Nintendo Fanbase Stupidity General - Rants on the explosive fanbase

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Does Nintendo have a bad fanbase

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But yeah, there are countless RPG franchises, but I think you can only count on one hand how many can feasibly be considered a 'household name' and Xenoblade certainly isn't one of them.
Honestly if Xenoblade was lying on the street bleeding out and Miyamoto came across it while driving, I wouldn't put it past Miyamoto to hit the peddle and floor it as he runs over the series killing it, like he did paper mario. He would then back up and hit the series again crushing it before speeding off.

I would definitely fault him for the first impact, but I would let the second one go because asians are notoriously bad drivers.
 
But it extends to shit like their store decorations and stuff like that. Xenoblade is absent.

It's like Disney ignoring stuff like Treasure Planet and Atlantis.

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It's the same stuff they're banking on for their multimedia expansion. There's a clear tier list of franchises.

And again directly from their company website
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Metroid didn't get a real new game for 11 years between Other M and Dread, it got Federation Force 6 years later as a game no one wanted to the point of being taken as a joke, and Samus Returns which was a remake of 2 in 2017. Donkey Kong hasn't gotten a new game since 2014. So Metroid and Donkey Kong in these lists I wouldn't consider to be some extremely well cared for franchise compared to Bing Bing Wahoo Man and Zelda The Swordsman. They may use these icons to sell you merch crap, but they don't make games for these franchises nearly as often as Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or Animal Crossing. At least Xenoblade and Fire Emblem get releases often that you know their series has a pulse.
 
Metroid didn't get a real new game for 11 years between Other M and Dread, it got Federation Force 6 years later as a game no one wanted to the point of being taken as a joke, and Samus Returns which was a remake of 2 in 2017. Donkey Kong hasn't gotten a new game since 2014. So Metroid and Donkey Kong in these lists I wouldn't consider to be some extremely well cared for franchise compared to Bing Bing Wahoo Man and Zelda The Swordsman. They may use these icons to sell you merch crap, but they don't make games for these franchises nearly as often as Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or Animal Crossing.
Well I would say Xenoblade is more or less Monolithsoft's thing so maybe that's why, but it's Gamefreak that makes the pokemon games.
 
Well I would say Xenoblade is more or less Monolithsoft's thing so maybe that's why, but it's Gamefreak that makes the pokemon games.
But Nintendo effectively owns Monolith, and Intelligent Systems for FE, last I checked so they still bankroll this in some way. A lot of Nintendo franchises are made by other studios so I don't see the point of the Gamefreak or Monolith distinction.
 
But Nintendo effectively owns Monolith, and Intelligent Systems for FE, last I checked so they still bankroll this in some way. A lot of Nintendo franchises are made by other studios so I don't see the point of the Gamefreak or Monolith distinction.
Yeah but they're not putting the franchise on equal footing with the rest of their stable of franchises. It's viewed as a lower tier of sorts despite everything.

It's like a red headed stepchild of Nintendo IPs.
 
Yeah but they're not putting the franchise on equal footing with the rest of their stable of franchises. It's viewed as a lower tier of sorts despite everything.

It's like a red headed stepchild of Nintendo IPs.
Pokemon has been handled by many studios over the years except for mainline games, and Pokemon is in terms of sales probably bigger then Mario once we factor in merch. DK is also handled by other studios since its inception from what I recall.

Unless we have a category for dead children, F-Zero, Pikmin, and Star Fox are more the red headed stepchildren of Nintendo IPs, and even then I'd say in terms of game releases DK and Metroid are worse off then FE/Xenoblade.
 
Pokemon has been handled by many studios over the years except for mainline games, and Pokemon is in terms of sales probably bigger then Mario once we factor in merch. DK is also handled by other studios since its inception from what I recall.

Unless we have a category for dead children, F-Zero, Pikmin, and Star Fox are more the red headed stepchildren of Nintendo IPs, and even then I'd say in terms of game releases DK and Metroid are worse off then FE/Xenoblade.
Yeah I wasn't really counting the dead ones. But it's just generally odd that a series that's had a new mainline game on every single system since the wii (which is something that Zelda and Possibly Mario can't even attest to unless you count 3d World for Mario) wouldn't be more heavily featured by the company itself.
 
Metroid didn't get a real new game for 11 years between Other M and Dread, it got Federation Force 6 years later as a game no one wanted to the point of being taken as a joke, and Samus Returns which was a remake of 2 in 2017. Donkey Kong hasn't gotten a new game since 2014. So Metroid and Donkey Kong in these lists I wouldn't consider to be some extremely well cared for franchise compared to Bing Bing Wahoo Man and Zelda The Swordsman. They may use these icons to sell you merch crap, but they don't make games for these franchises nearly as often as Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or Animal Crossing. At least Xenoblade and Fire Emblem get releases often that you know their series has a pulse.
Nintendo has also not made a new mainline Mario or Zelda game since 2017. They have not made a new Mario Kart since 2014. It's an industry wide problem. How many times people going to buy GTA V, Skyrim and Mario Kart 8?

But you might point out there was six years between Mario Kart Wii & Mario Kart 8, or six years between Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. However, we got 3DS entries during those periods.
 
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Nintendo has also not made a new mainline Mario or Zelda game since 2017. They have not made a new Mario Kart since 2014. It's an industry wide problem. How many times people going to buy GTA V, Skyrim and Mario Kart 8?

But you might point out there was six years between Mario Kart Wii & Mario Kart 8, or six years between Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. However, we got 3DS entries during those periods.
Mario Kart generally gets an single game per console. For some reason, the Switch got an deluxe version of the Wii U's entry; but I'm not sure if the current wave of DLC is enough for it to turn it into "MK 8.5"
 
I normally don't believe rumours/leaks too. But I'm pretty sure the direct being on the 29th is true.

This direct is basically Nintendo getting Xenoblade 3 news out there so they don't have to dedicate a 20 minute timeslot during the general direct to it. Those really long looks into a game kinda suck and kill the pace if you're not a fan of the games. And while I'm a big Xenoblade fan, I'm also not blind and can see that the series doesn't interest everyone (many Nintendo fans actively hate it now for... some reason?)
Have they not been doing this for the last few years? This is not a new thing to speculate about.

Dedicate a big direct to one game then hold their actual proper direct a few days later.

I at the very least recall this happening for 3H and Pokemon.
 
Mario Kart generally gets an single game per console. For some reason, the Switch got an deluxe version of the Wii U's entry; but I'm not sure if the current wave of DLC is enough for it to turn it into "MK 8.5"
9 is going to have a different feel to it. You have the rumored New New Toad voice being a thing and them probably working movie lore into the surroundings.

And yeah Listen to how Toad sounded in MK64, then listen to how he currently sounds, Toads are rumored to again be getting a major change.
 
Mario Kart generally gets an single game per console. For some reason, the Switch got an deluxe version of the Wii U's entry; but I'm not sure if the current wave of DLC is enough for it to turn it into "MK 8.5"
Even if you consider Deluxe a new game, this is still the longest gap between new entries. This is bigger than only getting one entry per console.
 
Metroid didn't get a real new game for 11 years between Other M and Dread, it got Federation Force 6 years later as a game no one wanted to the point of being taken as a joke, and Samus Returns which was a remake of 2 in 2017. Donkey Kong hasn't gotten a new game since 2014. So Metroid and Donkey Kong in these lists I wouldn't consider to be some extremely well cared for franchise compared to Bing Bing Wahoo Man and Zelda The Swordsman. They may use these icons to sell you merch crap, but they don't make games for these franchises nearly as often as Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or Animal Crossing. At least Xenoblade and Fire Emblem get releases often that you know their series has a pulse.
If you discount Samus Returns and Federation Force then you have to discount Amiibo Festival and Happy Home Designer as well. Prior to that Animal Crossing hadn't had an update since 2012. (EPD 5, the AC team, also does the Wii __ series and Splatoon and preferred to work on those titles instead.) Believe it or not, Nintendo seems pretty open about letting teams pitch and create whatever it is they want, without forcing people to only do a certain series. Because of that Donkey Kong tends to get neglected while other series get, perhaps, more entries than sales would otherwise dictate.

DK has huge cultural saturation, he's a merch machine and thats why he is still there even if he only gets one game a decade. My real surprise is that Yoshi and Kirby are omitted from that list. JP devs seems to love Yoshi for some reason and Kirby's always, you know, done his part.
 
Mario can't even attest to unless you count 3d World for Mario)
You are being willfully disingenuous if you don't. It was made by the same group of people that had made the previous main games, was sold to the public as such, was treated as such by its successor, Odyssey, is literally what the themepark ride is based on, etc. And even if you don't, you also have to factor in that the previous system got two main games and a handheld got one too (yes, 3D Land counts, for most of the same reasons I listed for World.)
 
Mario Kart generally gets an single game per console. For some reason, the Switch got an deluxe version of the Wii U's entry; but I'm not sure if the current wave of DLC is enough for it to turn it into "MK 8.5"
Even if you consider Deluxe a new game, this is still the longest gap between new entries. This is bigger than only getting one entry per console.
ARMS is why Mario Kart 9 didn't happen. The MK Team usually has a consistent schedule of dropping Mario kart titles every few years, but it seems ARMS took 9's place probably because the team really should have more variety. Now it is going to be a toss up on whether the team wants to go back to Mario Kart fully again, or continue to build on what was a success.
But it extends to shit like their store decorations and stuff like that. Xenoblade is absent.

It's like Disney ignoring stuff like Treasure Planet and Atlantis.

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All listed are cartoony franchises that are able to easily peddle merchandise and have a family image. Fire Emblem & Xenoblade are still huge IPs for Nintendo, but don't have the same merchandise draw and wider appeal. For them, merchandise would have to be simple collectables like cards, or elaborate statues that will cost a pretty penny. They also look bad in a lineup next to Mario as they are of a very different art style and tone.
 
They also look bad in a lineup next to Mario as they are of a very different art style and tone.
They've got both Adult link and BOTW Link in many of these lineups.
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Pokemon makes most of it's money through merch sales and not games.

Even if you only count money made from game sales alone it still only 2nd to Mario it terms of money earned. While Merchandising is indeed the primary reason it is the largest media franchise in history in terms of money made, the games are still the 2nd biggest money making factor for the franchise, even if it only makes a little more than 1/3rd as much money as merchandising.

One thing they definitely helps is that Pokemon pretty much has a monopoly on the mongame genre. I once calculated all of the other mongame series(specifically revenue earned from game sales), and pretty much all of the non-Pokemon ones combined still only make up a fraction of percent of the money Pokemon does on games alone.

It doesn't matter if other games did the same thing first, the main thing is that they were the first to make it really big, especially outside of Japan. Like Oreos was a flagrant rip-off of Hydrox cookies, but since their name didn't sound like a cleaning spray it ended up becoming so much more successful, to the point other brands of sandwich cookies are called "oreos" by most of the public.
 
They've got both Adult link and BOTW Link in many of these lineups.
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Zelda is still targeted primarily towards kids and has tons of things that are merchandisable in terms of plushies and figures, to which FE or Xenoblade couldn't achieve to a wide scale. Plus, Link really doesn't look all too out of place in the image. He is still a brighter character with not much detail. He looks more inline than say, placing a Three Houses promotional art on the venue as the more 2D touches would clash hard. With Xenoblade, I could maybe see the new Definitive Edition Shulk design work, but 2's designs would be off the table for being too anime or sexual for a family store.
 
Zelda is still targeted primarily towards kids and has tons of things that are merchandisable in terms of plushies and figures, to which FE or Xenoblade couldn't achieve to a wide scale. Plus, Link really doesn't look all too out of place in the image. He is still a brighter character with not much detail. He looks more inline than say, placing a Three Houses promotional art on the venue as the more 2D touches would clash hard. With Xenoblade, I could maybe see the new Definitive Edition Shulk design work, but 2's designs would be off the table for being too anime or sexual for a family store.
Yeah I was thinking of something like DE's version of Shulk myself. But yeah I agree about 2's designs.
 
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