UK Young people are rejecting work. Why?

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“I’m considering living in the wild, just trotting around the globe with little money,” reads a post on a Reddit forum for Neets. “I was working [in] a retail store and the first few hours were OK, then I had to deal with customers,” reads another. “I packed my bag and just left.”

In this forum, a community of 44,000 people from around the world share advice and discuss the challenges of being a Neet — an acronym for not in education, employment or training.

It is not just an online phenomenon. “I could never go back to working a normal job again,” Morgan, who left his role in 2020 and asked to remain anonymous, told the FT. “With inflation and rents rising, the incentive to devote all of my time to an employer to barely scrape by didn’t make sense any more.”

In the third quarter of this year, official UK figures showed 13 per cent of 16 to 24-year-olds were Neets, nearly 1mn people. Two-fifths of these were looking for work; the rest were “economically inactive”, neither working nor looking, opting out of the labour market completely.

This puts the number of economically inactive young people close to its highest level — a similar story in Europe and the US, where more than 1 in 10 young people are Neets.

While the term first gained traction in 1990s UK government policy, which sought to help older teenagers into work, it has since been adopted internationally and by a wider subculture of economically inactive people. Reddit’s Neet forum includes people in their 50s; recent posts depict a “self-loathing man of inaction late 20s/early 30s” or ask if “30+ NEETS [can] turn their life around?”

After starting out as a car salesman ten years ago, Morgan, now 30, was forced out of work by depression and an illness that took him in and out of hospital. When he recovered, the pandemic had shut his industry down: he opted out of work, using the time to teach himself how to repair old cars and post videos online.

“My time to develop my interests was worth more than I could make working, even if it wasn’t making me any money,” he says. But eventually the bills began to pile up. “I was put out on the street for unpaid rent. I lived in my car for a few days before a friend took me in. I’m lucky that’s where I am today.”

Josh, 24, dropped out of university after deciding it wasn’t worth the money. “I went on to have a few retail jobs but I found it tough to interact with people in the workplace because of my social anxiety,” he told the FT. I’ve moved back in with my parents now, who are able to support me. I help my mum around the house and I’m trying to teach myself programming.”

Louise Murphy, economist at the Resolution Foundation think-tank, says mental health is one driver of rising Neet numbers: in 20 years, the proportion of young people reporting a disorder such as anxiety or bipolar has increased from a quarter to a third. This makes them more likely to be out of work: an RF report found between 2018 and 2022, 21 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds with mental health problems were jobless, compared with 13 per cent of those without.

Niall O’Higgins, an International Labour Organization economist, suggests younger people are also disenchanted with the quality of jobs on offer, and are “lacking prospects for development, workplace training and the ability to build up their options”.

Employers make themselves more attractive, he says, by offering flexibility and support, including “exploring alternatives in terms of organisation of work”. In a survey of Gen Z workers by talent sourcing platform A.Team, 80 per cent said the four-day working week should be the norm, 60 per cent would like a hybrid working model, and half valued training opportunities.

Murphy says nurturing relationships can have a significant impact. “When we asked what young people would change about the world of work, they didn’t ask for big, flashy reforms. They wanted to have more human, understanding managers.” This might include additions like one-to-one catch-ups which are not the norm in all professions.

“I resent the accusation that young people don’t want to work,” Morgan says. “Everyone wants to contribute, but the reward for devoting your time to doing so is no longer worth it in many cases.”

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I feel like this is a pretty reasonable breakdown of the current issue with mcjobs or anything that is "reasonable". They simply don't really exist anymore and having most "normal" jobs isn't valued by society anymore.

I always hear people say this is our fault or the fault of consumers and I guess in some ways it is, but at the same time I'm not the one who wanted to cut the fucking doordash/Amazon drivers wage by another 13.2% so I could save fucking 3 cents on a box of jumbo tampons.

I personally feel that the way companies and society have turned "normal" jobs into being economically unviable costs us all more as a society right now and will cost us even more in the near future.

I'm sure there's a bunch of NEET types who have social and psychological issues with working that are legitimate but it's stupid that there aren't roles that are available for these people to do some basic work and instill in them some level of achievement and self confidence and also give them financial freedom.
 
You tell others who don't agree to off themselves because your perspective is oh so correct, yes? Actually, kill yourself.
Only the people whose retardation is a danger to others. Morons like you calling for the 'boomers' to die out so their tax that they have already paid, can be diverted from their pensions to Ahmed's pocket.

Up next, how your tax has now increased by 20% because Ahmed needs more money and oh, you can't retire because there's no money. Don't worry though, remember when you hated old people and wanted them to die? Well, you're old now, so die. Better yet, kill yourself now.

Top tip for people; whenever you have a discussion at work, you're being recorded. Maybe by phone, maybe by smartwatch, maybe by a guy who isn't even part of your convo.
Maybe you're being recorded for banter, maybe for bad reasons but you're always recorded.
 
It's hard on a body.
And also mind-numbingly repetitive. I think Frederick Taylor (1856–1915) cooked up the BS of "scientific management", which eventually led to "McJobs" being not unlike some robot on an assembly line. To "maximize productivity", jobs with the same specific and endless repetitive work over and over and over for a shift... not working for a goal.
 
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And also mind-numbingly repetitive. I think Frederick Taylor (1856–1915) cooked up the BS of "scientific management", which eventually led to "McJobs" being not unlike some robot on an assembly line. To "maximize productivity", jobs with the same specific and endless repetitive work over and over and over for a shift... not working for a goal.
But it has the word science in it! Don't you TRVST THE SCIENCE!?
 
I can't think of a single good reason for keeping humans alive after 75, not in terms of utility, quality of life, proper distribution of resources. Nothing
We love them, they are valuable.
It’s not good enough to be good at your job, you have to been seen by the right people to be good at your job.
Yeah this is really true. I left a company a couple of years back. I’d requested promotion, I’d been working at the higher job spec for a year and doing a good job, kept getting told moneys tight, no. Put resignation in and was offered a pay rise and the promotion that day. Suddenly I was very vital and please reconsider.
The only time you get ahead is who you know. I keep seeing people who are great at their jobs AND good with the people wrangling and client wrangling and they do t get ahead. But the people who are crap but smarm and schmooze management do. It’s incredibly disillusioning. I really need to wriggle my way into more of this kind of stuff but I feel my soul shrivel when I do
There was a brief period where 1 in 5 couples met at work. This was when women entered office life en masse in the 1980s, but before increasingly strict harassment rules made office dating a minefield. Plus women marry up, so 40 years of upward mobility means they no longer see most men in the office as even eligible.

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I think we may have chatted about this in another thread but this graph is astonishing. The massive, rapid shift from meeting IRL to online is shocking to me. When you think about how it changes what criteria people use, it’s disturbing. You meet someone at the office or in real life. Maybe they’re not a looker, but they grow on you and after a bit you find yourself enjoying their company. You date, marry and live happily ever after. ALL that is gone. Now you swipe them off your screen and never think of them again. The criteria we pick a life partner by have therefore changed dramatically and I don’t think for the better.
 
I think we may have chatted about this in another thread but this graph is astonishing. The massive, rapid shift from meeting IRL to online is shocking to me. When you think about how it changes what criteria people use, it’s disturbing. You meet someone at the office or in real life. Maybe they’re not a looker, but they grow on you and after a bit you find yourself enjoying their company. You date, marry and live happily ever after. ALL that is gone. Now you swipe them off your screen and never think of them again. The criteria we pick a life partner by have therefore changed dramatically and I don’t think for the better.
I've mentioned this elsewhere myself, I think the screens have also fundamentally warped how attractive people think normal people are. Our brains are unable to meaningfully distinguish between 100 people and 10,000 people, so I think once you've spent time looking at 100 very attractive people on the dating apps (you've swiped left on the average people without a second glance), you start to form a belief that the typical person is very attractive, when in reality you might know 1 or 2 people that beautiful in your real life. This then makes you far less likely to accept that the person who is actually your equal is worth looking at, not when there are infinitely many fantastically beautiful people out there.
 
We love them, they are valuable.
Exactly. I'm still learning things from my dad to this day and he's well past that cut-off, but even if I wasn't, just having him around is a net good for the family. He helps with all his grandkids. His life experience provides those kids a perspective they wouldn't get from their parents, because of the very different time he grew up. He's a connection to a world that they would not even be able to comprehend if he hadn't explained it to them. Anyone who is willing to write people off at an arbitrary age, just because they have no "utility" as they define it, or because they're "hogging resources" that they paid for their entire lives, is seriously under-estimating just how much an older person can still contribute, but also how much value their mere existence provides to an extended family.
 
This then makes you far less likely to accept that the person who is actually your equal is worth looking at,
I feel like this is a kind of reverse anorexia. I always assumed people saw themselves as less attractive than they were. Clearly I am wrong, and people overestimate their attractiveness. I guess that shouldn’t surprise me, since I see people overestimate their ability too, from Prime Minister level downwards, but it still feels odd
 
I feel like this is a pretty reasonable breakdown of the current issue with mcjobs or anything that is "reasonable". They simply don't really exist anymore and having most "normal" jobs isn't valued by society anymore.

I always hear people say this is our fault or the fault of consumers and I guess in some ways it is, but at the same time I'm not the one who wanted to cut the fucking doordash/Amazon drivers wage by another 13.2% so I could save fucking 3 cents on a box of jumbo tampons.

I personally feel that the way companies and society have turned "normal" jobs into being economically unviable costs us all more as a society right now and will cost us even more in the near future.

I'm sure there's a bunch of NEET types who have social and psychological issues with working that are legitimate but it's stupid that there aren't roles that are available for these people to do some basic work and instill in them some level of achievement and self confidence and also give them financial freedom.


It's a cultural problem. Support to cut wages is one thing, but as I mentioned this in another thread today, corporations perhaps wouldn't be doing it if there was a public outrage.

As for seeing the value in average low paying jobs, Japanese society is the model we should be looking up to.
Where toilet cleaners take pride in doing their jobs , where you'll receive an amazing service in a restaurant and the waiter will be offended if you leave a tip. Because these people know it's not what they do, but it's how they do it that serves the society.
That's something that they teach little kids in school and as adults they take pride in their work.

In the western world every Timmy and Jessica are convinced by their parents that they are special, unique, talented, and that if they don't study hard and aim high they're gonna end up cleaning the streets , or serving burgers.
So they grow up not respecting those who do.
 
I feel like this is a kind of reverse anorexia. I always assumed people saw themselves as less attractive than they were. Clearly I am wrong, and people overestimate their attractiveness. I guess that shouldn’t surprise me, since I see people overestimate their ability too, from Prime Minister level downwards, but it still feels odd

I think most people see themselves as slightly above average. But then the apps reprogram your brain to see model-tier beautiful people as typical, so you think, "Yeah, I could snag one of those."

The really concerning thing is how "met through friends" has collapsed. From observation, young people seem to not have friends at all. All their recreation time is mediated through the screen, making them more isolated than ever.
 
I feel like this is a kind of reverse anorexia. I always assumed people saw themselves as less attractive than they were. Clearly I am wrong, and people overestimate their attractiveness. I guess that shouldn’t surprise me, since I see people overestimate their ability too, from Prime Minister level downwards, but it still feels odd
I think both happen an awful lot. I'm very guilty of supposedly undervaluing my own looks. I see myself as a 4 at best but the few exes I'm still in contact with seem to rate me at least 2 points higher than that.

Having a negative outlook on your level of attractiveness plays hell with you when someone tries paying you a compliment and all you can do is think about how they must be mocking you.
 
As for seeing the value in average low paying jobs, Japanese society is the model we should be looking up to.
Where toilet cleaners take pride in doing their jobs , where you'll receive an amazing service in a restaurant and the waiter will be offended if you leave a tip. Because these people know it's not what they do, but it's how they do it that serves the society.

I agree with your point in general.

But the first thing that came to mind after reading your post was a WeLl ACKSHUALLY, that their same work culture has your average office bugman coerced into going drinking with his boss every night and not allowed to go tap out and go home before his superior. While still being expected to show up at dawn and work ungodly hours.
 
if this article was written by someone in Canada, I could completely understand it. Canada's tax regime makes it incredibly not worth it to try to get ahead. It's a sisyphean effort to get more money, because the government just fucking taxes it away. Currently real Gross Domestic Product per capita in Canada is on the level of like BELOW fucking ALABAMA, one of the US's poorer states. And the dollar just hit 69 cents US. Fucking Justin Turdeau printed an extra 700 BILLION dollars which devalued the money to a ridiculous degree, causing record-high inflation since Coof.

But to be entirely fair, the US did the same damn fucking stupid things that the Canadian Government did, except they don't have a stupid carbon tax that now is set to increase another 16 cents per liter (roughly 1/4 gallon) of gasoline.
 
But to be entirely fair, the US did the same damn fucking stupid things that the Canadian Government did, except they don't have a stupid carbon tax that now is set to increase another 16 cents per liter (roughly 1/4 gallon) of gasoline.
Hold up, gas is less than $3 USD in some states. What on earth are Canadians paying for gas? Hopefully it isn't euroswine rates at >>$5/gallon.

Also, lol is AI retarded sometimes. Somehow it mixed up my question about gas prices in Canada with the conversion rate between USD and CAD. I must now conclude that gasoline is almost free in Canada. I'm most amused that it priced out the gasoline in gallons instead of liters. This is now my go-to example of AI being nothing more than a glorified markov chain.
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Hold up, gas is less than $3 USD in some states. What on earth are Canadians paying for gas? Hopefully it isn't euroswine rates at >>$5/gallon.

Also, lol is AI retarded sometimes. Somehow it mixed up my question about gas prices in Canada with the conversion rate between USD and CAD. I must now conclude that gasoline is almost free in Canada. I'm most amused that it priced out the gasoline in gallons instead of liters. This is now my go-to example of AI being nothing more than a glorified markov chain.
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our current (as of yesterday that I saw) gas prices hover around $1.69.9 (Costco's was 1.58.9) for regular, per Litre. Multiply that by 4 and you basically get price per gallon (not exact, but close enough). So basically we're talking nearly 7 dollars Canadian a gallon, and of course, MOST of that is tax. Gasoline has excise taxes, plus some cities level their own fuel taxes, Provincial Sales Tax, Carbon Tax (BC has its own, and it's 17.62 cents per litre, and it's supposed to go up another 16 cents per litre this April 1st). To add insult to injury, GST (goods and services tax) is charged on ALL the other taxes ON TOP of the price of the fuel. Or in the case of Harmonized sales taxes, which is both GST and PST (provincial sales tax) in some provinces, they charge BOTH GST and PST as HST on fuel on top of all the other taxes, so it's basically a big fucking tax-on-tax, and that shouldn't be. But it is, because greedy bastards in government who are also fucking lazy. Because our dollar is dogshit right now, according to the exchange rate 7 dollars is 4.87 US, but that's still stupid-high. But to be fair, BC has the highest gas prices in the country, and not just because we ship oil to US refineries and then have to buy back our gasoline at a premium.
 
I agree with your point in general.

But the first thing that came to mind after reading your post was a WeLl ACKSHUALLY, that their same work culture has your average office bugman coerced into going drinking with his boss every night and not allowed to go tap out and go home before his superior. While still being expected to show up at dawn and work ungodly hours.

This is a fucked up part of their culture, I know about it and I agree.
That's why I only brought up the other part.
 
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