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Apparently the world is entering another economic crisis

They understood the gravity of the 2008 crisis well before the Federal Reserve
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c860bdde-b606-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f.html#axzz3x2QbGtX1

Sell everything ahead of stock market crash, say RBS economist
Royal Bank of Scotland warns of ‘cataclysmic’ year with slumps in shares and oil and advises clients to shift to bonds
http://www.theguardian.com/business...head-of-stock-market-crash-say-rbs-economists

US stocks suffer their worst first week of the year since records began
Standard & Poor’s 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by 6% and 6.2%, respectively, in the biggest ever fall for the first five days of January
http://www.theguardian.com/business...s-suffer-worst-first-week-since-records-began

How China could trigger a global crisis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/11/how-china-could-trigger-a-global-crisis/


Emerging economies can no longer power global growth, warns World Bank
An unprecedented 'synchronised slowdown' in emerging markets could yet jeopardise the world's prospects over the coming years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ger-power-global-growth-warns-World-Bank.html

Instead of imitating governments and waiting to act like with 2008 or the current refugee crisis, I've preempted this one myself by creating a thread. :sighduck:
 
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Vodka is a good investment. It lasts a long time, disinfects things, and can get you drunk as shit. I gotta look up how to make moonshine, that will be a valuable skill.

It lasts a long time? Since when?
 
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http://www.theguardian.com/business...at-2016-financial-crisis-warns-city-pessimist

The City of London’s most vocal “bear” has warned that the world is heading for a financial crisis as severe as the crash of 2008-09 that could prompt the collapse of the eurozone.

Albert Edwards, strategist at the bank Société Générale, said the west was about to be hit by a wave of deflation from emerging market economies and that central banks were unaware of the disaster about to hit them. His comments came as analysts at Royal Bank of Scotland urged investors to “sell everything” ahead of an imminent stock market crash.

“Developments in the global economy will push the US back into recession,” Edwards told an investment conference in London. “The financial crisis will reawaken. It will be every bit as bad as in 2008-09 and it will turn very ugly indeed.”

Fears of a second serious financial crisis within a decade have been heightened by the turbulence in markets since the start of the year. Share prices have fallen rapidly and a slump in the cost of oil has left Brent crude trading at barely above $30 a barrel.

“Can it get any worse? Of course it can,” said Edwards, the most prominent of the stock market bears – the terms for analysts who think shares are over-valued and will fall in price. “Emerging market currencies are still in freefall. The US corporate sector is being crushed by the appreciation of the dollar.”

The Soc Gen strategist said the US economy was in far worse shape than the country’s central bank, the US Federal Reserve, realised. “We have seen massive credit expansion in the US. This is not for real economic activity, it is borrowing to finance share buy backs.”

Edwards attacked what he said was the “incredible conceit” of central bankers, who had failed to learn the lessons of the housing bubble that led to the financial crisis and slump of 2008-09.

“They didn’t understand the system then and they don’t understand how they are screwing up again. Deflation is upon us and the central banks can’t see it.”

Edwards said the dollar had risen by as much as the Japanese yen had in the 1990s, an upwards move that pushed Japan into deflation and caused solvency problems for the Asian country’s banks. He added that a sign of the crisis to come was the collapse in demand for credit in China.

“That happens when people lose confidence that policy makers know what they are doing. This is what is going to happen in Europe and the US.”

Europe has shown tentative signs of recovery in the past year, but Edwards saidthe efforts of the European Central Bank to push the euro lower and growth higher would come to nothing in the event of a fresh downturn. “If the global economy goes back into recession, it is curtains for the eurozone.” Countries such as France, Spain and Italy would not accept the rising unemployment that would be associated with another recession. “What a disaster the euro has been: it is a doomsday machine in favour of the German economy.”

The warning from Edwards came as stock markets had a respite from the wave of selling seen since the start of the year. The FTSE 100 Index rose by 57 points to close at 5,929, while the Dow Jones Industrial Average was up by 10 points in early trading in New York.

The mood in equity markets was helped by intervention by the People’s Bank of China overnight to support the yuan, with the Chinese currency moving higher on foreign exchange markets.

But the slide in the oil price continued, with Brent crude falling a further 3.5% to close in London at $30.45. Oil has not been below $30 a barrel since 2003.

Edwards joked that after years in which he has tended to be a lone voice, other institutions were also becoming a lot gloomier about global prospects.

He was referring to the RBS advice, which warned that investors face a “cataclysmic year” where stock markets could fall by up to 20% and oil could slump to $16 a barrel.

In a note to its clients the bank said: “Sell everything except high-quality bonds. This is about return of capital, not return on capital. In a crowded hall, exit doors are small.” It said the current situation was reminiscent of 2008, when the collapse of the Lehman Brothers investment bank led to the global financial crisis. This time China could be the crisis point, RBS said.
 
One of my favorite Economic Bloggers is a guy named Michael Pettis. He knows his stuff and is willing to go against a lot of the "common wisdom".

Be basically called the commodity crash years ago. The following was written by Pettis back in 2012. He pretty much mapped out the fall of commodity prices we are seeing now by and inevitable slowdown in Chinese Manufacturing.

By 2015 Hard Commodity Prices Will Collapse

For the past two years, as regular readers know, I have been bearish on hard commodities.  Prices may have dropped substantially from their peaks during this time, but I don’t think the bear market is over.  I think we still have a very long way to go.

There are four reasons why I expect prices to drop a lot more.  First, during the last decade commodity producers were caught by surprise by the surge in demand.  Their belated response was to ramp up production dramatically, but since there is a long lead-time between intention and supply, for the next several years we will continue to experience rapid growth in supply.  As an aside, in my many talks to different groups of investors and boards of directors it has been my impression that commodity producers have been the slowest at understanding the full implications of a Chinese rebalancing, and I would suggest that in many cases they still have not caught on.

Second, almost all the increase in demand in the past twenty years, which in practice occurred mostly in the past decade, can be explained as the consequence of the incredibly unbalanced growth process in China.  But as even the most exuberant of China bulls now recognize, China’s economic growth is slowing and I expect it to decline a lot more in the next few years.

Third, and more importantly, as China’s economy rebalances towards a much more sustainable form of growth, this will automatically make Chinese growth much less commodity intensive.  It doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree with my expectations of further economic slowing.  Even if China is miraculously able to regain growth rates of 10-11% annually, a rebalancing economy will demand much less in the way of hard commodities.

And fourth, surging Chinese hard commodity purchases in the past few years supplied not just growing domestic needs but also rapidly growing inventory.  The result is that inventory levels in China are much too high to support what growth in demand there will be over the next few years, and I expect Chinese in some cases to be net sellers, not net buyers, of a number of commodities. 

This combination of factors – rising supply, dropping demand, and lots of inventory to work off – all but guarantee that the prices of hard commodities will collapse.  I expect that certain commodities, like copper, will drop by 50% or more in the next two to three years.

Based on my many trips in recent years to places like Australia, Peru and Brazil, I had plenty of anecdotal reasons to believe that commodity producers had significantly overestimated the sustainability of the Chinese growth model (or, perhaps more accurately, had not really thought about whether or not it was sustainable).  I was worried that they were expanding production very quickly.  Everywhere I went I heard stories of large-scale investments to expand production.

Many producers have acknowledged recent price declines, but they seem to believe that these are likely to be short-lived and that prices will soon rebound when Chinese demand returns. For example the Financial Times’ Alphaville quotes Nev Power, chief executive of Fortescue Metals, discussing iron ore at a recent meeting:

Iron ore prices have slumped to $US104 a tonne in recent days, yet Mr Power said it could soon rebound as high as $US150. ”As soon as restocking and production returns to normal we expect to see prices back in the $US120 to $US150 per tonne range,” he said.

He will almost certainly be wrong.  

Production capacity has grown

The surge in Chinese demand at the beginning of the last decade consequently caught everyone by surprise. Minack shows, for example, that in the past twenty years, global demand for steel grew by roughly 6% a year, with most of that coming in the past decade. If you exclude China, however, global demand for steel grew by only 2% a year in the past twenty years, implying that China accounted for almost all the increase in global demand in the last twenty years – and almost all of that occurred in the past decade.  In the past ten years Chinese demand for iron ore has grown by 16% a year on average.

The initial surge in demand caught commodity producers off-guard.  Because they were unable to ramp up production quickly enough, prices surged.  After a few years of high prices, however, commodity producers responded to the huge new increase in demand by planning major expansions in production facilities. 

What about demand?

China currently is the leading consumer of a wide variety of commodities wholly disproportionate to its share of global GDP.  The country represents roughly 11% of global GDP if you accept the stated numbers, and substantially less if you believe, as I do, that growth has been overstated because of the difference over many years between reported investment, i.e. its input value, and the actual economic value of output.  China nonetheless accounts for between 30% and 40% of total global demand for commodities like copper and nearly 60% of total global demand for commodities like cement and iron ore.

The only reason China has provided such an extraordinarily disproportionate share of global demand for hard commodities has been the nature of China’s growth model.  While China may represent only 11% or less of the global economy, it represents a far, far greater share of the world’s building of bridges, railroad lines, subway systems, skyscrapers, port facilities, dams, shipbuilding facilities, highways, and so on. 

Over the next decade, two things are going to change.  The first is increasingly recognized, and that is that Chinese growth rates will drop sharply.  The second is that China will rebalance its economic growth away from its appetite for commodities.
Which Way Can Prices Go?

For these reasons I am very pessimistic about hard commodity prices and expect them to drop substantially further in the next two to three years. 

  1. Production capacity for hard commodities is rising much too quickly, in a belated response to the unexpected surge in demand just under a decade ago.
  2. Expected economic growth rates in the country that has been biggest source of new demand – virtually the only source – have fallen sharply and commodity prices have fallen with them.  Historical precedents and the arithmetic of rebalancing suggest, however, that the current consensus for medium-term Chinese growth is still too optimistic.  Expected growth rates will almost certainly fall further in the next two years.
  3. Beijing has finally become serious about rebalancing China’s economy, and rebalancing means shifting Chinese growth away from being disproportionately commodity intensive.  Instead of representing 30-60% of global demand for most hard commodities, Chinese demand will shift to a more “normal” level.  Remember that even a very limited shift – from 50% of global demand, for example, to a still high 40% of global demand – represents a sharp drop in global demand.
  4. There has been so much stockpiling of commodities and finished goods with implicit commodity content in China that the country could well become a net seller, and not net a buyer, of a wide variety of commodities in the next few years.

This is going to come as a shock to many people.  In my discussions with senior officials in the commodity sectors in Brazil, Australia, Peru, Chile and even Indonesia, it seems to me that many analysts have been insufficiently skeptical about the Chinese growth model and are unaware of how dramatically the consensus has changed in the past two years. 

They have failed to understand how deep China’s structural problems are and how worried Beijing has become (this worry may be best exemplified by the extraordinary growth in flight capital from China since early 2010).

Under these conditions I don’t see how we can avoid a very nasty two or three years ahead for commodity producers.  This isn’t all bad news, of course.  What will be a disaster for hard commodity producers will be great news for companies and countries that are commodity users or importers.  One way or the other, however, we are going see a big change in the distribution of winners and losers

He also predicted the Euro mess that could happen as a result of it with what he called "the scariest chart known to man".
 
So when the worlds turns into the next Fallout game are you guys going to join a raider gang or the Brotherhood of Steel?
 
It's weird as a child of a public sector worker and a tech worker in the media field, as you sorta grow numb to economic factors as both jobs are basically recession proof (My father's job survived 5 company ownership changes without so much as a scratch, and actually managed to move upwards during it all. My mother drives a school bus and is unionized, thus her wage is protected by contract). And with me and my brother going into similar fields I'm thankful for that, but my heart does go out to those people whose jobs are actually dependent on the economy not shitting itself every 10 years.
 
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People are retarded with money and make up shit as they go along. That's why we have the lottery and why 10% of the people on earth have most of the wealth.
 
Anytime someone tells you that the economy is okay, and stabilized, just remember this:
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My recommendation is not to go gung-ho and start cashing out your bank accounts for gold nuggets. But saving money is (obviously) going to be important, because if the economy shits itself so bad that it blows it's intestines out, there will be significant delays and reduction to welfare payments. Don't wait for it to hit, though.
 
Brazil is already fucked bad by corruption and mismanagement of money that led to a large recession and a political battle,they replaced the finance minister who wanted to create austerity measures, but now the new one wants Keynesian style economy and the leader of government in the parliament has told that"brazil needs less market and more state now".
So yeah,our government has in 4 years ruined our economy and making the real worthless.
Also there is major cuts in public service and infrastructure and several states are not paying the suppliers and public workers.
My state has survived,but Rio de Janeiro is so fucked up they can't pay for medical supplies and doctors and hospitals are closed.

It's weird as a child of a public sector worker and a tech worker in the media field, as you sorta grow numb to economic factors as both jobs are basically recession proof (My father's job survived 5 company ownership changes without so much as a scratch, and actually managed to move upwards during it all. My mother drives a school bus and is unionized, thus her wage is protected by contract). And with me and my brother going into similar fields I'm thankful for that, but my heart does go out to those people whose jobs are actually dependent on the economy not shitting itself every 10 years.
My parents work in public schools and are also recession proof (although other states have stopped paying salaries to public workers or start partitioning them)our state has handled shit well.
I'm scared because we're moving and need to buy shit for the new home and our savings are being eaten by inflation and the dollar is driving everything upwards here,the government just raised Brazilian taxes on imports and removed tax exemptions from national products,also the multinational corporations like to bend us over in profits and blame high prices on government taxes (although they received billions in subsidies).
The Brazilian average family doesn't have a culture of saving,they love to immediately spend the money and show off to everyone else the shit they got (people in slums love to show off a brand new iPhone and car, although they barely earn a average salary) and took massive loans since our government proped its growth in consumption and cheap credit+commodities instead of long term things like investing in industry, tax reforms or infrastructure that is badly needed.
Now everyone is in debt and can't purchase shit,and consumption and internal production has dropped off to 2003 levels or worse.
Sorry for double post.
 
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@AN/ALR-56 I'm sorry to hear that man. I hope the situation improves on your end.

On the American Front, Stocks tumbled 365 points today on one of the largest fuel under-draws on record

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http://www.theguardian.com/business...e-prices-tumble-over-fears-for-global-economy
Industry data showed that US gasoline inventories soared by 8.4m barrels and stocks of diesel and heating oil increased by more than 6m barrels – confirming the forecasts of many analysts that a huge oversupply of oil could keep prices low during most of 2016.

Analysts said that growing fears of a weakening outlook for the global economy, made worse by falling oil prices, was behind the steep falls. Some oil analysts this week predicted that the price could fall as low as $10.

The markets are in correction territory and this year start is the officially the worst on record (for the S&P 500 and the DOW)
 
@AN/ALR-56 I'm sorry to hear that man. I hope the situation improves on your end.

On the American Front, Stocks tumbled 365 points today on one of the largest fuel under-draws on record

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http://www.theguardian.com/business...e-prices-tumble-over-fears-for-global-economy


The markets are in correction territory and this year start is the officially the worst on record (for the S&P 500 and the DOW)

At least it has not reached this point yet...


On another note.

Here is a WSJ article about our series of continuous bad assumptions leading to bad policies and inflating bubbles.

China, Oil Show Peril of Faulty Assumptions
When investors, policy makers and businesses see only upside, the downside can be a rude awakening

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Tunnel vision on never-ending growth stories has led to unease when the growth inevitably ends. The latest maxim to be debunked—China’s demand for raw materials is infinite. Here, an aluminum factory in Shadong province. PHOTO: DONG NAIDE/FEATURECHINA/ZUMA PRESS
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By
GREG IP
Updated Jan. 13, 2016 12:29 p.m. ET
25 COMMENTS

National home prices never go down.

Eurozone countries don’t default.

Saudi Arabia won’t let the price of oil crash.

China’s demand for raw materials is infinite.

These are some of the most cherished assumptions of investors and policy makers in the past decade, assumptions that have underpinned trillions of dollars of investment and debt. The U.S. housing bust and eurozone debt crisis demonstrated the havoc that comes when such assumptions are proven wrong.

Something similar may be happening now. A pronounced slowing in China’s industrial sector and a steep drop in oil prices have taken investors, business and policy makers by surprise. That doesn’t mean a crisis or recession are in the cards. But it could mean the U.S. economy and markets will take a bigger hit than the relative importance of either China or oil can explain.

Exports to China constitute less than 1% of U.S. annual gross domestic product. The U.S. is also a net importer of oil, so a fall in oil prices should be positive.


An inconsistent economic policy from the Chinese government has hurt the ability of its markets to recover from a recent selloff. WSJ chief economic columnist Greg Ip explains. Photo: AP
Yet, some economists estimate, in the fourth quarter of 2015 the U.S. economy grew only about 0.5% at an annual rate. Manufacturing may already be in recession: For two months the Institute for Supply Management’s index of factory purchasing managers has been below 50, the line between expansion and contraction.

At Tuesday’s close, the overall U.S. stock market is down nearly 10% from its high, while the Dow Jones Transportation Average and the Russell 2000 index of small company shares, both of which are sensitive to economic momentum, are down 24% and 19%, respectively.

Blame this on how dramatically sentiment has changed.

China is the world’s biggest consumer of many commodities; through October 2015 it accounted for around half of the world’s consumption of aluminum, copper, nickel and zinc, according to BCA Research, an investment advisory firm. As recently as 2012, the International Monetary Fund predicted China would grow an average of 8.6% a year from 2015 through 2017. That outlook led many suppliers to invest in added capacity, assuming China’s appetite would grow indefinitely.

What they didn’t appreciate was that China’s own leaders had concluded that that growth, driven by excessive borrowing, was unsustainable. China grew an estimated 7% last year, and the government’s informal target is just 6.5% this year, a figure many private economists consider too high. Moreover, the economy’s most commodity-hungry sectors—heavy industry and construction—have led the slowdown.

“Resource development spending was based on a linear extrapolation of demand from China, which has just proven far too optimistic,” says Jason Thomas, director of research at Carlyle Group, a private-equity firm.

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The U.S. didn’t sell many commodities directly to China, but it sold things to countries that did. Their growth has slumped along with commodity prices, and capital has fled, driving down their currencies and pushing up the dollar, creating headwinds to U.S. exports.

The reversal of sentiment on oil has been even more dramatic. From 2011 through early 2014, Brent oil was almost always above $100 per barrel. “You had the illusion that it was sustainable because volatility was very low,” says Paul Cheng, an analyst at Barclays. “In early 2014, the general assumption by industry was that it can’t drop below $90 because Saudi Arabia would defend it.”

That fueled a boom in projects premised on oil between $80 to $100, and in loans and bond issues that valued the companies’ reserves at $80 to $100 per barrel. Mr. Thomas estimates that energy accounted for two-thirds of the rise in total U.S. industrial capacity between 2009 and 2014.

But in late 2014, Saudi Arabia stopped defending that price and ramped up production to claw back market share from the U.S. Shale production in the U.S. has been slow to decline but investment has collapsed.

Indeed, while U.S. auto production rose last year to meet consumer demand for gas-guzzling light trucks, Mr. Thomas notes that was more than offset by a collapse in orders for machined parts, precision tools, engines, transmissions, pumps and other “intermediate” goods for the global commodity production chain. Many companies earlier in the chain didn’t realize how exposed they were to the commodity bust.

The selloff has spilled into the financial system. Yields on bonds of energy companies have shot up and smaller banks are announcing significant reserves against lending to energy companies. The stress has spread to other borrowers: Yields on bonds issued by nonenergy companies have risen to 7.7% from 5.3% in mid-2014.

“Credit-market shocks of the sort triggered by the commodity-price collapse can prove quite damaging to broader economic conditions,” Mr. Thomas says.

How bad will it get? Because output per worker is much higher in manufacturing and mining than in services, the pullback in those sectors affects GDP more than employment. Indeed, overall job growth and demand for services so far remain buoyant.

China’s growth appears to have steadied. So absent even more contagion, the U.S. seems likely to escape a recession. Even so, this year will likely provide another object lesson in taking trends for granted.

Write to Greg Ip at greg.ip@wsj.com
 
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Never fear though, according to the daily kos everything is fine!
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/13/1469262/-Seven-Pretty-Good-Years-Actually
Now in January 2016 we have an NYSE well over 16,000 despite its recent China/India based falloff, and a housing market that has rebounded sharply from its freefall of the last decade. We have a national unemployment rate of 5%, way below the post-WW2 average of 5.8%. Inflation is virtually nonexistent, and has been for years. The nation just celebrated our 70th straight month of positive job growth, a prospect that would’ve been unthinkable on Obama’s January 20, 2009 Inauguration Day. The Wall Street Reformation Act, along with its ancillary Consumer Protection Bureau, has put a very heavy lid on corporations that bend the rules and practice the predatory lending practices and voodoo accounting that they got away with before. Santander Bank, Allys Auto Lending and General Motors have all discovered that the old lax ways don’t fly anymore.

When you pick apart most the Minutia the american economy is nowhere near as strong as some people believe. It's the same on my side of the Atlantic.
 
Obama Union speech had a similar time from what I've seem.

It is about legacy preservation. They want to keep up the narrative that everything was GWB's fault and it is all fixed up now. Obama just has to hope he can leave office before this disaster starts moving into overdrive and destroys the last remaining year he has in office.

With the rate that people are discovering that China can no longer be the world's largest consumer of commodities and that it has an enormous public debt load. I would say he has about a month or 2 before things really start hitting the fan. People are going to pretend and extend this crash, but you even have the Wall Street Journal saying now is a great time to put your money into cash(translation: take your money out of the market).

http://www.wsj.com/articles/global-markets-and-the-battle-with-economic-reality-1452692310

Global Markets and the Battle With Economic Reality
It is shaping up to be a tough year for markets, with economic challenges accumulating. Holding more cash looks sensible

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A trader on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange on Jan. 6 as stocks open lower. PHOTO: ASSOCIATED PRESS
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RICHARD BARLEY
Jan. 13, 2016 8:38 a.m. ET
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The past couple of days in markets have offered hard-pressed investors some relief after a tough start to 2016. As much as that is welcome, caution should be the watchword for money managers.

On the face of it, there were few truly new developments to justify the steep downdraft that started the year. The MSCI World index of advanced-country stocks was down 6.1% through Tuesday while its Emerging Market peer was down 8.9%.

China and emerging markets were as much a source of worry last year as they are now. Falling commodities prices aren’t a new story, although the scale of their decline is shocking. The shakeout in risky credit markets started more than a year ago. Meanwhile, cyclical economic recoveries in the U.S. and Europe have continued, although they are far from impressive.

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There are bright spots still. Falling unemployment, lower oil prices and low inflation are good news for developed-market consumers—still a powerful force in the global economy. That markets have bounced a little is therefore understandable.

But subpar cyclical recoveries driven by domestic consumers may fade in the face of building global headwinds and the risk of policy missteps. The steady accumulation of economic worries poses a threat to investors.

Developed markets, after all, have already come a long way, propelled by ultraloose monetary policy. From 2009’s trough to 2015’s peak, the S&P500 tripled; it is now still only 9% below that peak. Government bond yields are low, limiting their ability to provide income and to act as a hedge against declining stocks. Corporate bond spreads have widened since 2014, but yields, except in U.S. high yield, are still relatively low; defaults and ratings downgrades are becoming more frequent.

With more bad news stories grabbing investors’ attention, the fear of losses and the hope for gains are far more evenly balanced than they have been.

Overlaid on this is the concern that liquidity in markets has been reduced. Regulators have been seeking to make banks safer but liquidity risk has been transferred to asset managers. This might be a year in which nimble investors could benefit from swings in prices, but investment banks’ pullback from trading may make this strategy risky.

These issues, for now, are a bigger problem for markets than for Main Street. And the picture could change for the better, perhaps via greater confidence in Chinese policy, signs that emerging-market growth is picking up, or calmer waters in credit markets that funnel financing to the real economy. If more serious problems develop, intervention from policy makers is a possibility, though the bar for action from the U.S. Federal Reserve, still the most influential for global markets, is higher now that it has started raising interest rates.

Caution and cash look like good strategies to purse in this environment. KKR’s team of asset allocators has just lifted its target for cash to 7% of the portfolio, from 1% in September. Challenges to global growth have mounted, creating a new obstacle to scale: an increasing number of things need to go right even to lift the gloom.

Write to Richard Barley at richard.barley@wsj.com
 
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It is about legacy preservation. They want to keep up the narrative that everything was GWB's fault and it is all fixed up now. Obama just has to hope he can leave office before this disaster starts moving into overdrive and destroys the last remaining year he has in office.

The democrats are going to have to accept that not fixing the economy's structure was never going to work in the long run. Even with the republicans there to hobble efforts, it's clear the goal was nothing more than a few bandaids and dangerously low interest rates.
 
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Can anything be done to save our asses or the solutions will be too late or politically impossible to be implemented or both?
 
Can anything be done to save our asses or the solutions will be too late or politically impossible to be implemented or both?
In my opinion it's a too late now anyway but there's worse aspects to this- The governing class do not recognize the problems.

America, the United Kingdom and most of Europe are consumer economies. They need the population to spend money to keep the economy healthy. Because wage growth has fallen behind significantly in the past 30 years the average working family does not have the same money to play with anymore, not without using credit AKA debt. This coincided with a deep financialization of the western economy, finance (banks of all sizes, insurance firms etc) could now engage in new and exotic trading practices. This led to debt monetization on a massive scale. New, complex financial instruments gave banks a way of making profit quickly and easily. However this practice was not safe for a variety of reasons I'm too tired to describe right now.

Debt became what drove our economies on a personal and corporate, and state level. Since the 1980's the global economy has become far more unstable because It's not driven by hard money anymore. Wall-street certainly doesn't care about this, if anything they profited from these instruments until 2008 when the american housing market collapsed. Due to the nature of these instruments the entire global banking system almost died. Only with creative monetary police from central banks (and massive 'donations' of state money) did they survive. Note- that this hasn't changed their practices in the slightest.

Now, because consumers are still way behind in terms of pay to inflation- They must load up on credit again to keep the economy expanding. The growth is cancerous and combined with poor investing practices creates bubbles. There is bubbles everywhere now- Student debt, Auto Loans ect. All that's left is cancer and the economy now implodes in 8 year cycles (like @SunLightStreak mentioned)

I can't speak in terms of brazil because I'm not that familar with It's economy. Anything you tell me would be very informative @AN/ALR-56

There's several more layers to this (crude oil collapse, eurozone etc) but I'm too tried to describe them. They'll probably crop up later while everything unfolds.
 
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The democrats are going to have to accept that not fixing the economy's structure was never going to work in the long run. Even with the republicans there to hobble efforts, it's clear the goal was nothing more than a few bandaids and dangerously low interest rates.

The real problem that no one wants to admit to is that this is directly connected to the issue of "income inequality".

Keep in mind that I am a privileged shitlord Republican saying this. There is not enough demand right now for the astronomical commodity prices that have existed for the past 6 years prior to this starting to become an issue. There never really were. It was all assumptions and credit bubbles. Now the QE is long gone and the music is ending.

People are now learning that the nearly 15 trillion the US pumped out in QE and the rest of the world governments credit schemes only served to inflate commodities and credit bubbles in developing nations. Those nations did not do enough to increase their wages for their workers because they feared they would lose their "competitive edge". The flip side is that their "competitive edge" prevented their countries from developing the consumer bases necessary to support the high commodity and credit expansions.

Everyone thought that they could just rely on the good ole American Consumer to buy it all. Problem was that we had lost so much of our manufacturing, wages, pensions, and everything else to please the people inflating these foreign bubbles(Wall Street) that we just can't afford to spend $5 a gallon on gas recklessly anymore. We can't afford to buy enormous numbers of cheap Chinese goods that flood our basements/attics because a lot Americans had to move back in with their loved ones and use that space for living. We don't want 27% interest credit cards and will try to pay them off because we really don't want to waste our money paying back endless debt.

The fact is, there is not enough of a global consumer base to support sky high commodity prices or to allow a small group low wage countries to serve as the global manufacturing nations at the expense of the consumer base of the entire world.

In my opinion, it's a too late now anyway but there's worse aspects to this- The governing class do not recognize the problems.

America, the United Kingdom and most of Europe are consumer economies. They need the population to spend money to keep the economy healthy. Because wage growth has fallen behind significantly in the past 30 years the average working family does not have the same money to play with anymore, not without using credit AKA debt. This coincided with a deep financialization of the western economy, finance (banks of all sizes, insurance firms etc) could now engage in new and exotic trading practices. This led to debt monetization on a massive scale. New, complex financial instruments gave banks a way of making profit quickly and easily. However this practice was not safe for a variety of reasons I'm too tired to describe right now.

Debt became what drove our economies on a personal and corporate, and state level. Since the 1980's the global economy has become far more unstable because It's not driven by hard money anymore. Wall-street certainly doesn't care about this, if anything they profited from these instruments until 2008 when the american housing market collapsed. Due to the nature of these instruments the entire global banking system almost died. Only with creative monetary police from central banks (and massive 'donations' of state money) did they survive. Note- that this hasn't changed their practices in the slightest.

Now, because consumers are still way behind in terms of pay to inflation- They must load up on credit again to keep the economy expanding. The growth is cancerous and combined with poor investing practices creates bubbles. There is bubbles everywhere now- Student debt, Auto Loans ect. All that's left is cancer and the economy now implodes in 8 year cycles (like @SunLightStreak mentioned)

I can't speak in terms of brazil because I'm not that familar with It's economy. Anything you tell me would be very informative @AN/ALR-56

There's several more layers to this (crude oil collapse, eurozone etc) but I'm too tried to describe them. They'll probably crop up later while everything unfolds.

Right now we are having what looks like a possible series of victories in the two major decision states in the US by populist candidates tapping into that exact anger and narrative:

:trump: and :cuck:. Both are now in the lead and their leads are growing at the expense of establishment and often Wall Street Candidates. This occurrence is increasingly global too. Wall Street is increasingly seeing that their money is not enough anymore. Jebs campaign spent an enormous amount of money and it has bought him nothing. Hillary too is seeing this. Her War Chest is increasingly worthless.

Wall Street avoided the likely solution to this exact type of problem back during the great depression by getting lucky and the world falling into one of the most destructive conflicts in human history - WWII

I doubt Wall Street will be that lucky this time. We may see the emergence of a Wealth Tax along with wide-scale seizures of bank institutions. If they thought shifting to a Canada Model banking system would be bad, wait until they see what might emerge instead.
 
The real problem that no one wants to admit to is that this is directly connected to the issue of "income inequality".

Keep in mind that I am a privileged shitlord Republican saying this. There is not enough demand right now for the astronomical commodity prices that have existed for the past 6 years prior to this starting to become an issue. There never really were. It was all assumptions and credit bubbles. Now the QE is long gone and the music is ending.

People are now learning that the nearly 15 trillion the US pumped out in QE and the rest of the world governments credit schemes only served to inflate commodities and credit bubbles in developing nations. Those nations did not do enough to increase their wages for their workers because they feared they would lose their "competitive edge". The flip side is that their "competitive edge" prevented their countries from developing the consumer bases necessary to support the high commodity and credit expansions.

Everyone thought that they could just rely on the good ole American Consumer to buy it all. Problem was that we had lost so much of our manufacturing, wages, pensions, and everything else to please the people inflating these foreign bubbles(Wall Street) that we just can't afford to spend $5 a gallon on gas recklessly anymore. We can't afford to buy enormous numbers of cheap Chinese goods that flood our basements/attics because a lot Americans had to move back in with their loved ones and use that space for living. We don't want 27% interest credit cards and will try to pay them off because we really don't want to waste our money paying back endless debt.

The fact is, there is not enough of a global consumer base to support sky high commodity prices or to allow a small group low wage countries to serve as the global manufacturing nations at the expense of the consumer base of the entire world.

I agree completely. It's the establishments blindness to this has produced some very bad calls- Like the recent rate hike. Since the economy is no longer really connected to upward stock market action it's produced cognitive dissidence in policy makers. The underlying economy can have significant issues and still have a record high stock market.

(i do find it funny that downward market action still damages the real economy. That's a hell of a relationship)

doubt Wall Street will be that lucky this time. We may see the emergence of a Wealth Tax along with wide-scale seizures of bank institutions. If they thought shifting to a Canada Model banking system would be bad, wait until they see what might emerge instead.
They'll probably get away with it again. All it will take is flooding the political system with even more bribe money. Plus (you may dissagree with me) But the republicans are even quicker than the democrats to get bribed and find ways to pigeon hole the debate. They'll talk about government debt when the conversation should be about all the debt (including corporate and personal) and why there's so much of it.
 
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I'm not a expert on economy, but brazil has a extreme hard on for Keynesian style economy, most of the left (who literally dominates the intellectual elite)
Thinks neo liberal policies are the horror,the poverty creator and the anti Christ.
The Brazilian wikipedia is a complete joke,especially in economy articles,like the Reaganomics ones,were they said it caused massive poverty and debt,only sourcing Keynesian and socialist sources.(most of the article is unsourced though).
The government puts all the blame on Brazil's problems in a neo liberal dude who saved us from the inflationary crisis of the 90s and had to deal with the Asian crash of 97,a guy who left the presidency in 2003.(kinda like the thanks Obama meme,but used in official party propaganda)so what a socialist government who had 13 years of majority in the Senate and chamber did?
  • Tax reforms since our tax code punishes the poor(we tax consumption, not income)
  • Combating corruption?, that plagues our country for decades?
  • Helping the industry to modernize and to be competitive in exports?
  • Aiding the freedom of market, to help fight the huge monopoly the previous liberal guy created with privatizations?
  • A land reform,something a rural workers group,now turned party militia, dreams for decades?
  • Infrastructure investments in large scale?
  • Education reform and investment?
No,they did nothing of that(they actually did like 20% of their infrastructure projects they promised, 10% complete)
The land reform never happened,because Lula became best friends with rural landlords and basically froze any large scale resettlement of rural worker into unproductive lands.
Instead they created a shitty income welfare thing that now millions of Brazilians depend for survival, and everytime a oponent is leading the polls,they quickly create a propaganda of the opposition literally removing food and books from poor families,creating panic and a landslide victory in poor areas.
Every year there is a corruption scandal that somehow the workers party(our government party)is involved, although most large ones obviously had benefited the election campaigns of lula and dilma
They always never knew nothing about it and only their friends and party comrades are arrested or charged with the crimes (and released after mostly a house arrest in less than a year).
Brazil had luck,since we became china's best buddies and sold commodities to them like oil and iron and soy and pork to them in massive amounts,creating a growing economy that began to offer huge amounts of credit for people to began to buy house appliances,cars and tvs.
However,it was just a coat of paint in a rotten house,since China stopped buying shit from us,and the oil dropped to pennies,making our oil uncompetitive and people were in debt,so they can't buy and so began our downfall.
Now if you guys want to know about the political anarchy that has plagued us since 2014,I'm gonna make another post to make this one smaller.
 
Now if you guys want to know about the political anarchy that has plagued us since 2014,I'm gonna make another post to make this one smaller.

@AN/ALR-56 I'd like to hear that.

It's interesting to here how demonized neo-liberalism is your country. In the west it's practicality economic law and arguably responsible for why our financial system is in tatters.

,but used in official party propaganda)so what a socialist government who had 13 years of majority in the Senate and chamber did?
  • Tax reforms since our tax code punishes the poor(we tax consumption, not income)
  • Combating corruption?, that plagues our country for decades?
  • Helping the industry to modernize and to be competitive in exports?
  • Aiding the freedom of market, to help fight the huge monopoly the previous liberal guy created with privatizations?
  • A land reform,something a rural workers group,now turned party militia, dreams for decades?
  • Infrastructure investments in large scale?
  • Education reform and investment?
No,they did nothing of that(they actually did like 20% of their infrastructure projects they promised, 10% complete)

Not gonna lie, That sounds allot like Greece before the IMF and the eurogroup moved in. *sigh*
 
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