Opinion Why America needs a hate speech law - "Democracy Dies In Darkness" indeed...

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When I was a journalist, I loved Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.’s assertion that the Constitution and the First Amendment are not just about protecting “free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate.”

But as a government official traveling around the world championing the virtues of free speech, I came to see how our First Amendment standard is an outlier. Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. Why, they asked me, would you ever want to protect that?

It’s a fair question. Yes, the First Amendment protects the “thought that we hate,” but it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another. In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw.

It is important to remember that our First Amendment doesn’t just protect the good guys; our foremost liberty also protects any bad actors who hide behind it to weaken our society. In the weeks leading up to the 2016 election, Russia’s Internet Research Agency planted false stories hoping they would go viral. They did. Russian agents assumed fake identities, promulgated false narratives and spread lies on Twitter and Facebook, all protected by the First Amendment.

The Russians understood that our free press and its reflex toward balance and fairness would enable Moscow to slip its destructive ideas into our media ecosystem. When Putin said back in 2014 that there were no Russian troops in Crimea — an outright lie — he knew our media would report it, and we did.

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That’s partly because the intellectual underpinning of the First Amendment was engineered for a simpler era. The amendment rests on the notion that the truth will win out in what Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas called “the marketplace of ideas.” This “marketplace” model has a long history going back to 17th-century English intellectual John Milton, but in all that time, no one ever quite explained how good ideas drive out bad ones, how truth triumphs over falsehood.

Milton, an early opponent of censorship, said truth would prevail in a “free and open encounter.” A century later, the framers believed that this marketplace was necessary for people to make informed choices in a democracy. Somehow, magically, truth would emerge. The presumption has always been that the marketplace would offer a level playing field. But in the age of social media, that landscape is neither level nor fair.

On the Internet, truth is not optimized. On the Web, it’s not enough to battle falsehood with truth; the truth doesn’t always win. In the age of social media, the marketplace model doesn’t work. A 2016 Stanford study showed that 82 percent of middle schoolers couldn’t distinguish between an ad labeled “sponsored content” and an actual news story. Only a quarter of high school students could tell the difference between an actual verified news site and one from a deceptive account designed to look like a real one.

Since World War II, many nations have passed laws to curb the incitement of racial and religious hatred. These laws started out as protections against the kinds of anti-Semitic bigotry that gave rise to the Holocaust. We call them hate speech laws, but there’s no agreed-upon definition of what hate speech actually is. In general, hate speech is speech that attacks and insults people on the basis of race, religion, ethnic origin and sexual orientation.

I think it’s time to consider these statutes. The modern standard of dangerous speech comes from Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) and holds that speech that directly incites “imminent lawless action” or is likely to do so can be restricted. Domestic terrorists such as Dylann Roof and Omar Mateen and the El Paso shooter were consumers of hate speech. Speech doesn’t pull the trigger, but does anyone seriously doubt that such hateful speech creates a climate where such acts are more likely?

Let the debate begin. Hate speech has a less violent, but nearly as damaging, impact in another way: It diminishes tolerance. It enables discrimination. Isn’t that, by definition, speech that undermines the values that the First Amendment was designed to protect: fairness, due process, equality before the law? Why shouldn’t the states experiment with their own version of hate speech statutes to penalize speech that deliberately insults people based on religion, race, ethnicity and sexual orientation?

All speech is not equal. And where truth cannot drive out lies, we must add new guardrails. I’m all for protecting “thought that we hate,” but not speech that incites hate. It undermines the very values of a fair marketplace of ideas that the First Amendment is designed to protect.
 
we learn to speak to communicate; not to have people say we cant have opinions or share are views. It basically goes against the ideas of a free society(well, the little freedom we have).

We should have the ability to say something then get ridiculed for it without being censored or fear of arrest. Not to mention how easily banning free speech would effect media, culture and influxes of political powers.
 
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we learn to speak to communicate; not to have people say we cant have opinions or share are views. It basically goes against the ideas of a free society(well, the little freedom we have).

We should have the ability to say something then get ridiculed for it without being censored or fear of arrest. Not to mention how easily banning free speech would effect media, culture and influxes of political powers.
I'm a Hobbit.
 
You already have the social policing of hate speech. Call a black person a nigger on camera and watch you lose your job, get a cancel culture mob on your ass and the media parading your face and name on the news.

The last thing that is needed is hate speech laws because they will be used and abused by governments. In todays society, hate speech is a fast and loose term thrown around to silence criticism and to be used as a political weapon. You criticise a trans person like pre news Yaniv or someone similar for certain degenerate acts they do, they can call it hate speech and get you in trouble both socially and legally. In this #metoo world where sexual assault allegations are thrown out, hate speech allegations will probably become more common.

It also opens the gates for some really nefarious shit like 3rd party reporting of hate speech. I could make a joke with my black friend where the word "nigger" is the punchline or part of it, he could be fine with it, but dangerhair on isle 5 could overhear it and report my ass. That's the rule in the UK, where you can get busybodies who like to get in your face about how it's not alright and how they are going to report you and the law could back them up.
 
It is important to remember that our First Amendment doesn’t just protect the good guys
Wait, are you telling me freedom of speech is freedom of speech?
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Love how this dude brings up the Quaran but not the American flag. Wonder why...
 
Fuck you.

Stop being a salty boi.

I'm a Hobbit.

I like hobbits, they're the right height to give me head, and the flat spot on their noggins is a great place to rest a super-can of Coor's Light. Anyways, the point is that if we had hate speech laws, this site would get flushed about .82 seconds after the law was passed, and most of us would be rounded up, because we're all enthusiastically vulgar, and at least somewhat universally MATI.
 
Wait, are you telling me freedom of speech is freedom of speech?
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Love how this dude brings up the Quaran but not the American flag. Wonder why...
The thing that really bugs me is it’s ok to burn the flag but this asshole has his head so far up his ass that he quotes a Muslim who’s upset with someone burning the Quran.

How do you not equate these actions as equal? Oh right, you hate America. I wish these idiots would grow a pair and move to a Muslim country but they won’t because they’re cowards who love the perks from American freedom while simultaneously and vocally hating it and supporting a sadistic and regressive religion that opposes those freedoms.
 
I love their sweaters.
On topic: if the guy who wrote this isn't a fucking kike, i'll eat my gosh-darned hat
I quickly checked earlier and actually didn't see anything about it. Then again, let me add "jewish" to the search ter-
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Of course he is.
 
Don't we already have laws against inciting riots and "fighting words"? Those should absolutely cover everything dangerous about "hate speech" without having to take away my right to say niggerfaggot on the internet.

Setting up a soapbox on the street and yelling about niggers and spics and white supremacy is absolutely a sign you're up to no good and I personally wouldn't mind the cops dragging someone like that away. The problem with hate speech laws though is that they ignore all context and penalize casual conversation or simple blind ignorance as if its a direct attack.

There's already laws to deal with fighting words. If I raise my fists up to someone in public and yell "I'm gonna kill you!", that's more or less Assault. As I recall, it becomes Assault and Battery when the hitting actually starts. If some uppity hick wanders into a bar and starts calling some random dude slurs, then yeah, that sounds like assault to me. If people are just cracking rude jokes in the background, that's different. Maybe they should be told to piss off by the proprietor if they're annoying the hell out of everyone, but there's a law for that too: Disturbing the Peace/Disorderly Conduct. There is already a system in place to deal with all of this, we don't need a bullshit law about it.
 
Don't we already have laws against inciting riots and "fighting words"?

"Fighting words" is essentially a dead doctrine. It wouldn't even apply to the words that were found to be "fighting words" in the original Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire case (calling a cop a "damned fascist" and a "racketeer").
 
There's a UN "International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination," which certainly isn't abused in Current Year when it seems anything can be "discrimination."

I did a quick Google search - all over Europe folks are being arrested for "hate speech"
How long has Europe been that "progressive?"
 
There's a UN "International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination," which certainly isn't abused in Current Year when it seems anything can be "discrimination."
How can they abuse anything when they are completely without power?
 
Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. Why, they asked me, would you ever want to protect that?

It’s a fair question. Yes, the First Amendment protects the “thought that we hate,” but it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another. In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw.

Can Trump please ship this fucker off to Iran? In Iran you can get the death penalty for being a "political dissident," which we can assume includes writing subversive bullshit like this.
 
I was completely unaware the U.K. had hate speech laws until yesterday. (I live under a rock. I'm sorry.) I'm speechless. 41% of Americans think we need hate speech laws? Now I'm terrified. I still remember in 7th grade some of the kids wanted the law to get rid of the KKK and I agreed with them. The teacher tried explaining to us, you don't want the government to have that kind of power. He was right. You don't need a law degree for this. I'm pissed. Deomocracy is in danger from adults who are dumber than 7th graders. What do I do besides get mad on the internet? Those fucking people are ruining careers and cancelling people on twitter. I feel like they're coming for the 1st ammendment next.
 
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