UK Young people are rejecting work. Why?

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“I’m considering living in the wild, just trotting around the globe with little money,” reads a post on a Reddit forum for Neets. “I was working [in] a retail store and the first few hours were OK, then I had to deal with customers,” reads another. “I packed my bag and just left.”

In this forum, a community of 44,000 people from around the world share advice and discuss the challenges of being a Neet — an acronym for not in education, employment or training.

It is not just an online phenomenon. “I could never go back to working a normal job again,” Morgan, who left his role in 2020 and asked to remain anonymous, told the FT. “With inflation and rents rising, the incentive to devote all of my time to an employer to barely scrape by didn’t make sense any more.”

In the third quarter of this year, official UK figures showed 13 per cent of 16 to 24-year-olds were Neets, nearly 1mn people. Two-fifths of these were looking for work; the rest were “economically inactive”, neither working nor looking, opting out of the labour market completely.

This puts the number of economically inactive young people close to its highest level — a similar story in Europe and the US, where more than 1 in 10 young people are Neets.

While the term first gained traction in 1990s UK government policy, which sought to help older teenagers into work, it has since been adopted internationally and by a wider subculture of economically inactive people. Reddit’s Neet forum includes people in their 50s; recent posts depict a “self-loathing man of inaction late 20s/early 30s” or ask if “30+ NEETS [can] turn their life around?”

After starting out as a car salesman ten years ago, Morgan, now 30, was forced out of work by depression and an illness that took him in and out of hospital. When he recovered, the pandemic had shut his industry down: he opted out of work, using the time to teach himself how to repair old cars and post videos online.

“My time to develop my interests was worth more than I could make working, even if it wasn’t making me any money,” he says. But eventually the bills began to pile up. “I was put out on the street for unpaid rent. I lived in my car for a few days before a friend took me in. I’m lucky that’s where I am today.”

Josh, 24, dropped out of university after deciding it wasn’t worth the money. “I went on to have a few retail jobs but I found it tough to interact with people in the workplace because of my social anxiety,” he told the FT. I’ve moved back in with my parents now, who are able to support me. I help my mum around the house and I’m trying to teach myself programming.”

Louise Murphy, economist at the Resolution Foundation think-tank, says mental health is one driver of rising Neet numbers: in 20 years, the proportion of young people reporting a disorder such as anxiety or bipolar has increased from a quarter to a third. This makes them more likely to be out of work: an RF report found between 2018 and 2022, 21 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds with mental health problems were jobless, compared with 13 per cent of those without.

Niall O’Higgins, an International Labour Organization economist, suggests younger people are also disenchanted with the quality of jobs on offer, and are “lacking prospects for development, workplace training and the ability to build up their options”.

Employers make themselves more attractive, he says, by offering flexibility and support, including “exploring alternatives in terms of organisation of work”. In a survey of Gen Z workers by talent sourcing platform A.Team, 80 per cent said the four-day working week should be the norm, 60 per cent would like a hybrid working model, and half valued training opportunities.

Murphy says nurturing relationships can have a significant impact. “When we asked what young people would change about the world of work, they didn’t ask for big, flashy reforms. They wanted to have more human, understanding managers.” This might include additions like one-to-one catch-ups which are not the norm in all professions.

“I resent the accusation that young people don’t want to work,” Morgan says. “Everyone wants to contribute, but the reward for devoting your time to doing so is no longer worth it in many cases.”

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“I could never go back to working a normal job again,” Morgan, who left his role in 2020 and asked to remain anonymous, told the FT. “With inflation and rents rising, the incentive to devote all of my time to an employer to barely scrape by didn’t make sense any more.”
It's in the third paragraph, you moron.
They've realised that society doesn't value them, and isn't set up to provide them with a future.

Why bother?
 
Because they're fucking lazy and there's no incentive to work nor punishment to not work. Cut the benefits from all, including Ali and Umbungo, for them to work or be deported - if foreign, or starve to death if they're native.

It may sound harsh, but a really fucking bad recession with absolute poverty and desperation is what the UK needs to really sharpen its' senses to what is important.

Anyone who says they're poor today - especially while using an iphone or having a netflix subscription, needs a tenner in a gulag.
 
So we can pay for exorbitant health care for old people, insanely priced housing, welfare for people laughing at us for being stooges when they are collecting checks for nothing? Aid to fund wars in foreign nations with people who hate us?

Idk I kinda get it
 
I worked 15-18 to scrape by and even then it wasn't worth it. Getting guberment gibs put more money in my account for no effort but filing out some papers and I could finish my degree in free(d) time to get a proper job later on.
When you are starting out and you aren't from super rich family with ties, you get nothing but shit jobs and for most of them now they won't even take you in as the market is filled with yeets, so I understand where they are coming from.
Most of these jobs are a total dead end that will wear you out and block all progress you can make to a better place.

Rich friend of mine that his dad was the boss of one of the divisions got his cozy office job before even filling 18 and spend whole day playing games on pc until he didn't even bother to check in at work and got fired two years in by complaints of coworkers that he's not able to do even most basic work. I would kill for something like that back then.
He became a total NEET and simply lives of his fathers cash and goverment aid.

Job market today is completely disadvantageous to kids starting their career. You are simply outcompeeted (outyeeted?) by all the foreigners that lie on resumes with degrees from some bologna college that doesn't even exist, while they mooch on welfare and do a side job selling dope that brings them extra cash.
The market is fake towards all the HR people that think there are plenty of wagecucks that will fill the position, when in reality there's no one actually capable to do the work.
HR will still take in a yeet over a regular guy, because they can pay him less, even if he can't do the job and will just fuck everything up. The only way you can compete is by getting paid same and having more experience/education and so on, meaning, the education to get a better pay is actually worthless, since the bottom line is the same.
 
So we can pay for exorbitant health care for old people, insanely priced housing, welfare for people laughing at us for being stooges when they are collecting checks for nothing? Aid to fund wars in foreign nations with people who hate us?

Idk I kinda get it
The old people who paid in all their lives? Yes. The rest can fuck off.
They’re meet because they can be. Everyone has to eat, if someone’s paying the rent and feeding them then they’re able to do it. And frankly, if there’s no reason to work because you can’t afford a home and you’re just paying taxes to put a foreign army on hotels then why would you even want to work?
 
The old people who paid in all their lives? Yes. The rest can fuck off
Valid, but at the same time, that money is gone. If working people stop paying into ponzi-pension schemes, the whole thing collapses overnight.

Absolutely not. The best time to be a grafter, to be someone who wants to work and climb the ladder, is now.
PL but i went to work in a warehouse picking items for dispatch in my late 30s. I had 2 years wage in the bank and did it to prove that I still have the graft. I was on a temp contract and the timeline from temp to perm was 18 months with another 18 months of perm before the chance of promotion. I was offered team leader after 4 months.

I work various jobs and when I'm in higher-level management, I can spot the super-stars on the shop floor a mile away. The older generation come in to work, the younger generation act like they're there by force and are always demanding more, while offering nothing.
No offense, but you just sound like a victim of a shit labor market.
I see no reason why you should be a human forklift at 30+ instead of working an office job (or any age at that matter). Lifting stuff is for machines, and that as a barrier to better job is just stupid. I know few group leaders that have a fetish over their engineers doing menial work "to learn", but they are idiots that don't realize you don't learn engineering by pushing wheel-carts and you will just get hated by workers for forcing them to do that.
I got a permanent contract at 30 the moment I stepped into a new office after ending the previous one at previous employer. Doing the temp wasn't even an option and I said that right away. I have no clue why someone would push themselves into disadvantageous position and risk their lives doing warehouse work when you can simply pick a different employer that will treat you fairly from the get-go.
The super stars will get injured or their soul sucked out thru bureaucracy and being pushed away because they would threaten the inner-establishment of the workplace.
You have to see the fear of managers interviewing you and finding out you outrank and out-compete them on every level. They know their only way to exist is to have no such competition and they will ride their position or company into the dirt to save their own asses.

Regardless, I worked enough with geriatric old people to find out they don't even do any work. They aren't lazy per-se, but their work output is 0 while they actually come to office and they aren't on sick leave or any other health related issues. Regular kid does the work of 10 old timers now - if he's skilled and ... wants to. Old timers never learned to use tools efficiently and technology simply ran over them. The issue is, nobody gives a fuck anymore about corporate and capable kids aren't doing the regular 9-5 jobs and are rather starting their own startups. /rant
 
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Naw, you can fuck off with that. The old people are getting way, way more than they ever paid in. Look at the debt they’ve racked up, lol
Kill yourself. The old people worked with their blood, sweat and tears, lived through more poverty and bullshit that you can imagine and earned every fucking penny of their pension.

You couldn't even last without the internet, let alone no electricity or water. Kill yourself.
 
Naw, you can fuck off with that. The old people are getting way, way more than they ever paid in. Look at the debt they’ve racked up, lol
No, they paid in. Whether the government mismanaged the money isn’t their fault. They worked straight out of school, often left school at 14. They were promised they’d be looked after. They rebuilt the country after the war. We’ve apparently got money to put millions of foreign fighting age men in nice hotels and send millions to foreign wars, and nothing for own elderly? No. We should look after our own cradle to grave. Someone who has worked all their life should not face poverty in their old age.
 
Growing up poor teaches you the necessity of work. Work fucking sucks, but being broke and one bad turn from disaster sucks worse. Genuine need cures social anxiety.

Might as well ask "why hunt or gather?"
 
No, they paid in. Whether the government mismanaged the money isn’t their fault. They worked straight out of school, often left school at 14. They were promised they’d be looked after. They rebuilt the country after the war. We’ve apparently got money to put millions of foreign fighting age men in nice hotels and send millions to foreign wars, and nothing for own elderly? No. We should look after our own cradle to grave. Someone who has worked all their life should not face poverty in their old age.
My dad was born in a slum, left school at 14, got a trade and worked so hard me and my family want for nothing.

i just want to minecraft “fuck old people” retards as they wouldn’t last a day on the tools let alone sixty years of hard graft,
 
No, they paid in. Whether the government mismanaged the money isn’t their fault. They worked straight out of school, often left school at 14. They were promised they’d be looked after. They rebuilt the country after the war. We’ve apparently got money to put millions of foreign fighting age men in nice hotels and send millions to foreign wars, and nothing for own elderly? No. We should look after our own cradle to grave. Someone who has worked all their life should not face poverty in their old age.

I disagree. It is absolutely their fault. They have been voting for all this “mismanagement”, have they not?

I don’t think it is a good use of our resources as a society to transfer an ever-increasing share of our output to the elderly. It’ll have to stop somewhere, the whole fkn thing is a Ponzi. We should at least lay it at the feet of those who were there most when it was set up and executed.
 
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