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Some news from Germany - the racism against Chinese people is apparently on the rise.

According to the police, two women in Berlin-Moabit allegedly insulted a Chinese woman with racial slurs, spat on her, tore her by the hair and beat and kicked her. The 23-year-old suffered head injuries. The attackers fled. The police is investigating."

IT'S THOSE EVIL ALT-RIGHT NAZIS!!

Moabit's modern day population belongs to Berlin's most diverse. As of 2018, out of 78,491 inhabitants, 24,354 (31,02%) were non-German citizens. 39,408 (50,2%) had a migration background, making it one of the highest percentages alongside Gesundbrunnen, Kreuzberg and Wedding.

 
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I'm really surprised that the CCP didn't just start mass executing people who are confirmed to have the coronavirus in an attempt to keep it a secret. They were dumb enough to threaten a doctor for "spreading rumors" about a possible SARS outbreak. I wouldn't be surprised if that same doctor were personally blamed for the pandemic and shot in the head out in the open by a military general as a show to the general public of what happens when you... do whatever the doc did wrong.
 
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the CDC is making businesses in my area sanitize everything semihourily, is that happening to anyone outside of washington? should i be worried
 
To go with Zach Vorhees excellent analysis, China is now saying the US released the coronavirus as a bioweapon.

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English translation begins at line 61.

"I believe and have compelling circumstantial reason to believe that the American CIA injected and planted the so-called 'Wuhan virus' into Wuhan, China in or around the dates of October 31st 2019 and December 31st 2019 with intent to harm China and with potential to destablize and perhaps even motive to collapse China from within."

Highlights:

- US wants to keep it's supply chains
- The virus was released right after the trade deal
- The Swine Flu was a dry run
- Only targets ethnic Han, white people don't care about it
- China needs a deterrence plan
- End of the petrodollar hegemony
- Blowback, collateral risk are minimal with this vector of attack
- The US is bad
- It's probably war
- Everyone is saying mean things about China

Summary:

Interesting read, nothing other people haven't said already but notable for scope and breadth.

The political and economic focus puts this purely in the realm of propaganda, it's clearly produced for Western audiences. The specific officials cited are highly polarizing in the US but almost completely unknown to the public in Asia / the South Pacific. A Stylometric analysis of the original text would probably reveal common authorship with other letters, but I'm not set up to do that.

I took from this much will be made about the fact coronachan doesn't have much impact on Westerners. That doesn't exactly prove anything, but it's certainly a great jumping off point for conspiracy theorists.

My money is still on the idea China obtained lab samples from Canada, tested them on pigs, a dimwit sold diseased pigs to a wet market and chaos ensued. Whether the US could engineer that by letting it happen, maybe? It would be easier to accept if people in China washed their hands and didn't hate doctors.
Is this an actual CCP propagandist or just a pro-China version of Alex Jones? Can't find the text outside of Pastebin and /pol/ reposters.
 
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I'm really surprised that the CCP didn't just started mass executing people who are confirmed to have the coronavirus in an attempt to keep it a secret. They were dumb enough to threaten a doctor for "spreading rumors" about a possible SARS outbreak. I wouldn't be surprised if that same doctor were personally blamed for the pandemic and shot in the head out in the open by a military general as a show to the general public of what happens when you... do whatever the doc did wrong.

You can't mass execute people if the people you'd need to mass execute are already infected and suffering from the same thing as the ones you want executed. Assume one of the doctors they arrested was exposed, he passed it onto the ones who arrested him, those who arrested him passed in on to their families, the circle goes on and on and on.

If not for the fact that we can safely assume Xi is getting the premium of care while hundreds, thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of his people die horribly- at the very least I hope he's infected and miserable.

Outside of China

226 Confirmed / 1 Dead / 9 Recovered

I thought it was 2 Dead elsewhere? 1 in Hong Kong and 1 in the Philippines? and I wonder if those who died were ethnically Chinese or of mixed Chinese ancestry anyway. Given there's several cases elsewhere in the world that are still, at their core, Chinese citizens involved as tourists or family. So while they're in a different country, it still traces back nearly directly to China.
 
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Oh, this is interesting. The 'Human Rights and Democracy Centre' is basically a Hong Kong-based,PRC dissident named Frank Lu Siqing. He was born during the Cultural Revolution and has been kicking against the PRC for decades. He was imprisoned in the PRC in 1981 for calling for freedom of speech and in 1989 for supporting the pro-democracy movement at Tiannamen Square. He seems to have a good record when it comes to reporting the truth. Here's an 2002 article on him:


When thousands of laid-off workers marched down Victory Road in Liaoyang, China, this month, protesting corrupt factory leaders, the foreign media was tipped off by something called the Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy. When an evangelical Bible smuggler faced a possible death penalty in China early this year the world knew through the center.

Of the known human-rights cases in China, about two-thirds first come to light from the Hong Kong-based outfit, China watchers say.

Yet the "center" is just one person a Chinese Don Quixote named Frank Lu Siqing.


Armed with a cellphone, a pager, and a rare network of some 2,000 mainland sources, Mr. Lu works 14- hour days, tilting at the windmills of Chinese state security and disseminating news that does not appear in China's state-controlled media.

What's remarkable given his subject, supporters say, is that Lu is practically the only person doing such work.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1983/1117/111734.html
So effective has China been at intimidating and shutting off any investigation or criticism of its internal behavior that at the annual UN human-rights body in Geneva last week no country sponsored a critique of China. (The US has regularly done so, but was voted off the 53-member commission last year.)

Conduits of information out of China on prisoners of conscience or dissenters have dried up, leaving mainly second- or third-hand networks of academics and exiles.

"Practically no one is left," says one American source. "They are either retired or in prison."

"In China, the scale of abuses is very large. What we know is the tip of the iceberg," says Robin Munro, a veteran British-based human-rights expert. "In most parts of the world, human-rights awareness comes from the NGO community, people plugged into activist circles. In China, since 1949, no groups have been allowed in. A human rights monitoring effort in China invariably means arrest. What allows Lu to exist is his base in Hong Kong, and his sources."


CHINA watchers say his sources who report on news that is omitted or not considered for official media give Lu's operation its edge. For example, China to this day has not reported on nearly two months of protests both in the north and the south of laid off workers seeking pensions and back pay.

Until last year, Lu ran his entire operation out of a single crowded room in a Hong Kong walk-up. Since 1996, he has single-handedly put out some 2,500 reports on cases of abuse twice as many as the three major China human-rights watch groups combined.

Lu was born in Hunan Province, in central China. But he says his parents left him when he was two months old. They were forced to participate in the Cultural Revolution, the Mao-dictated project of social engineering to overhaul traditional China. Lu was raised by a family friend, and did not see his parents for nearly 13 years. "This was very painful," he says. "I don't want to talk about it."


But he remembers reading Chinese characters at age 5, considered early. Such reading included the political posters that saturated public spaces during the Mao era. "Even then, I knew it was a lie. Even as a child, you have some judgment, and you see these writings, and you know they aren't true."

At the same time, Lu dreamed of being able to say what he wanted. "I wanted free expression. I was so angry. I felt the lie could not be changed, yet I remained angry at the lie.

Year by year, you think this over..."


Over the years, he has carved out a network of mainlanders willing to call his beeper. Some are remnants of the shattered political dissident movements or families or friends of detainees. Others are mainland Chinese reporters who phone him from public booths, where calls are harder to trace.

"I get a lot of leads on my pager from local journalists in China," says Lu.

"They know the big news, but are frustrated that they can't tell it. Some of the time, they feel guilty and they call."


This week, when China labor camp veteran and whistle blower Harry Wu was denied access to Hong Kong, when American Chinese scholars were detained, when members of the outlawed Falun Gong were sent to prison Lu sent a fax to media representatives throughout Asia.

Not all see Lu in laudatory terms, however. Some view him as a "one man band." He has been criticized for not sharing sources, for trying to monopolize, and at one point for belittling other groups. Moreover, when Lu first got started in the early 1990s, he was accused of fabricating two reports.

Yet in recent years, his reputation has turned around. He is now known for double-checking facts and hand writing press releases so they can't be forged or duplicated. "I've watched his faxes and reports for many years. What's amazing and I don't use that word often is that to my knowledge, I've never seen him proved wrong. Basically, there is everyone else, and there is Frank Lu."


In person Lu is unassuming, matter of fact, and a bit restless. He says he suffers from insomnia and other stress-related conditions. He changes cellphones every month, reports that he is sometimes followed, and worries that authorities in Hong Kong, evermore bending to authorities in Beijing, are looking for excuses to shut him down.

HE ALSO says that human-rights work has become extremely difficult. The Chinese economy has been performing well and a new generation of Chinese aren't interested. Funding is also difficult (Lu operates off one main $20,000 grant per year).

"The human rights period in China is slowing down," he says. "It has been forgotten."


To some, the point seems dramatized by the recent absence of criticism in the Geneva forum, an outcome China has long sought.

"Chinese security forces have been effective in rolling up all organized political dissent," says Andrew Nathan of Columbia University in New York. "The last organized movement I know of was the Chinese Democracy Party, all of whose leaders are now in jail. Human rights work on China is a hard slog for all the groups involved."

Beijing officials argue that, gradually, rights are improving in China. They say China has a different concept of human rights, and highlight progress in fundamental areas, like feeding and clothing their enormous population.


"China seeks mutual equality and respect [on the question of human rights]," said foreign media spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue. "China wishes to develop a common consensus and cooperation."


What Lu and others now focus on are crackdowns on underground churches, on spiritual movements like the Falun Gong inside China (itself, largely shut down), and the recent protests of xiagang, or laid off workers. Last month in Liaoning province, coal, steel, and petrochemical workers protested about what they say are inadequate pensions.

When asked why so many of his sources will talk with him, Lu says he adopts a very simple approach. When Lu calls a police station or the courts, or local witnesses, he doesn't say he is a human rights monitor. "They would just hang up." Instead, he says, he operates on the assumption that people want to tell the truth. "I eventually say, 'I just want to know the truth,' and people respond."
 
Now you may think: what kinda shit they were working on to have this kinda autism at full display? Ecoli. It was god damned ecoli.
I have a fun story that will probably fuck with some lab techs' autism.

The local plastics manufacturer called a plumber I know to camera the feed piping to one of their production lines. The line was having problems and the manufacturer and their supplier got into a slap fight over who's fault it was. Plumber shows up, talks to one of the production engineers and the engineer asks if it's possible to wipe the camera down with alcohol pads. Plumber tells the engineer they can wipe it down with whatever they want, but this is a sewer camera. The plumber offhandedly asks what this line makes. The engineer responds, "Petri dishes." I'm sure their customers will be studying e coli for awhile. Whether they want to or not.
 
The US House of Representatives held hearings on the coronavirus outbreak; there public health experts argued that travel restrictions and quarantining measure would only hinder the virus's spread, that "by instituting travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, the US was “effectively penalising” the country for reporting cases, adding that such actions could diminish Beijing’s willingness to share data and discourage other countries from being transparent about their own outbreaks".


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Coronavirus: health experts tell US Congress travel bans will not stop the outbreak
  • Travel bans and quarantines targeting travellers from China, lawmaker hear, are ‘effectively penalising’ the country and may chill the sharing of information
  • Those testifying suggest bolstering the preparedness of public health providers in the US and increasing international collaboration
Owen Churchill
Owen Churchill

Published: 7:13am, 6 Feb, 2020

Public health experts warned US lawmakers on Wednesday that aggressive travel restrictions and quarantining measures would do little to combat the global spread of the coronavirus outbreak.
Testifying on Capitol Hill, the experts, including the former coordinator of the US government’s response to the Ebola virus, cautioned that travel bans were not only generally ineffective but could also thwart the ability of the US to work with global partners, including China, to counter the outbreak.

Sometimes ya just gotta given them viruses space to destroy!
 
For Chinese, acting stupid is actually survival trait, I am 100% serious and not even joking this time - anyone too smart or educated got killed by Mao, stupid peasants and few smart ones who twigged to the fact and knew how to put on an act survived. This has changed, but getting rid of decades of programming and generational trauma takes time.
Even knowing this is what they did, I still don't understand why they did it.
I remain doubtful that this was engineered as a bioweapon. More likely it was a lab grown, for lack of a better term, adversary. An example of an expected and fast spreading virus that the scientists were using as the means to test things like potential cures and vaccines against in controlled lab conditions. In case you haven't figured it out yet Scientists are often idiots, and will cook this sort of thing up so they can find a cure for it for when it naturally occurs, never grasping the danger of cooking it up in the first place.
That's not the worst idea in the world, the problem is that it's a Chinese lab trying to do it. I trust China for cheap factory labor, not for curing herpes.
 
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I always thought IQ tests were kind of bullshit on this alone. Asians have the highest IQ in the world but independent thinking doesn't seem to be a factor in regards to high intelligence in those tests. I know IQ tests are for the most part accurate (The Bell Curve makes a valid point) but these people literally use shit water to make oil. I'm sure there are certain Hispanic and African countries who aren't as stupid as this (though I could be wrong). You'd think basic sanitary knowledge would be an important factor in finding out if someone is stupid or not. Peasants at least in the middle ages had the excuse that they didn't even know what germs were. But how can you be aware of how badly germs and pollution are and STILL cook your street food with a thousand wasps buzzing around and not care???
IQ tests were proven to be total bullshit in Vietnam when they had jet fighter pilots explain what they'd do if their planes were downed and they were captured by the Vietnamese. The Military found that the guys with the highest IQs seized up and couldn't say anything while the lower IQ people gave vivid scenarios on what they'd do.
Apparently there are also restaurants in China where there are pigs underneath the building and they make holes in the floor for customers to poop in and the pigs eat the poop. Then they kill the pigs to serve to the customer. What the flying fuck.
That's a thing people do in all sorts of countries, Egypt is also another place that does it if JoJo is a source to be trusted.
 
I may have missed it, but have there been any first hand reports from people that have recovered? Video of them? Anything beyond what the Chinese have reported recovered?

Edit - I specifically mean recovered Chinese people living in China. Not recovered people in non-shit hole countries. I'm just curious if there is any verification that the reported recovered numbers are true.
 
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