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Apparently the world is entering another economic crisis

They understood the gravity of the 2008 crisis well before the Federal Reserve
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c860bdde-b606-11e5-8358-9a82b43f6b2f.html#axzz3x2QbGtX1

Sell everything ahead of stock market crash, say RBS economist
Royal Bank of Scotland warns of ‘cataclysmic’ year with slumps in shares and oil and advises clients to shift to bonds
http://www.theguardian.com/business...head-of-stock-market-crash-say-rbs-economists

US stocks suffer their worst first week of the year since records began
Standard & Poor’s 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average fell by 6% and 6.2%, respectively, in the biggest ever fall for the first five days of January
http://www.theguardian.com/business...s-suffer-worst-first-week-since-records-began

How China could trigger a global crisis
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/11/how-china-could-trigger-a-global-crisis/


Emerging economies can no longer power global growth, warns World Bank
An unprecedented 'synchronised slowdown' in emerging markets could yet jeopardise the world's prospects over the coming years
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ger-power-global-growth-warns-World-Bank.html

Instead of imitating governments and waiting to act like with 2008 or the current refugee crisis, I've preempted this one myself by creating a thread. :sighduck:
 
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You realize actually doing that would be viewed, to some extent correctly, as a sort of Communist takeover?

Would not be the first time. The stuff in 2008 riled a lot of people up. Heck some argued the bank bailouts were communistic too. Taking over AIG was too much for some people.

Still, we crossed the public/private divide with the banks ages ago. The benefit of being bailed out came with the price of not really being safe from seizure. The QE's have only served to completely muddy the water. Can they really be called free market institutions when they are constantly given free money and a license by the government to loan money they don't actually have?
 
The government really might as well nationalize the banks, at this point, and buy back the Fed while they're at it, too.
 
Let the banks be nationalized and throw thee fuckers in jail, already. I know it's not that simple a fix - but a damn good good start. I'm not that well educated on this shit, either, but I know where the evil is hiding in most of this... And it's thanks to you guys, for example.
 
To stem the tide of the bear market, the Bank of Japan (BOJ) very recently set a negative interest rate. It joined an increasing number of countries resorting to the tactic to fight recession and deflation simultaneously.how it works-

Switzerland and Sweden are among several countries with rates below zero. In Germany, anyone who buys a German bund, (bond) pays the government for the privilege of lending Berlin money.
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/01/why-the-fed-must-go-negative-on-interest-rates.html

This shored up stock markets for about 6 days until more bad economic news, falling oil prices and this happened-

"Behold Unintended Consequences: Japan Cancels 10Y Auction For First Time Ever Due To Sub-Zero Rates"
  • PLANNED MARCH SALE OF 10-YEAR JAPANESE GOVERNMENT BONDS THROUGH BANKS TO BE CANCELED AMID EXPECTED BELOW-ZERO YIELDS - NIKKEI
  • JAPAN'S MINISTRY OF FINANCE IS EXPECTED TO ANNOUNCE WEDNESDAY THE FIRST-EVER DECISION TO CALL OFF SALES OF 10-YEAR JGBS- NIKKEI
As a reminder, Japan can't monetize more debt - the only thing that is keeping its yields from spontaneously exploding - unless it can concurrently issue more debt. After all the only reason the BOJ did NIRP is because it already faced a limit on how many bonds it can monetize.

So what next: a complete shutdown of Japan's debt-funding machinery, which the country with the 250% debt/GDP is entirely reliant upon?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...-cancels-10y-bond-auction-fears-sub-zero-rate

This hiccup is unprecedented for a country as 'financially sound' as japan and reinforces the perception that exotic central bank action is a bad idea.
 
Do you mean "how it doesn't work?"

lol yeah.

More for those interested-

http://theweek.com/articles/602283/could-bank-japans-crazy-gambit-actually-work
To review: Interest rates are the price of lending and saving money. When interest rates throughout the economy are low, banks charge less for loans and individuals have less incentive to save; when they're high, lenders charge more and individuals save more. This is why central banks tighten interest rates when they're worried about inflation: Discouraging loans and encouraging individuals to sock their money away slows economic activity, which keeps inflation in check. Conversely, cutting interest rates in a recession encourages credit and consumption, which boosts job creation.

If interest rates could go negative — and banks started charging people for depositing their money — then this logic extends out: Not only would we be encouraging people to save less, we'd be actively penalizing them for saving rather than consuming. But the general assumption in economics has been that interest rates can't go below zero. Cash already has an implied interest rate of zero, so if banks started charging negative interest rates, people would just stuff paper cash in mattresses.

But in the last year and half, central banks throughout the advanced western world became desperate enough to start experimenting. In 2014, the European Central Bank (ECB) started charging eurozone banks a -0.2 percent interest rate. Central banks in Denmark and Switzerland set deposit rates at -0.75 percent, and Sweden set it at -1.1 percent. Last Thursday, the decision-makers at the Bank of Japan surprisedinternational observers by getting in on the act as well: By a 5-to-4 vote, they decided to impose a -0.1 percent rate under certain circumstances.

Will it work? No one really knows, as the close vote indicates. But to even approximate an answer, we need to work through a few of the specifics of how central banks function.
 
"Behold Unintended Consequences: Japan Cancels 10Y Auction For First Time Ever Due To Sub-Zero Rates"

However, the Japan Post, which effectively acts as the country's largest bank, seems to be unfazed by the current crisis so far, despite the fact that it went public just in November.

The worst-ever start to a year for stock markets and oil’s historic slump have not deterred Japan’s postal savings bank, which is preparing to shift more of its $1.8 trillion portfolio into equities and alternative assets.

Japan Post Bank Co. will start investing in shares directly within a year, Katsunori Sago, who oversees the portfolio, said Wednesday in an interview in Tokyo.

Sago also said he wants to put “several trillion yen” into alternative assets such as private equity and hedge funds over the next five to 10 years.

This shored up stock markets for about 6 days until more bad economic news, falling oil prices and this happened

The Nikkei is still well above where it was in mid-late Jan. It had a pretty flaccid opening this year. I can't imagine that calling off the sell-off will be good for it, though.

As far as the interest rate decision goes, Japan also has an inflation rate of about nil, as opposed to its stated target of 2%.

This does seem rather like putting the cart before the horse as far as encouraging spending goes, though. But what do I know.
 
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However, the Japan Post, which effectively acts as the country's largest bank, seems to be unfazed by the current crisis so far, despite the fact that it went public just in November.

I think that's just them fronting. The country is in no position to weather a global recession considering it's fundamentals.

As far as the interest rate decision goes, Japan also has an inflation rate of about nil, as opposed to its stated target of 2%.

This does seem rather like putting the cart before the horse as far as encouraging spending goes, though.

It's all a little contradictory isn't it?
 
There's been another fall in shares today but banks are getting especially pummeled. At the top of that list is Deutsche Bank.

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It's CDS rate is going vertical

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Edit: Barclays was briefly halted

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Hopefully, this does not get worse than 2008. However, since this is international and seems to be going down fast, I have a feeling that this may become as bad as the Great Depression that happened in the early half of the twentieth century.

And if it turns out we do get another Great Depression, hopefully we don't have to deal with World War III to be the only way to get us out of it.

History does repeat itself doesn't it?
 
Hopefully, this does not get worse than 2008. However, since this is international and seems to be going down fast, I have a feeling that this may become as bad as the Great Depression that happened in the early half of the twentieth century.

And if it turns out we do get another Great Depression, hopefully we don't have to deal with World War III to be the only way to get us out of it.

History does repeat itself doesn't it?

I fear deeply that WWIII will be the likely result of this... For obvious reasons, too.
 
Apparently the entire British Steel industry is about to collapse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...eel-sector-at-risk-of-impending-collapse.html

The steel industry in Britain and Europe faces a “significant and impending risk of collapse”, business ministers have warned in a letter to European Commissioners demanding action to save steel makers.

Ministers including Sajid Javid, the UK Business Secretary, and his counterparts from France, Italy, Germany and Poland have written to the EC spelling out the dangers that imports of subsidised Chinese steel pose to the industry, and calling for the rapid introduction of anti-dumping measures.

The letter, seen by The Daily Telegraph, appeals for the Commission to “use every means available and take strong action”. The EU “cannot remain passive when rising job losses and steelworks closures show there is a significant and impending risk of collapse in the European steel sector”, the letter said.

Britain’s steel industry is in the grip of an unprecedented crisis, with the loss of more than 5,000 jobs since the summer. UK producers say they cannot compete with cheap steel from China flooding the market. They also claim to have been harder hit than European rivals because of higher costs and taxes.
 
Apparently the entire British Steel industry is about to collapse
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...eel-sector-at-risk-of-impending-collapse.html
It has already collapsed as a result of a trade deal with China last year. I can't remember the details (British steel was on its last legs anyway) but im afraid this is coincidental correlation more than anything else. I doubt the last gasp of British steel will ripple at all through the global economy.
 
The funniest thing to me is all the bad news about banks. Some are laying off to meet the US Gov's reserve requirements, but some of them had very strong bets on BRICs(especially China), Oil, and Commodities. Deutsche Bank, in particular, is getting hit hard. It is likely an indicator of where the rest of the market will be going too.

http://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-shares-hit-record-low-2016-2

http://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-on-financials-pain-2016-2

There have already been bailouts of Italian Banks this year, too.

http://www.reuters.com/article/italy-banks-bonds-idUSL8N1490SJ20151221

More will likely come. Morgan Stanley got hit hard too along with the largest banks.

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/morgan-stanley-hit-hardest-in-bank-selloff-20160208-01066

Now that those bets are going south, I wonder how long it will be until they start asking for another bailout...
 
. Some are laying off to meet the US Gov's reserve requirements

Yeah that's horseshit. If the reserve requirements were not in place the banks would be even higher leveraged. That was a rule made out of nessesity.

Deutsche Bank
Deutsche Bank is in significant trouble. They've had to make a press release stating that they're in good financial shape, whilst announcing massive company layoffs.

They're being compared to the next lehman brothers. That's how serious this is getting.
 
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Deutsche Bank is in significant trouble. They've had to make a press release stating that they're in good financial shape, whilst announcing massive company layoffs.

They're being compared to the next lehman brothers. That's how serious this is getting.

They are experiencing a confidence collapse. People realize that they are swimming naked(Warren Buffet Term) and completely exposed to this next downturn. Deutsche Bank might as well be a cop standing outside of a burning fireworks factory telling people "there is nothing to see here".

Once a major bank falls, it is not long before the rest start panicking and we have another bailout. This is almost an exact mirror of 2008's timeline. 2008 already set the stage and expectations for another bailout round.

The other fun thing is that Gas Prices are likely going to fall further. OPEC can't control production anymore because their members are all cheating. Each government needs the money to prop up their governments and will take whatever price they can get now to keep themselves in power.

http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/02/09/iea-warns-of-false-dawn-in-oil-prices-with-market-awash/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/08/opec-civil-war-saudis-walk-out-on-venezuela/

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/dec/30/oil-iran-saudi-arabia-russia-venezuela-nigeria-libya

Russia and Venezuela are the countries most hurt right now with the current prices. They desperately want $150 a barrel oil in a world that can no longer afford oil at that price.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/russian-federation/2016-01-27/lights-out-putin-regime
 
The other fun thing is that Gas Prices are likely going to fall further. OPEC can't control production anymore because their members are all cheating. Each government needs the money to prop up their governments and will take whatever price they can get now to keep themselves in power.

Some banks are now making the call that oil will hit the mid teens. That's an incredible price collapse for a global economy that was considered strong before Christmas.
 
We are in for a huge crash, just look at the signs.

China vastly over reporting growth numbers

Many companies geared up to produce what China needs resulting in a massive glut of commodities world wide

The latest tech bubble is starting to burst, hurting market index funds and causing more investor withdrawal Remember many of the world biggest stocks rely on heavy consumer activity to generate that profit, when the money for shiny baubles dries up you can kiss Apple's "guaranteed" winner status good-bye.

The big world banks are over invested in China and now are starting to see massive losses. This pushes even more investor withdrawal from the system.

The world shipping index, that tracks how much tonnage is moved by ocean, is at an all time low. They estimate about 45% of the world wide fleet is operating at a lost due to the drop in demand for transport.

Japan is on the verge of a major cloaspe, the EU is still suffering from instability from the major member states.

Shit is coming and I don't personally believe another big bail out will make any difference, all it will do is line the pockets of the wealthy and drain what's left of the middle class.

The whole system needs an overhaul really but I see no hope for that given the political tools of the upper classes.

Just my humble opinions but if I were you I would clench my anus now.
 
We are in for a huge crash, just look at the signs.

China vastly over reporting growth numbers

Many companies geared up to produce what China needs resulting in a massive glut of commodities world wide

The latest tech bubble is starting to burst, hurting market index funds and causing more investor withdrawal Remember many of the world biggest stocks rely on heavy consumer activity to generate that profit, when the money for shiny baubles dries up you can kiss Apple's "guaranteed" winner status good-bye.

The big world banks are over invested in China and now are starting to see massive losses. This pushes even more investor withdrawal from the system.

The world shipping index, that tracks how much tonnage is moved by ocean, is at an all time low. They estimate about 45% of the world wide fleet is operating at a lost due to the drop in demand for transport.

Japan is on the verge of a major cloaspe, the EU is still suffering from instability from the major member states.

Shit is coming and I don't personally believe another big bail out will make any difference, all it will do is line the pockets of the wealthy and drain what's left of the middle class.

The whole system needs an overhaul really but I see no hope for that given the political tools of the upper classes.

Just my humble opinions but if I were you I would clench my anus now.
Shit, it really looks like we will be in for another depression.
Time to hope that I can actually get a job this summer and maybe hope that this depression doesn't end with fucking World War III I guess.
 
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