Opinion Why America needs a hate speech law - "Democracy Dies In Darkness" indeed...

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When I was a journalist, I loved Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.’s assertion that the Constitution and the First Amendment are not just about protecting “free thought for those who agree with us but freedom for the thought that we hate.”

But as a government official traveling around the world championing the virtues of free speech, I came to see how our First Amendment standard is an outlier. Even the most sophisticated Arab diplomats that I dealt with did not understand why the First Amendment allows someone to burn a Koran. Why, they asked me, would you ever want to protect that?

It’s a fair question. Yes, the First Amendment protects the “thought that we hate,” but it should not protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another. In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw.

It is important to remember that our First Amendment doesn’t just protect the good guys; our foremost liberty also protects any bad actors who hide behind it to weaken our society. In the weeks leading up to the 2016 election, Russia’s Internet Research Agency planted false stories hoping they would go viral. They did. Russian agents assumed fake identities, promulgated false narratives and spread lies on Twitter and Facebook, all protected by the First Amendment.

The Russians understood that our free press and its reflex toward balance and fairness would enable Moscow to slip its destructive ideas into our media ecosystem. When Putin said back in 2014 that there were no Russian troops in Crimea — an outright lie — he knew our media would report it, and we did.

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That’s partly because the intellectual underpinning of the First Amendment was engineered for a simpler era. The amendment rests on the notion that the truth will win out in what Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas called “the marketplace of ideas.” This “marketplace” model has a long history going back to 17th-century English intellectual John Milton, but in all that time, no one ever quite explained how good ideas drive out bad ones, how truth triumphs over falsehood.

Milton, an early opponent of censorship, said truth would prevail in a “free and open encounter.” A century later, the framers believed that this marketplace was necessary for people to make informed choices in a democracy. Somehow, magically, truth would emerge. The presumption has always been that the marketplace would offer a level playing field. But in the age of social media, that landscape is neither level nor fair.

On the Internet, truth is not optimized. On the Web, it’s not enough to battle falsehood with truth; the truth doesn’t always win. In the age of social media, the marketplace model doesn’t work. A 2016 Stanford study showed that 82 percent of middle schoolers couldn’t distinguish between an ad labeled “sponsored content” and an actual news story. Only a quarter of high school students could tell the difference between an actual verified news site and one from a deceptive account designed to look like a real one.

Since World War II, many nations have passed laws to curb the incitement of racial and religious hatred. These laws started out as protections against the kinds of anti-Semitic bigotry that gave rise to the Holocaust. We call them hate speech laws, but there’s no agreed-upon definition of what hate speech actually is. In general, hate speech is speech that attacks and insults people on the basis of race, religion, ethnic origin and sexual orientation.

I think it’s time to consider these statutes. The modern standard of dangerous speech comes from Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) and holds that speech that directly incites “imminent lawless action” or is likely to do so can be restricted. Domestic terrorists such as Dylann Roof and Omar Mateen and the El Paso shooter were consumers of hate speech. Speech doesn’t pull the trigger, but does anyone seriously doubt that such hateful speech creates a climate where such acts are more likely?

Let the debate begin. Hate speech has a less violent, but nearly as damaging, impact in another way: It diminishes tolerance. It enables discrimination. Isn’t that, by definition, speech that undermines the values that the First Amendment was designed to protect: fairness, due process, equality before the law? Why shouldn’t the states experiment with their own version of hate speech statutes to penalize speech that deliberately insults people based on religion, race, ethnicity and sexual orientation?

All speech is not equal. And where truth cannot drive out lies, we must add new guardrails. I’m all for protecting “thought that we hate,” but not speech that incites hate. It undermines the very values of a fair marketplace of ideas that the First Amendment is designed to protect.
 
Restricting speech is never about threats like "I command my subscribers to go kill this person" because we already have incitement laws to cover that. And it's never about slurs like "nigger". It's about illegalizing political positions that threaten the supremacy of the ruling party. If you make "nigger" illegal, that's just the pretense, the real goal is to say this or that position on gun control or immigration or health care or whatever is equally offensive and hurtful to the slur, therefore you cannot say it and your chosen politicians can't run it in their platform. This is only and always what it's about. So long as I have the freedom to say nigger, then I also have the freedom to argue my case about why my ideas are good and it is you assholes who are the real racists.
Also the government can deny you access to the financial system , and in process prevent you from accessing certain jobs. And likely top qualities of health care. they will also deny you the ability to leave the country as well
 
Who would have standing to sue over this?
How would this not be a political question (and thus unjusticable)?
@AnOminous

Any case heard by an improperly constituted court would be void, or at least it would be if they ruled that about this specific issue. So anyone facing a case before SCOTUS would have standing to raise the issue. Congress can and has changed the number of Justices on the Court before, though. There have been as few as six (Judiciary Act of 1789) and as many as 10 (1863), reduced to nine shortly afterward (1869).

If I had to come up with a plan, it would be to re-draft the Circuits to represent roughly equal populations, break up the Ninth Circuit into as many as three new Circuits, and establish a sub-Supreme Court intermediate appellate court with a judge representing each Circuit including the new ones.

Then I'd make SCOTUS jurisdiction mandatory on some closeness of split between the lower court en banc, but otherwise that lower court would have final say. I have a bunch of other dumb ideas nobody will ever do.

And it's never about slurs like "nigger". It's about illegalizing political positions that threaten the supremacy of the ruling party.

And the piece of shit recommending this is, in fact, among that ruling party, which isn't Republicans or Democrats but the fruity little club of elites like this guy, a former managing editor of Time Magazine. He's one of those guys who would benefit hugely from a state enforced monopoly on acceptable opinions.

μολὼν λαβέ motherfucker.
 
Any case heard by an improperly constituted court would be void, or at least it would be if they ruled that about this specific issue. So anyone facing a case before SCOTUS would have standing to raise the issue. Congress can and has changed the number of Justices on the Court before, though. There have been as few as six (Judiciary Act of 1789) and as many as 10 (1863), reduced to nine shortly afterward (1869).

If I had to come up with a plan, it would be to re-draft the Circuits to represent roughly equal populations, break up the Ninth Circuit into as many as three new Circuits, and establish a sub-Supreme Court intermediate appellate court with a judge representing each Circuit including the new ones.

Then I'd make SCOTUS jurisdiction mandatory on some closeness of split between the lower court en banc, but otherwise that lower court would have final say. I have a bunch of other dumb ideas nobody will ever do.

Right so the second part there (congress changing the court size) is why i don't see how thats remotely Justicable

your second federal bench reform plan is a good start
 
A collection of articles like this with the bylines highlighted can do more to promote anti-Semitism than the Daily Stormer and /pol/ together.
 
Right so the second part there (congress changing the court size) is why i don't see how thats remotely Justicable

They decide what's justiciable, though. If Congress outright stated they were deliberately stacking the court with Justices guaranteed to rule that nothing in the Constitution mattered any more and that the President was now permanently an absolute monarch, I think they'd have a job to do at that point.
 
They decide what's justiciable, though. If Congress outright stated they were deliberately stacking the court with Justices guaranteed to rule that nothing in the Constitution mattered any more and that the President was now permanently an absolute monarch, I think they'd have a job to do at that point.
So this would be a nuclear constitutional crisis on their end
 
The court can't stop itself from being packed

and it would lose legitimacy with the people......but would the folks who want hate speech laws care?

This is why for the love of god, I wish there was an amendment stipulating that the Supreme Court will be composed of 9 justices. You'd think that would at least make it past the first stage of the process. I'm guessing there would be trouble on getting 3/4 of state legislatures to agree because some of the Left wing states may not accept the proposal just in case their party gains power and seeks to pack the court.
 
Remember Eisenhower sending the 101st in to enforce desegregation when they reversed?
 
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Also the government can deny you access to the financial system , and in process prevent you from accessing certain jobs. And likely top qualities of health care. they will also deny you the ability to leave the country as well

Sort of like China wants to do via its' "social credit" system.
 
Outlawing hate speech isn't going to stop people from hating. It's not going to stop bigotry -- we'll still have racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, etc. I'd rather know who my enemies are, thank you very much.

At one time, we had the Patriot Act, and that was bad enough. Back in the day, John Adams had the Alien and Sedition Act, which was struck down. Trump would LOVE something like that. (No matter how you feel about the guy, you cannot deny that he cannot deal with criticism. That is one of his biggest flaws.)

A lot of people seem to think it would only apply to minorities, and don't understand how it would come to bite them in the ass.





(And we already HAVE laws to ban shit like child porn, threats of death and/or assault, causing panics (falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater), defamation, etc. It's not the same thing. So that dog won't hunt)
 
If you want hate speech laws, look no further than freedom of speech in China.
Spoiler: There isn't one

One can argue it will be worse than China, because you won't get slammed for making fun of niggers, kikes, and mudslime, there; three groups that the ruling elite in white countries fellate on.

So yeah, advocating for hate speech laws means advocating for Chinese-style censorship on heroine. To prevent this from happening, I urge all Americans to hold onto their guns and accumulate more weaponry.
 
These are also the same people who yell and scream about flag-burning laws, which I'm also against. If we outlaw hate speech, how much easier will it be to outlaw flag-burning?
 
These are also the same people who yell and scream about flag-burning laws, which I'm also against. If we outlaw hate speech, how much easier will it be to outlaw flag-burning?
No you don’t understand, flag burning is good and should be protected. It’s all that “other” speech they want banned, you know the stuff they disagree with.
 
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