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Scientists here in the west are quite understanding of the danger, and abaolutely fucking autistic about the security protocols. Chinese scientists though? Well. The results speak for themselves. Here's two anecdotes to illustrate the sheer unbridalled autism of lab conditions:

-here's one I witnessed but didn't participate: a scientist wearing 3 layers of gloves. You might say: 3 layers? Why? Well: first layer was the normal lab gloves. Nothing too weird there, you're working with samples, even if they're noninfectious you could pollute the sample and that's not ok, so you wear them. Right. Well before getting the 2nd layer we get the first disinfectant, you don't wanna possibly pollute the lab equipment, so even though you're wearing gloves, just in case, clean them, even if they're new. Second layer is part of the equipment, labs for contagious shit often feature a screen to keep the shit behind. This screen sometimes have thick rubber gloves attached to it so you don't have to put your arms around it. This is specially true for any lab using radioactive markers. Well, second layer of disinfectant: those gloves are static, non-disposable, so before ysing them slather that shit in disinfectant, and then 3rd layer. Said disinfectant can fuck up the sample, so cover the thick rubber gloves with disposable gloves to protect it. Hence, the triple layered autistic glove monster from hell. Now you may think: what kinda shit they were working on to have this kinda autism at full display? Ecoli. It was god damned ecoli. Radioactive markers means the screen has to be used, even if the risk of infection is practically 0.

-and one I actually participated in: here's the first time I realized the sheer level of autism of biolabs during lab practices: the protocol which we were under strict supervision to ensure we followed call for us to put the sealed container with the sample inside the presurized bell (while wearing gloves already of course), then use disinfectant on the gloves before entering the bell with our hands, use a disposable pipette contained in an individual package which is only ever opened within the bell and dispose of both the package and the pipette in a container inside the bell after use. All this just to add an enzime to the sample which is resealed within the bell before being taken to the incubator, then use disinfectant again on the gloves. Seems like a really strict protocol for really dangerous stuff. Huh? Well that was human skin tissue. That... that was just skin. The reason for this protocol is not to protect us, but the sample, and avoid pollution. THIS IS THE LEVEL OF AUTISM PRESENT IN WESTERN LABS. This is the BASE level of autism for PERFECTLY SAFE SAMPLES. Just saying, this shit wouldn't have escaped over here! China though? Well you already heard that guy that worked there rile against the conditions, AND WITH GOOD REASON!

And yet your story inadvertently shows where the systemic autism fails. Look at your second story. “Dispose of the pipette and it’s packaging within the bell”. The Scientists May be autistic about this. But the cleaning staff? Any process that creates physical waste such as sterile packaging materials ultimately gets trickled down to being dealt with by unskilled poorly paid cleaning staff. Yeah sure you red bag the bio waste. What happens to it next? How does it mysteriously disappear each night?

The CDC had a major panic a few years back because they mishandled some level 4 materials and were afraid contaminated workers had gone home possibly carrying something nasty.
 
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And yet your story inadvertently shows where the systemic autism fails. Look at your second story. “Dispose of the pipette and it’s packaging within the bell”. The Scientists May be autistic about this. But the cleaning staff? Any process that creates physical waste such as sterile packaging materials ultimately gets trickled down to being dealt with by unskilled poorly paid cleaning staff. Yeah sure you red bag the bio waste. What happens to it next? How does it mysteriously disappear each night?

That's where your specialized biowaste pick-up and disposal companies come in. That stuff doesn't go out with your kitchen rubbish.

However, those companies are yet another link in the chain that if it fails, is a huge safety concern.

There was a scandal here a couple of years ago when a small clinical waste disposal company took on hospital contracts far in excess of its capabilities and resulted in human clinical waste piling up in the most disgusting and dangerous ways.


At one site, an inspector writes that human waste had been stored in a broken refrigerator for so long that “I noted there was such a strong, powerful odour of decaying flesh that I was unable to stay in the entrance to the unit for more than a few seconds”.


In many cases, the reports say the waste was not kept in fridges at all. As one inspector wrote last July, with increasing exasperation: “Anatomical waste is still not being contained in the refrigeration unit and despite prolonged and high temperatures the country is currently experiencing [it is] stored outside in full sun and under black shrink wrap.”


Elsewhere, photos from the inspectors show a broken bucket leaking blood which has clotted on the floor, a sample vial trodden on and with blood on the ground around it, unspecified liquid seeping from the drains to the property next door, loose used syringes and sharps piled high in boxes instead of in closed tubs where they should be.


The carelessness documented in the reports is breathtaking. In one site, a closed container labelled “Cat 3 Micro” had been apparently sawn open by a worker to create a makeshift inspection

flap. The label indicated the bin was for “Category 3” pathogens from a microbiology facility. The pathogen danger scale only goes up to four, and three includes rabies, yellow fever and HIV.






Inspectors observed a chaotic scene where pallets and bins were piled too high, buckets stored on their side or upside down, and waste left for too long. At one site, the inspectors found anatomical waste dating from 2016. Another bin was marked 2015. At the same place, blister packs of unused pills were strewn on the ground, leading to suspicions that intruders had been rummaging for valuable medicines.


At one site, inspectors noted the smell before they had even got through the gates. They found the manager there did not have the qualifications required to run such a facility. In all, there were 53 instances last year when inspectors graded HES facilities as “C2” — rated as “a non-compliance which could have a significant environmental effect”. No wonder the Agency eventually shut it down.


At the heart of the matter was one key problem: HES was storing rubbish at its depots for far longer than anticipated because it could not incinerate the junk fast enough. Most were found to have two or three times more waste stored there than they were licensed to hold. While that doesn’t excuse the careless way it was stored, it goes some way towards explaining it.
 
Real death toll may be around 25k
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Edit (Since I'm not on my phone now):
154,023 Confirmed Cases (Yesterday +20,979)
79,808 Suspected cases (Yesterday +20,750)
269 cured (Yesterday 72)
24,589 dead (Yesterday 1,546)

Who knows how accurate these numbers are (and we never will know, main reason why they are turning down help) but these figures make the CCP response seem much more explainable than just a few hundred deaths, as well as the smog. Certainly more trustworthy than the official figures that perfectly match a linear progression model.
 
The US House of Representatives held hearings on the coronavirus outbreak; there public health experts argued that travel restrictions and quarantining measure would only hinder the virus's spread, that "by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks".


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Coronavirus: health experts tell US Congress travel bans will not stop the outbreak
  • Travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, lawmaker hear, are ‘effectively penalising’ the country and may chill the sharing of information
  • Those testifying suggest bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration
Owen Churchill
Owen Churchill

Published: 7:13am, 6 Feb, 2020

Public health experts warned US lawmakers on Wednesday that aggressive travel restrictions and quarantining measures would do little to combat the global spread of the coronavirus outbreak.
Testifying on Capitol Hill, the experts, including the former coordinator of the US government’s response to the Ebola virus, cautioned that travel bans were not only generally ineffective but could also thwart the ability of the US to work with global partners, including China, to counter the outbreak.
Since Sunday, the US has denied entry to non-US citizens – with some exceptions – arriving from China and quarantining those arriving from Hubei province, where the contagion originated.
Though the US is not the only nor the first nation to institute such measures, Beijing has singled it out as what it considers an instigator of rising global panic over the outbreak of the contagion, also known as 2019-nCoV.


The “best evidence” drawn from past global epidemics had shown that lockdowns on travel generally only delayed an introduction of a contagion by a matter of weeks, said Jennifer Nuzzo, an associate professor at Johns Hopkins University’s Centre for Health Security.

“That is not meaningful in the context of developing a vaccine,” said Nuzzo, estimating that development of a vaccine in this case could take up to a year.

Moreover, she said, by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks.


Instead, the experts testifying before lawmakers on a House foreign affairs subcommittee urged the government to focus its attention on bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration, particularly with China’s health authorities.

Ron Klain, a former government official who led the Obama administration’s response to the Ebola outbreak in 2014-15, said: “The best way to keep Americans safe is to eschew isolationism and help other nations combat the virus.”

Klain praised the Trump administration’s creation last week of a task force, chaired by Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar, to coordinate a multi-agency response to the outbreak.
But those efforts were undermined by the absence of a full-time official overseeing the administration’s actions, said Klain, pointing to US President Donald Trump’s disbanding in mid-2018 of the National Security Council’s pandemic preparedness and response directorate.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...lic-health-agency-orders-mandatory-quarantine
According to committee leaders, administration officials had rejected invitations to testify on Wednesday, in what was the first congressional hearing on the coronavirus.

“I’m profoundly disappointed that the Trump administration would not agree to send any government officials to testify today,” said Representative Eliot Engel, Democrat of New York.
Behind closed doors, public health officials from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), HHS and other agencies have provided numerous briefings to lawmakers about the status of the government’s response to the contagion’s spread.
As of Wednesday, the virus has infected more than 27,600 people worldwide and killed 563. All but two of those deaths have occurred in mainland China.
Representative Ted Yoho, Republican of Florida, greets Dr Jennifer Bouey, an epidemiologist and China policy specialist at the RAND Corporation, before the congressional hearing on Wednesday. Photo: Getty Images/AFP

Representative Ted Yoho, Republican of Florida, greets Dr Jennifer Bouey, an epidemiologist and China policy specialist at the RAND Corporation, before the congressional hearing on Wednesday. Photo: Getty Images/AFP
Wednesday’s hearing came amid growing calls from Congress on the administration to submit a formal request to the legislative branch for additional emergency funds before Monday, when Trump is set to release the fiscal budget for the coming year.
In a letter on Tuesday, House Democrats working on appropriations appealed to the executive branch to request emergency funding from Congress to funnel into the development of vaccines, direct assistance to state and local health departments and enhanced screenings at airports, among other initiatives.
“Tell us what you need, and then we’ll work to get that available to you as quickly as possible,” Representative Ami Bera, Democrat of California and chairman of the subcommittee on Asia, the Pacific and non-proliferation, said on Wednesday.
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/sout...s-here-are-countries-and-airlines-restricting
Wednesday’s warnings about the efficacy of measures the Trump administration has taken echoed concerns raised this week by a former senior World Health Organisation (WHO) official who said containment of the virus depended not on border control but on the strength of countries’ domestic health care systems.
“Borders cannot stop infectious diseases, and you may have your eye on one border and one activity and the other activity escapes you and something comes in from another side,” David Heymann, who oversaw the WHO’s response to the Sars crisis, said at an event in London.
WHO officials have urged countries that have implemented travel bans, which include Singapore, Japan and the US, to consider rolling back the restrictions.
https://www.scmp.com/news/world/uni...ronavirus-us-declares-public-health-emergency

Such calls come amid growing reports of increased stigmatisation of and discrimination towards ethnic Chinese people around the world.
Calling out policies that distinguish between the “colour of the passport someone carries”, Klain said that “all of us need to be on the watch” for discrimination against Chinese-Americans and Chinese immigrants.
“It is a battle between human and virus,” said Jennifer Huang Bouey, an epidemiologist and specialist in China policy at the RAND Corporation. “It’s not between person to person, it’s not between party to party, it’s not between country to country.”


Owen Churchill
Owen joined the Post as US correspondent in 2018 after several years working as a reporter and editor in China. He covers US-China relations, trade, and wider issues concerning China's global presence. A co-founder of the Shanghai-based news outlet Sixth Tone, he is an alumnus of London's School of Oriental and African Studies and Fudan University in Shanghai.
 
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So, who is next on the list to become the factory slave of all the rest of the modern world if China disappears ?

Is it how we all get our jobs back home ? :story:

Now demonetized or fallen from grace youtubers can finally get a job !

No more fucking excuses !
Just double-up on Indian exploitation.
 
Who knows how accurate these numbers are (and we never will know, main reason why they are turning down help) but these figures make the CCP response seem much more explainable than just a few hundred deaths, as well as the smog. Certainly more trustworthy than the official figures that perfectly match a linear progression model.
On the question of numbers...


Looking at the latest dashboard data, the CCP lists 19k cases, 549 deaths for Hubei. 2.9% mortality rate. Look at any other province. Show me one with a mortality rate above 0.02%.

Can someone please ask the CCP to explain why coronavirus patients in Hubei are dying more rapidly than anywhere else in China? Is this because the disease is geographically selective, or is it racist for a Westerner to notice you are bad liars?
 
It could be because it the crowded conditions in Hubei ... but more likely, the officials see how fucked the officials in Hubei are, and thus hide and re-classify all deaths as non-coronavirus related to escape Beijing's ire.
 
Science confirms:

God would rather you fuck a dog than eat him

Editing post to add some new news out of the WHO

BREAKING: World Health Organization issues an appeal for $675 million to fight the coronavirus outbreak

Make of it what you will. Anyone have any better ideas behind the implications of this?

Just remember

It's only a flu guys
Apparently sucking China’s dick didn’t get them the funding they were hoping for. And what exactly is the WHO going to do with the money? Spend it on hiring experts to find an appropriate name for the Chinese bat plague?
 
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They're on a cruise ship. Unless everyone has spent the last few days hiding out in their cabins, it's safe to say everyone on board has or at least has been exposed to it. Everything from dining to bathrooms is communal and the medical faculties on board are very limited.

On the question of numbers...


Looking at the latest dashboard data, the CCP lists 19k cases, 549 deaths for Hubei. 2.9% mortality rate. Look at any other province. Show me one with a mortality rate above 0.02%.

Can someone please ask the CCP to explain why coronavirus patients in Hubei are dying more rapidly than anywhere else in China? Is this because the disease is geographically selective, or is it racist for a Westerner to notice you are bad liars?
I would guess their answer would be that Wuhan's faculties are being overwhelmed, which is the sole cause of those deaths. Everywhere else has zero fatalities because the brilliant medical staff have been able to provide the attentive care for which they are renowned. China Numba Wan!
 
The US House of Representatives held hearings on the coronavirus outbreak; there public health experts argued that travel restrictions and quarantining measure would only hinder the virus's spread, that "by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks".
If we're being real, the CCP wasn't ever going to accurately report this at any stage. I'm not sure it's possible to make them more dishonest than they already are. Since that's not a factor, closing borders was a reasonable step to mitigate spread.
 
According to the police, two women in Berlin-Moabit allegedly insulted a Chinese woman with racial slurs, spat on her, tore her by the hair and beat and kicked her. The 23-year-old suffered head injuries. The attackers fled. The police is investigating."
Who are these retards?

"Oh look, I found a wasps nest, I better hit it with a stick before they sting me."
 
IIRC men have slightly weaker immune systems and fewer autoimmune disorders than women. Stands to reason we die faster from disease.
 
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