no reason, particularly the Dark Souls sidequest which makes no sense in-context unless you know how Dark Souls works - in my case it was only because I had watched an episode where Two Best Friends basically did exactly what the BL2 quest was parodying. But what made it worse was the game actively knew this - in another quest where the objective is to find "King Joffery" and literally beat the shit out of him with your bare hands for being a douche (because guess what was popular around then with the Game of Thrones crowd regarding King Jeffery) and the whole time Brick and Tina are gushing about what is obviously GoT while Mordicai has no idea what they're talking about, then at the end of the quest Tina just drops in some random NPC to reverse roles and suddenly it's Mordy gushing about what I guess was Doubton Abbey and Brick has no idea what Mordy is referencing.

In contrast, a good way to incorporate "memes" in any way would have to be how Portal 2 manages the over-abused "the cake is a lie" meme. By basically avoiding cake altogether - even the ONE time it is seen in the main game whatsoever is only in passing on that fake door right before the second GLaDOS encounter, then it is never mentioned again in the main story mode because then you have Cave ranting about Lemons (maybe Wheatley references it later after you break all of his monitors but you have to be actively trying to force him to say it and is easily missed otherwise). Likewise, with LEGO Dimensions, despite the infamous cake literally being the reason the characters are even at AS in the first place, that's about as much attention it is given and it just stops mattering to the plot whatsoever once that level is complete.
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The cake is also included in the Apertures science VR demo,it appears in a cabinet,still a nice touch

This baldur gate debacle is a perfect view of the future, this is what is going to happen to every SJW game, and in steam cries of oppression and whining doesn't work, as far as I know no one has manage to create "back channels" there
 
I remember when GamgerGate first started. I didn't pay much attention to it because I'm not a 15-year-old who thinks "gamer" is a valid identity. But it quickly became apparent the whole thing was a clusterfuck.

For the most part, I'd say I was and still am "anti" GG. I've no love for Wu, Quinn, or any of the other usual suspects who've turned the whole thing into "GG did Vidya 9/11". I think when it first started and hadn't become the shit show it is now, both sides brought up some fairly valid points. Yes, game journalism is a biased mockery of the Fourth Estate for a wide variety reasons. But at the same time, I think women typically don't always get the best representation in video games. Even the new Tomb Raider games, which overall I think was a step in the right direction for Lara Croft, bugged me a bit because the marketing incessantly focused on how brutally the game would torture this woman. Which I guess was the point, and I have no problems with characters put through the ringer, but it felt like there was a Snyder-esque glee to graphically showing off Lara stepping in a bear trap. I don't think it's SJW-y to want to tell these guys to slow down with that.

Of course, now a lot of games are taking a step in whole new wrong directions. Bioware is a joke now, and they honestly seem intent on turning their games into vehicles for social causes rather than the high quality storytelling which got them famous. I gave them a shot with Inquisition, but hamfisted soc-jus politics and the fact the game's story was horribly boring makes me completely disinterested in seeing anything else they make.
 
Optimus Prime said:
In contrast, a good way to incorporate "memes" in any way would have to be how Portal 2 manages the over-abused "the cake is a lie" meme. By basically avoiding cake altogether - even the ONE time it is seen in the main game whatsoever is only in passing on that fake door right before the second GLaDOS encounter, then it is never mentioned again in the main story mode because then you have Cave ranting about Lemons (maybe Wheatley references it later after you break all of his monitors but you have to be actively trying to force him to say it and is easily missed otherwise). Likewise, with LEGO Dimensions, despite the infamous cake literally being the reason the characters are even at AS in the first place, that's about as much attention it is given and it just stops mattering to the plot whatsoever once that level is complete.
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How shitty does your sense of humor have to be that a fucking Lego game handles humor better?
 
8ch.net seems to be down again, and Frederick hasn't posted on twitter in a month.
 
@Jaimas shared this with me recently
Beamdog banning people in regards to negative reviews. Now while a person that has a postive experience can say what they want about the game, a dev asking for that isn't really professional, especially compared to saying "if you have any thoughts about the game, tell us or write a review on how you feel". Plus as some mentioned, asking for a positive review is against TOS.

Jaimas linked me more:


Mod/developer from Beamdog chimes in and locks thread thinking nothing can come out from continuing it. Lock or not, things are still going to happen.

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Team Bropill makes a response

Jaimas gave me one more, this time from Beamdog's steam forum.
http://archive.is/1oXqW

There was a review or post directed at all this
"Thank you so much from a trans gamer for painting a target on our backs once again so you can virtue signal how progressive you are. It wouldn't be enough to just, I don't know, put a trans person in a game and have them there as a character. No, it has to be a political statement and you have to just let everyone know it. Otherwise how would people know how great you are as a person, and isn't that what social justice is really about? ... No, seriously, I'm actually starting to wonder that. This is the bloody Samus Aran thing all over again. It can't just be; "here's a fun fan theory make of it what you will," it's we're redefining samus' gender, and all of you can deal with it. Then the trans community gets painted as ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s for trying to change a venorited IP while you guys get to dance off to the warm glow of praise from your ideological peers. Everytime you paint us as this 'other' you are putting in a game so people can be 'enlightened', and every time attitudes towards trans people are made just that much worse for the effort. YAY! Someone please save us from our so called saviors."
From what I remember, it may of been from either a forum post or a review.
 
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I'm sure they can come to some kind of compromise.

Just give the tranny character a boob size slider and everyone can be happy.
 
Just have kojima rewrite the tranny and im sure everyone would win in the end.
 
You know, sometimes a developer will do something, and shoot themselves in the foot. They'll take it as a learning experience, realize it was a bit silly, back off and while not necessarily apologizing for the issue, won't do it again. This is the sensible option, the mature option. You'll still get some dickweed in your comments every so often go "Hurrr, remember x, bro?" but the majority of your fans won't really care. They'll know.

There's something... special about a developer that fires an RPG at their feet, blows their legs clean off, and instead of realizing "This hurt" they stagger up into a seating position and reload the damn launcher.
 
Optimus Prime said:
I.E. Borderlands 2 is loaded with memes and shit, but the epitome of why relying on meme-based content is just bad practice has to be the Tiny Tina DLC. There are entire missions based on referencing other things for no reason, particularly the Dark Souls sidequest which makes no sense in-context unless you know how Dark Souls works - in my case it was only because I had watched an episode where Two Best Friends basically did exactly what the BL2 quest was parodying. But what made it worse was the game actively knew this - in another quest where the objective is to find "King Joffery" and literally beat the shit out of him with your bare hands for being a douche (because guess what was popular around then with the Game of Thrones crowd regarding King Jeffery) and the whole time Brick and Tina are gushing about what is obviously GoT while Mordicai has no idea what they're talking about, then at the end of the quest Tina just drops in some random NPC to reverse roles and suddenly it's Mordy gushing about what I guess was Doubton Abbey and Brick has no idea what Mordy is referencing.
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This reminds me of the one and only time I have ever felt like literally ripping a game out of the console and chucking it out the window- and honestly the only reason I didn't is because my best friend wanted to play co-op on it.

And this is one of the many reasons why I'm not going to buy another Gearbox game (esp. one with Burch's name attached to it). I have no problem with strong females, but I do have issue with any developer that feels the need to make every single one of their male characters into a simpering beta male or muttering lunatic (with the exceptions of Axiom who is borderline crazypants, and Roland, who was black and now dead).

As for the topic on hand- just another developer who doesn't understand subtlety and ham-fists their leanings into a game. Still looking for the day where we can have writers create transgender, gay, and not-white characters without having to rely on direct explanations or relying on stereotypes to help explain that a character is transgender, gay, or not-white.
 
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