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Apparently the world is entering another economic crisis

They understood the gravity of the 2008 crisis well before the Federal Reserve
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c860bdde-b606-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f.html#axzz3x2QbGtX1

Sell everything ahead of stock market crash, say RBS economist
Royal Bank of Scotland warns of ‘cataclysmic’ year with slumps in shares and oil and advises clients to shift to bonds
http://www.theguardian.com/business...head-of-stock-market-crash-say-rbs-economists

US stocks suffer their worst first week of the year since records began
Standard & Poor’s 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by 6% and 6.2%, respectively, in the biggest ever fall for the first five days of January
http://www.theguardian.com/business...s-suffer-worst-first-week-since-records-began

How China could trigger a global crisis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/11/how-china-could-trigger-a-global-crisis/


Emerging economies can no longer power global growth, warns World Bank
An unprecedented 'synchronised slowdown' in emerging markets could yet jeopardise the world's prospects over the coming years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ger-power-global-growth-warns-World-Bank.html

Instead of imitating governments and waiting to act like with 2008 or the current refugee crisis, I've preempted this one myself by creating a thread. :sighduck:
 
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Wow I hope Britan can -steel- themselves before it gets worse:coster:

Seriously news seems to be bad all around. Even the Arabs are getting fucked by this Oil Crash. You'd think that cheaper oil would be good but apparently not. I won't lie though, I love spending 12 dollars on gas instead of 20

Cheap oil is a huge boost to most of the economy. It sucks for the Arabs and banks like DB that were exposed to oil, but it's great for everyone else. I think people in this thread comparing this to 2008 or even the great depression are a bit pessimistic.
 
In brazil since theres a monopoly in oil,gas prices are actually increasing.
Our state owned oil company is bleeding money because of the oil glut and the corruption scandal.
So if they lower the price,they are even more fucked up.
For even better performance and consumption, the government increased the ethanol portion to 25% of gasoline.
So our cars are slower,break down more and have less mpg.
Also diesel and aviation fuel are expensive as fuck due to the monopoly and taxes(up to 47% of our liter of gas is taxes).
 
Shit, it really looks like we will be in for another depression.
Time to hope that I can actually get a job this summer and maybe hope that this depression doesn't end with fucking World War III I guess.
At this point, I'd recommend learning how to distill alcohol and stocking up on white rice, dried beans, firearms (or crossbows), and ammunition. Learn how to trap squirrels as well, they're all over suburban areas and you can add squirrel bits into the bean and rice to get some extra protein.
 
Cheap oil is a huge boost to most of the economy. It sucks for the Arabs and banks like DB that were exposed to oil, but it's great for everyone else. I think people in this thread comparing this to 2008 or even the great depression are a bit pessimistic.

If this was anytime in the middle of the last century I would agree, but modern economics is very different. The world is highly interconnected now in a way that's not predictable anymore.
 
Cheap oil is a huge boost to most of the economy. It sucks for the Arabs and banks like DB that were exposed to oil, but it's great for everyone else. I think people in this thread comparing this to 2008 or even the great depression are a bit pessimistic.

If this was anytime in the middle of the last century I would agree, but the modern economics is very different. The world is highly interconnected now in a way that's not predictable anymore.

I have to agree with @Ass Manager 3000 on this one. The world is more interconnected. There is also the factor that exists that made what should have been billion dollar losses in 2008 into Trillion Dollar losses - the derivatives market. This market is now up to 1.2 Quadrillion. No, I did not make that number up either:

The derivatives market is, in a word, gigantic, often estimated at more that $1.2 quadrillion. Some market analysts estimate the derivatives market at more than 10 times the size of the total world gross domestic product, or GDP. The reason the derivatives market is so large is because there are numerous derivatives available on virtually every possible type of investment asset, including equities, commodities, bonds and foreign currency exchange. However, some analysts challenge estimates of the size of the derivatives market as vastly overstated.

Read more: How big is the derivatives market? | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052715/how-big-derivatives-market.asp#ixzz3zizYKCtM
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http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052715/how-big-derivatives-market.asp

While some may challenge the size of this sector, its impact in 2008 is very clear:


In other words, the initial round of losses won be the thing that sinks the world economy. It will the catalyst that sets everything ablaze.
 
Another financial instrument that came about after 2008 was the coco (contingent convertible bond). The word is that it was designed to prevent panic but it's now doing the opposite.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b75b285c-cf07-11e5-92a1-c5e23ef99c77.html#axzz3zj56gJVp
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At a simple level a company has owners, and it borrows money from lenders who expect to get their money back. If the business runs into trouble, the owners lose their stake and the debt becomes equity — lenders turn into owners — in what can be a drawn-out process of restructuring.

Because a bank in trouble would not have time for such negotiation, coco bonds are designed to anticipate that process and transform automatically from debt to equity when certain conditions are met. Their full name is tier one contingent convertible bonds, and most are also known as additional tier 1 capital (AT1 bonds).
They have their roots in the financial crisis, when governments were forced to bail out banks. Devised to help rebuild the capital that regulators require banks to hold in case of losses, cocos pay a fixed coupon, but convert to equity or can be written off when losses force a bank’s capital below a certain threshold

Why are investors worried?

Concerns have swirled around a range of European banks, including Deutsche Bank, Santander and UniCredit, amid questions about the way these bonds will be treated in the future.

While cocos are best known for the risk of capital losses, the immediate question for some banks is whether they will miss coupon payments. Deutsche Bank’s €1.75bn coco bond is trading below 75 cents on the euro, its lowest level, a 19 per cent fall in price this year.

A second question is whether buyers of coco bonds ever get their initial investment back. The bonds are perpetual, meaning they will not mature unless the bank exercises an option, typically after five years.

Investors had expected banks to almost always take up the option to redeem coco bonds, but regulators may not allow this if the bank would then have to issue new bonds at much higher costs. A perpetual bond with a 7 per cent coupon is worth much less than a five-year bond offering the same income.

Other European bank cocos hit new lows on Monday, with those of Santander and UniCredit touching 85 and 76.3 cents on the euro respectively. Investors are not taking any chances. They are selling bank debt and shares, and paying up for credit default protection on institutions seen as being in the vanguard of coco risk.

So far no bank has defaulted on a coco bond, and losses are limited to secondary markets.

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Just like 2008 another poorly designed financial instrument is damaging the banking system.
 
I don't know about you folks, but where I live people are going nuts about how world war 3 is coming due to the economic crisis, with some even hoping that there will be a huge war, because they think that will force economic growth and erase debts for some reason. Dunno what to think on this.
 
I don't know about you folks, but where I live people are going nuts about how world war 3 is coming due to the economic crisis, with some even hoping that there will be a huge war, because they think that will force economic growth and erase debts for some reason. Dunno what to think on this.
While not a lot of people in my area are talking about the economic crisis, I am kind of starting to feel the same, minus the hoping for war part (though I do believe we're probably going to have World War III within the next two decades with how things are rising up worldwide).
 
In Canada, we've been suffering a recession of sorts for months now (I'd say, since middle of last year or thereabouts). So it was only a matter of time before the rest of the world went down with us in one. The part about it being China being the instigator does surprise me a little bit though. I was honestly expecting America to fuck up first, to be frank.

I can see why, mind you. Just not that they'd be the ones taking everyone else with them.
 
In Canada, we've been suffering a recession of sorts for months now (I'd say, since middle of last year or thereabouts). So it was only a matter of time before the rest of the world went down with us in one. The part about it being China being the instigator does surprise me a little bit though. I was honestly expecting America to fuck up first, to be frank.

I can see why, mind you. Just not that they'd be the ones taking everyone else with them.

China is falling because they're just building for the sake of building things. That can only artificially inflate the economy for so long before it starts to show some cracks. Russia is probably the other big one as well, especially with plummeting oil prices and a dumpster grade ruble to begin with.

That and I highly doubt Greece and Iceland have even come close to recovering from their respective economic collapses to begin with.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/feb/18/job-losses-gather-momentum-uk-europe
Job losses gather momentum across UK and Europe
Major companies in energy to banking and retail to manufacturing have announced tens of thousands of job cuts in coming months
http://www.theguardian.com/business...job-cuts-could-threaten-uks-economic-recovery
How mounting job cuts could threaten UK's economic recovery
Tens of thousands of workers are being laid off in key sectors, prompting fears of a ripple effect through the British economy

Negative sentiment is beginning to feed into the real economy.
 
I don't know why people are saying war would be good for the economy. War destroys economies, makes them super dead.

Heck, you only need to look at the decades-long impact WW1 had on shipping as an example...

But yeah, things aren't looking too good. If I had any money I'd be worrying what to do with it.

As for oil, I'm not sure what to think. Unless it's a massive part of your economy then cheap oil should make loads of things cheaper. This'll make some things better, but it'll make other things much worse.
 
To be fair though, World War II was what brought the US out of the Depression (and provided quite a few factory jobs to be done).

I'd always thought the basis for the recovery was already in place pre-war (it's the same sort of argument that war is good for technology; to be simplistic it IS, but only in very specific areas at the explicit loss in other areas ) I'd go into more detail, but I lack a PC.

Anyway, wars aren't just damaging, modern wars are also absurdly expensive- in addition, you can't just retool say, an automobile factory for war goods anymore.

I know that they used the exact same argument pre-WW1, but with how interconnected economies are, war would be suicide for no gain.

But I'm horribly off topic, sorry.

It doesn't really matter how the snowball begins to roll, whether it's commodities or banking (or both) , once consumers lose confidence and stop spending the problems will just add to themselves.

If workers are unemployed they're not spending, the places they're not spending at will have to let people go, etc...
 
It's really sad, the last part of such an amazing decade may end up in smoke. One of the major issues with the West is that we're not investing into our own econemies anymore, we're just so concerned with instant gratification that we loose sight of the reprocussions of our actions, which is fine for the elites, once one economy is destroyed, they can just pick up and do it over again to someplace else.
 
Anyway, wars aren't just damaging, modern wars are also absurdly expensive- in addition, you can't just retool say, an automobile factory for war goods anymore.

I know that they used the exact same argument pre-WW1, but with how interconnected economies are, war would be suicide for no gain.

Theoretically yes. That's what I had said to the people at my workplace going nuts about the coming of ww3 that I mentioned previously. But they aren't getting less antsy though. Yesterday they were ranting that Germany is preparing itself for ww3 and that the conflict is going to be between NATO and Russia...
 
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