UK Young people are rejecting work. Why?

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“I’m considering living in the wild, just trotting around the globe with little money,” reads a post on a Reddit forum for Neets. “I was working [in] a retail store and the first few hours were OK, then I had to deal with customers,” reads another. “I packed my bag and just left.”

In this forum, a community of 44,000 people from around the world share advice and discuss the challenges of being a Neet — an acronym for not in education, employment or training.

It is not just an online phenomenon. “I could never go back to working a normal job again,” Morgan, who left his role in 2020 and asked to remain anonymous, told the FT. “With inflation and rents rising, the incentive to devote all of my time to an employer to barely scrape by didn’t make sense any more.”

In the third quarter of this year, official UK figures showed 13 per cent of 16 to 24-year-olds were Neets, nearly 1mn people. Two-fifths of these were looking for work; the rest were “economically inactive”, neither working nor looking, opting out of the labour market completely.

This puts the number of economically inactive young people close to its highest level — a similar story in Europe and the US, where more than 1 in 10 young people are Neets.

While the term first gained traction in 1990s UK government policy, which sought to help older teenagers into work, it has since been adopted internationally and by a wider subculture of economically inactive people. Reddit’s Neet forum includes people in their 50s; recent posts depict a “self-loathing man of inaction late 20s/early 30s” or ask if “30+ NEETS [can] turn their life around?”

After starting out as a car salesman ten years ago, Morgan, now 30, was forced out of work by depression and an illness that took him in and out of hospital. When he recovered, the pandemic had shut his industry down: he opted out of work, using the time to teach himself how to repair old cars and post videos online.

“My time to develop my interests was worth more than I could make working, even if it wasn’t making me any money,” he says. But eventually the bills began to pile up. “I was put out on the street for unpaid rent. I lived in my car for a few days before a friend took me in. I’m lucky that’s where I am today.”

Josh, 24, dropped out of university after deciding it wasn’t worth the money. “I went on to have a few retail jobs but I found it tough to interact with people in the workplace because of my social anxiety,” he told the FT. I’ve moved back in with my parents now, who are able to support me. I help my mum around the house and I’m trying to teach myself programming.”

Louise Murphy, economist at the Resolution Foundation think-tank, says mental health is one driver of rising Neet numbers: in 20 years, the proportion of young people reporting a disorder such as anxiety or bipolar has increased from a quarter to a third. This makes them more likely to be out of work: an RF report found between 2018 and 2022, 21 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds with mental health problems were jobless, compared with 13 per cent of those without.

Niall O’Higgins, an International Labour Organization economist, suggests younger people are also disenchanted with the quality of jobs on offer, and are “lacking prospects for development, workplace training and the ability to build up their options”.

Employers make themselves more attractive, he says, by offering flexibility and support, including “exploring alternatives in terms of organisation of work”. In a survey of Gen Z workers by talent sourcing platform A.Team, 80 per cent said the four-day working week should be the norm, 60 per cent would like a hybrid working model, and half valued training opportunities.

Murphy says nurturing relationships can have a significant impact. “When we asked what young people would change about the world of work, they didn’t ask for big, flashy reforms. They wanted to have more human, understanding managers.” This might include additions like one-to-one catch-ups which are not the norm in all professions.

“I resent the accusation that young people don’t want to work,” Morgan says. “Everyone wants to contribute, but the reward for devoting your time to doing so is no longer worth it in many cases.”

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Lemme guess. You're fast approaching retirement and never saved a penny for it so you're desperate that the state pension remains.
No. I’m middle aged. Well over a decade to go before I can even think of retiring. I keep my outgoings as low as I can and I save as much as I can. I am actually of the opinion that even us middle gen Xs may never get a state pension at all and I’m trying to save with that as an assumption - that the state will give me nothing at all. If I get it it’ll be a nice extra, but I do t have great confidence it will exist.
We get a free chat with the pension guy at work once a year and we shoot the breeze and he’s rather of that opinion too (not officially of course, he’s not allowed to say such things but off the record because I bought us a nice coffee and I know his wife) , although he thinks my cohort may just squeak through.
What I do have in my life is a lot of early boomers who saved and worked shitty jobs and scraped so their kids, us, could have homes and be fed. Those boomers grew up in serious poverty. Real poverty, like no heating or electricity and outside toilets poverty, not ‘my iPhone is three years old poverty.’ And their parents grew up in literal slums, when workhouses were still a thing and the old just worked and then died of they had no one.
I dont want to go back to that and I can see it happening. We have enough to look after our old people, IF we stop pissing money up the wall on migrants and wars and utter billshit.
Merry Christmas
 
I know how to code. Not helping much to be honest.
Last I checked, it was the first major job after manufacturing that got outsourced since, you know, code can be sent over the internet.
And then ai happened and now it's probably going to be the first job replaced by automation.
 
Farmers in Middle Ages working every day backbreaking labor to cultivate a field only for a draught to ruin it
They only diid a full 7-9 hour day during harvest time. The rest of the year it was only a couple of hours a day. Plus they didn’t work Sundays or Holy Days and there’s a lot of Holy Days.

It was also a cultural expectation that feudal lords provide meals for their serfs multiple times a day in between toiling.
 
Even though it’s been said a gorillion times in this thread, I get it. You get told to work for shit pay and no benefits where you get told you’re just paying your dues. Then you get denied promotions to meet diversity quotas because your 10x great-grandparents may have said an unkind word to a pee oh cee. But your costs of living keep going up to where you need a second gig. Meanwhile you get told that having white skin means you should be undeserving of even a subsistence wage. Your neighborhood is now full of brown drug dealers and pimps but you can’t afford to live elsewhere. Then you get made redundant at the age of 32 while your next employer tells you that you need to work for shit pay and zero benefits so you can pay your dues.

I totally get walking away from all that.
 
Christmas has been taken over by Jews and I refuse to desecrate the name of Jesus by consoooming alcohol, excess food and non-recyclable chink-shit, shipped half-way around the world, just because Avi longnose-shekelbaum tells me to.

Made me take two extra anti-depressants from reading this, thanks.
 
Over-regulated, weird cultures, expectations of long hours, idiotic people acting nepotistically, endemic social climbing, poor prospects for advancement, instability, will-sapping multi-stage application procedures for menial roles, grown-ass immigrants taking over the low-end labour market, the ease of faking mental or emotional disorders which allow for a comfortable subsistence, trading prospects of conventional social advancement through work, for long-term security in an increasingly uncertain world, and charities basically expecting you to work for free being now the main way many are directed to "enter" the job market.
This, of course, plays into the hands of the state, as the beneficiaries of welfare are seldom thought to challenge expansions to the state's power, as long as they are guised as enhancing or protecting their perceived right to do nothing.
- I have not worked proper in years, I did some voluntary a while back, like two years.
The actual director was randomly rude to me in a back stairwell when I was signing back in after working on the vans; I'd been yoinked twice in a row quick to help with deliveries, but had forgotten to sign myself back out the second time, as I was hurried along, and was asking aloud the fella I was with if I should backdate the log when I came in.
And this self-important berk says something snide as he walks past up the stairs, I go "Who was that prick?"
and was told "Ah, he owns the place".
Can't remember what it was, but he pissed me right off.
I was spending bus fare to come up for sweet jack shit.
Never volunteer free labour for an organization on the prospect of "experience".
I suppose I should have figured that far sooner.
 
I don't understand why anyone would be a NEET now knowing full well how Western governments hate their own people.
Neets are neets because they have no skill and they have no skills because they're retarded. and since they're retarded they cant see their bennies getting cut to placate mohamad. its even stupider if they're neets because they didn't want to work to pay for mohammad's bennies in the first place.
 
Neets are neets because they have no skill and they have no skills because they're retarded. and since they're retarded they cant see their bennies getting cut to placate mohamad. its even stupider if they're neets because they didn't want to work to pay for mohammad's bennies in the first place.
do you consider journos not retarded despite being employed?
 
Neets are neets because they have no skill and they have no skills because they're retarded. and since they're retarded they cant see their bennies getting cut to placate mohamad. its even stupider if they're neets because they didn't want to work to pay for mohammad's bennies in the first place.
Second to a NEET is the Millennial University Graduate. They will only do whats on their job description, will sob about coming into the office, and cry about not getting promoted despite never developing any skills other than the ones they walk in with.

I’m sick of managing 30 year old entitled children, bros.
 
Second to a NEET is the Millennial University Graduate. They will only do whats on their job description, will sob about coming into the office, and cry about not getting promoted despite never developing any skills other than the ones they walk in with.

I’m sick of managing 30 year old entitled children, bros.
so a majority of the adult population
 
Last I checked, it was the first major job after manufacturing that got outsourced since, you know, code can be sent over the internet.
And then ai happened and now it's probably going to be the first job replaced by automation.
In all honesty its more likely data entry; you can make alot of code boilerplate with it but AI still struggles on doing the logic in the code correctly, so we're probably still a few years out on an affordable model that can generate reasonable code into an existing codebase...
Meanwhile data entry is taking data from one document or medium and splatting it into another with some simple structure or rules... things like accounting might go away quicker than coding.
 
Second to a NEET is the Millennial University Graduate. They will only do whats on their job description, will sob about coming into the office, and cry about not getting promoted despite never developing any skills other than the ones they walk in with.

I’m sick of managing 30 year old entitled children, bros.
Who's the retard hiring them? :smug:
 
I am actually of the opinion that even us middle gen Xs may never get a state pension at all and I’m trying to save with that as an assumption - that the state will give me nothing at all. If I get it it’ll be a nice extra, but I do t have great confidence it will exist.
We get a free chat with the pension guy at work once a year and we shoot the breeze and he’s rather of that opinion too (not officially of course, he’s not allowed to say such things but off the record because I bought us a nice coffee and I know his wife) , although he thinks my cohort may just squeak through.

Merry Christmas
16 years ago ...
Merry Christmas
 
No. I’m middle aged. Well over a decade to go before I can even think of retiring. I keep my outgoings as low as I can and I save as much as I can. I am actually of the opinion that even us middle gen Xs may never get a state pension at all and I’m trying to save with that as an assumption - that the state will give me nothing at all. If I get it it’ll be a nice extra, but I do t have great confidence it will exist.
We get a free chat with the pension guy at work once a year and we shoot the breeze and he’s rather of that opinion too (not officially of course, he’s not allowed to say such things but off the record because I bought us a nice coffee and I know his wife) , although he thinks my cohort may just squeak through.
What I do have in my life is a lot of early boomers who saved and worked shitty jobs and scraped so their kids, us, could have homes and be fed. Those boomers grew up in serious poverty. Real poverty, like no heating or electricity and outside toilets poverty, not ‘my iPhone is three years old poverty.’ And their parents grew up in literal slums, when workhouses were still a thing and the old just worked and then died of they had no one.
I dont want to go back to that and I can see it happening. We have enough to look after our old people, IF we stop pissing money up the wall on migrants and wars and utter billshit.
Merry Christmas

You cannot save for retirement. The prices of the assets you are buying with your “savings” are inflated because of everyone else who is also “saving” for retirement.

With the demographic shift, these assets will all become relatively worthless and you will not be able to sustain yourself in retirement.

If you just save cash or buy bonds, the government will inflate that away.

Gold, silver, bitcoin, stocks, real estate, etc…these are all currently greater fool/Ponzi economics.

You will likely die in extreme poverty, the likes of which your boomer parents could not imagine.

Merry Christmas.
 
The problem is cheap food. Once you feel hunger you’ll clean shit off the floor to earn a bit to eat.
 
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