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We're in a permanent coup
Americans might soon wish they just waited to vote their way out of the Trump era
Oct 11 at 8:01 pm

I’ve lived through a few coups. They’re insane, random, and terrifying, like watching sports, except your political future depends on the score.
The kickoff begins when a key official decides to buck the executive. From that moment, government becomes a high-speed head-counting exercise. Who’s got the power plant, the airport, the police in the capital? How many department chiefs are answering their phones? Who’s writing tonight’s newscast?
When the KGB in 1991 tried to reassume control of the crumbling Soviet Union by placing Mikhail Gorbachev under arrest and attempting to seize Moscow, logistics ruled. Boris Yeltsin’s crew drove to the Russian White House in ordinary cars, beating KGB coup plotters who were trying to reach the seat of Russian government in armored vehicles. A key moment came when one of Yeltsin’s men, Alexander Rutskoi – who two years later would himself lead a coup against Yeltsin – prevailed upon a Major in a tank unit to defy KGB orders and turn on the “criminals.”
We have long been spared this madness in America. Our head-counting ceremony was Election Day. We did it once every four years.
That’s all over, in the Trump era.
On Thursday, news broke that two businessmen said to have “peddled supposedly explosive information about corruption involving Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden” were arrested at Dulles airport on “campaign finance violations.” The two figures are alleged to be bagmen bearing “dirt” on Democrats, solicited by Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman will be asked to give depositions to impeachment investigators. They’re reportedly going to refuse. Their lawyer John Dowd also says they will “refuse to appear before House Committees investigating President Donald Trump.” Fruman and Parnas meanwhile claim they had real derogatory information about Biden and other politicians, but “the U.S. government had shown little interest in receiving it through official channels.”
For Americans not familiar with the language of the Third World, that’s two contrasting denials of political legitimacy.
The men who are the proxies for Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani in this story are asserting that “official channels” have been corrupted. The forces backing impeachment, meanwhile, are telling us those same defendants are obstructing a lawful impeachment inquiry.
This latest incident, set against the impeachment mania and the reportedly “expanding” Russiagate investigation of U.S. Attorney John Durham, accelerates our timeline to chaos. We are speeding toward a situation when someone in one of these camps refuses to obey a major decree, arrest order, or court decision, at which point Americans will get to experience the joys of their political futures being decided by phone calls to generals and police chiefs.
My discomfort in the last few years, first with Russiagate and now with Ukrainegate and impeachment, stems from the belief that the people pushing hardest for Trump’s early removal are more dangerous than Trump. Many Americans don’t see this because they’re not used to waking up in a country where you’re not sure who the president will be by nightfall. They don’t understand that this predicament is worse than having a bad president.

The Trump presidency is the first to reveal a full-blown schism between the intelligence community and the White House. Senior figures in the CIA, NSA, FBI and other agencies made an open break from their would-be boss before Trump’s inauguration, commencing a public war of leaks that has not stopped.
The first big shot was fired in early January, 2017, via a CNN.com headline, “Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him.” This tale, about the January 7th presentation of former British spy Christopher Steele’s report to then-President-elect Trump, began as follows:
Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.
Four intelligence chiefs in the FBI’s James Comey, the CIA’s John Brennan, the NSA’s Mike Rogers, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, presented an incoming president with a politically disastrous piece of information, in this case a piece of a private opposition research report.
Among other things because the news dropped at the same time Buzzfeed decided to publish the entire “bombshell” Steele dossier, reporters spent that week obsessing not about the mode of the story’s release, but about the “claims.” In particular, audiences were rapt by allegations that Russians were trying to blackmail Trump with evidence of a golden shower party commissioned on a bed once slept upon by Barack Obama himself.
Twitter exploded. No other news story mattered. For the next two years, the “claims” of compromise and a “continuing” Trump-Russian “exchange” hung over the White House like a sword of Damocles.
Few were interested in the motives for making this story public. As it turned out, there were two explanations, one that was made public, and one that only came out later. The public justification as outlined in the CNN piece, was to “make the President-elect aware that such allegations involving him [were] circulating among intelligence agencies.”
However, we know from Comey’s January 7, 2017 memo to deputy Andrew McCabe and FBI General Counsel James Baker there was another explanation. Comey wrote:
I said I wasn’t saying this was true, only that I wanted [Trump] to know both that it had been reported and that the reports were in many hands. I said media like CNN had them and were looking for a news hook. I said it was important that we not give them the excuse to write that the FBI has the material or [redacted] and that we were keeping it very close-hold.
Imagine if a similar situation had taken place in January of 2009, involving president-elect Barack Obama. Picture a meeting between Obama and the heads of the CIA, NSA, and FBI, along with the DIA, in which the newly-elected president is presented with a report complied by, say, Judicial Watch, accusing him of links to al-Qaeda. Imagine further that they tell Obama they are presenting him with this information to make him aware of a blackmail threat, and to reassure him they won’t give news agencies a “hook” to publish the news.
Now imagine if that news came out on Fox days later. Imagine further that within a year, one of the four officials became a paid Fox contributor. Democrats would lose their minds in this set of circumstances.
The country mostly did not lose its mind, however, because the episode did not involve a traditionally presidential figure like Obama, nor was it understood to have been directed at the institution of “the White House” in the abstract.
Instead, it was a story about an infamously corrupt individual, Donald Trump, a pussy-grabbing scammer who bragged about using bankruptcy to escape debt and publicly praised Vladimir Putin. Audiences believed the allegations against this person and saw the intelligence/counterintelligence community as acting patriotically, doing their best to keep us informed about a still-breaking investigation of a rogue president.
But a parallel story was ignored. Leaks from the intelligence community most often pertain to foreign policy. The leak of the January, 2017 “meeting” between the four chiefs and Trump – which without question damaged both the presidency and America’s standing abroad – was an unprecedented act of insubordination.
It was also a bold new foray into domestic politics by intelligence agencies that in recent decades began asserting all sorts of frightening new authority. They were kidnapping foreigners, assassinating by drone, conducting paramilitary operations without congressional notice, building an international archipelago of secret prisons, and engaging in mass warrantless surveillance of Americans. We found out in a court case just last week how extensive the illegal domestic surveillance has been, with the FBI engaging in tens of thousands of warrantless searches involving American emails and phone numbers under the guise of combating foreign subversion.
The agencies’ new trick is inserting themselves into domestic politics using leaks and media pressure. The “intel chiefs” meeting was just the first in a series of similar stories, many following the pattern in which a document was created, passed from department from department, and leaked. A sample:
  • February 14, 2017: “four current and former officials” tell the New York Timesthe Trump campaign had “repeated contacts” with Russian intelligence.
  • March 1, 2017: “Justice Department officials” tell the Washington Post Attorney General Jeff Sessions “spoke twice with Russia’s ambassador” and did not disclose the contacts ahead of his confirmation hearing.
  • March 18, 2017: “people familiar with the matter” tell the Wall Street Journalthat former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn failed to disclose a “contact” with a Russian at Cambridge University, an episode that “came to the notice of U.S. intelligence.”
  • April 8, 2017, 2017: “law enforcement and other U.S. officials” tell the Washington Post the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge had ruled there was “probable cause” to believe former Trump aide Carter Page was an “agent of a foreign power.”
  • April 13, 2017: a “source close to UK intelligence” tells Luke Harding at The Guardian that the British analog to the NSA, the GCHQ, passed knowledge of “suspicious interactions” between “figures connected to Trump and “known or suspected Russian agents” to Americans as part of a “routine exchange of information.”
  • December 17, 2017: “four current and former American and foreign officials” tell the New York Times that during the 2016 campaign, an Australian diplomat named Alexander Downer told “American counterparts” that former Trump aide George Papadopoulos revealed “Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.
  • April 13, 2018: “two sources familiar with the matter” tell McClatchy that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office has evidence Trump lawyer Michael Cohen was in Prague in 2016, “confirming part of [Steele] dossier.”
  • November 27, 2018: a “well-placed source” tells Harding at The Guardian that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort met with Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
  • January 19, 2019: “former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation” tell the New York Times the FBI opened an inquiry into the “explosive implications” of whether or not Donald Trump was working on behalf of the Russians.
To be sure, “people familiar with the matter” leaked a lot of true stories in the last few years, but many were clearly problematic even at the time of release. Moreover, all took place in the context of constant, hounding pressure from media figures, congressional allies like Democrats Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, as well as ex-officials who could make use of their own personal public platforms in addition to being unnamed sources in straight news reports. They used commercial news platforms to argue that Trump had committed treason, needed to be removed from office, and preferably also indicted as soon as possible.
A shocking number of these voices were former intelligence officers who joined Clapper in becoming paid news contributors. Op-ed pages and news networks are packed now with ex-spooks editorializing about stories in which they had personal involvement: Michael Morell, Michael Hayden, Asha Rangappa, and Andrew McCabeamong many others, including especially all four of the original “intel chiefs”: Clapper, Rogers, Comey, and MSNBC headliner John Brennan.
Russiagate birthed a whole brand of politics, a government-in-exile, which prosecuted its case against Trump via a constant stream of “approved” leaks, partisans in congress, and an increasingly unified and thematically consistent set of commercial news outlets.
These mechanisms have been transplanted now onto the Ukrainegate drama. It’s the same people beating the public drums, with the messaging run out of the same congressional committees, through the same Nadlers, Schiffs, and Swalwells. The same news outlets are on full alert.
The sidelined “intel chiefs” are once again playing central roles in making the public case. Comey says “we may now be at a point” where impeachment is necessary. Brennan, with unintentional irony, says the United States is “no longer a democracy.” Clapper says the Ukraine whistleblower complaint is “one of the most credible” he’s seen.
As a reporter covering the 2015–2016 presidential race, I thought Trump’s campaign was disturbing on many levels, but logical as a news story. He succeeded for class reasons, because of flaws in the media business that gifted him mass amounts of coverage, and because he took cunning advantage of long-simmering frustrations in the electorate. He also clearly catered to racist fears, and to the collapse in trust in institutions like the news media, the Fed, corporations, NATO, and, yes, the intelligence services. In enormous numbers, voters rejected everything they had ever been told about who was and was not qualified for higher office.
Trump’s campaign antagonism toward the military and intelligence world was at best a millimeter thick. Like almost everything else he said as a candidate, it was a gimmick, designed to get votes. That he was insincere and full of it and irresponsible, at first at least, when he attacked the “deep state” and the “fake news media,” doesn’t change the reality of what’s happened since. Even paranoiacs have enemies, and even Donald “Deep State” Trump is a legitimately elected president whose ouster is being actively sought by the intelligence community.
Trump stands accused of using the office of the presidency to advance political aims, in particular pressuring Ukraine to investigate potential campaign rival Joe Biden. He’s guilty, but the issue is how guilty, in comparison to his accusers.
Trump, at least insofar as we know, has not used section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to monitor political rivals. He hasn’t deployed human counterintelligence “informants” to follow the likes of Hunter Biden. He hasn’t maneuvered to secure Special Counsel probes of Democrats.
And while Donald Trump conducting foreign policy based on what he sees on Fox and Friends is troubling, it’s not in the same ballpark as CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post and the New York Times engaging in de facto coverage partnerships with the FBI and CIA to push highly politicized, phony narratives like Russiagate.
Trump’s tinpot Twitter threats and cancellation of White House privileges for dolts like Jim Acosta also don’t begin to compare to the danger posed by Facebook, Google, and Twitter – under pressure from the Senate – organizing with groups like the Atlantic Council to fight “fake news” in the name of preventing the “foment of discord.”
I don’t believe most Americans have thought through what a successful campaign to oust Donald Trump would look like. Most casual news consumers can only think of it in terms of Mike Pence becoming president. The real problem would be the precedent of a de facto intelligence community veto over elections, using the lunatic spookworld brand of politics that has dominated the last three years of anti-Trump agitation.
CIA/FBI-backed impeachment could also be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Donald Trump thinks he’s going to be jailed upon leaving office, he’ll sooner or later figure out that his only real move is to start acting like the “dictator” MSNBC and CNN keep insisting he is. Why give up the White House and wait to be arrested, when he still has theoretical authority to send Special Forces troops rappelling through the windows of every last Russiagate/Ukrainegate leaker? That would be the endgame in a third world country, and it’s where we’re headed, unless someone calls off this craziness. Welcome to the Permanent Power Struggle.
 
I’m going to be really honest with you guys right now: I’m ready for the Trump presidency to be over with.

I’m tired of our president being a walking, talking physical embodiment of a shitpost.

I’m tired of the Republican Party tongue washing the shit from his turd cutter every chance they get.

I’m tired of the exceptional behavior coming from the Democratic Party, both from the leadership and the screaming ninny fags at the far end of the party who want to tax cow farts and give billions to dindus for reparations.

I’m tired of the media outlets either outright lying and covering for Trump, or actively reporting on things in a manner to stoke outrage and fear where it’s not applicable, on both sides of the political aisle.

I’m tired of the state of politics in this country and how far down into the shit trough it’s gotten. I’m tired of our politicians not working together for the betterment of the country and all the people in it rather than for their own and their party’s self interests.

I’m not saying that the Trump administration is the direct cause of the state of politics in this country, but it certainly hasn’t improved it any between his behavior and the behavior of anyone who either supports or opposes him.

And the worst part is that I don’t know how we’d even fix it at this point, short of a complete dismantling and rebuilding of our political system, and we all know that would suck.

Sorry for the rant, I’m just sort of feeling dejected with everything that’s going on with our country right now. I don’t think anyone in either party is actively trying to break our country down and ruin us, but no one seems to be doing any good for it either.

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There isn't a thing that Trump has done that hasn't already been done by his predecessors, and that's why the establishment is so livid - they're pissed that he's pulling back the curtains, and revealing all the double-dealing, all the conflicts of interest, and all the convenient political bedfellows that aren't in the game to serve the country, but themselves and their cronies.
 
Nobody's going to give a shit about Trump once he's out of office especially if a Democrat follows up his presidency.

I still remember when Bush Jr was the Left's public enemy number one they said the same shit about him they're saying about Trump now and in 2019 he's hanging out with the Clintons and Ellen Degeneres.

Hell they said the same things about Ronald Reagan nearly 40 years ago and he's been invoked to attack Trump by TDS sufferers.

As for political polarization the 60s and 70s were even more polarized then today and things settled down in the 80s/90s this too will pass.
This is true for the political climate. It's the state of the government and the intelligence services that i think should be of concern.
 
Been thinking about this stuff...

It just happened to be Trump, but it could've been any other insurgent political candidate.

If Ron Paul, Bernie Sanders, or Ralph Nader (lol) had somehow become president, the exact same dynamic we're seeing now would be playing out (unless they got shot or something).

People have been noticing for years that it doesn't seem to matter who you vote for, basically the same agenda keeps going. That's because it does. Endless wars, endless immigration, endless enrichment for CEO and banker types while life just gets endlessly shittier for normal people trying to raise families.

Obama was supposed to be the change candidate, but he changed nothing of any importance. Didn't even try. Pretty smart of Obama, he walked into the White House with nothing and left it $300m richer. See how that works?

Trump just happens to be the first president in a long time to actually try to change the way the game is played. Turns out, the swamp doesn't want to be drained. The clever people, the self-appointed bigshots have no intention of allowing little things like "democracy" and "elections" interrupt their plans.

Thank God they're also incompetent.
 
Been thinking about this stuff...


People have been noticing for years that it doesn't seem to matter who you vote for, basically the same agenda keeps going. That's because it does. Endless wars, endless immigration, endless enrichment for CEO and banker types while life just gets endlessly shittier for normal people trying to raise families.

Obama was supposed to be the change candidate, but he changed nothing of any importance. Didn't even try. Pretty smart of Obama, he walked into the White House with nothing and left it $300m richer. See how that works?


This is some pretty deep takes. Lets look at Endless Immigration first

What is the purpose of US immigration policy? Can you say it in a sentence or a paragraph?

No you can't. So for a politician to make real changes to Immigration he has to have a discussion "Hey America what should our immigration policy even be?"

Could you imagine a National conversation lead by the president about that. Where he [and other national leaders] all talked about it and voters were given time to form opinions and vote accordingly.

"If Engineers over 50 are having a hard time staying employed should we import engineers from India and China?"
"Should our immigration policies benefit poach the best of other countries who come to our nations schools?"
"How did farm and labor organizations the last time we did a major immigration crackdown find a way to profit?"
Etc

We have decades of wrong thing and we don't have the infrustructure to deprogram the country
 
Except most of our immigration has F-All to do with labor and it depends on where they immigrate to for votes.

So if thats the policy then our system isnt designed to achieve that outcome

California went from electing guys like Nixon and Reagan to a one-party Democrat state just in 1-2 generations, Texas is turning purple, and wages have been stagnating for 40 years or more (while CEO pay has rocketed)

Not all of this is due to immigration (international labor arbitrage through outsourcing and globalization is another area where Trump is trying to buck a system that's insanely profitable for the guys at the top and insanely bad for working families), but wages do obey supply and demand curves so the 60 million (lowball estimate) people who have moved to the US since 1965 have obviously helped keep the value of American labor down

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Tl;dr - the bipartisan consensus on open borders isn't an accident, it's a racket
 
Our current immigration policy serves agribusiness, big corporations and the wealthy-from all over the political spectrum. It dilutes the wage capacity of the labor pool thus keeping wages low. It also serves politicians who run on providing more benefits to workers, like democrats and universal healthcare, expanding welfare benefits, etc. so that the working class, stained beyond belief, will vote for them. That's why it hasn't changed and that's why the left is going all out with picture of crying children and sob stories about violence in Honduras (which is probably on par with Detroit, a city Democrats ran into the ground).

The military will only step in if someone or a branch of government does something blatantly illegal and the judiciary/police can't or won't stop it. Even then, probably not.
 
Taibbi's piece is good because it points out that, whether you are pro- or anti-Trump, this is a disastrous path the Deep State goons and their pals in the media and the Democratic and yes, Republican party are taking the country down.

Lemme quote this part again, because anyone, especially non-crazed lefties or liberals, moderates and normies should be able to get what the problem is.

the people pushing hardest for Trump’s early removal are more dangerous than Trump. Many Americans don’t see this because they’re not used to waking up in a country where you’re not sure who the president will be by nightfall. They don’t understand that this predicament is worse than having a bad president.

The people who have been bleating about how the CIA and FBI and State Security apparatus are our friends trying to oust CheetoHitler, Putin's lackey, and thus they are good and honest annoy me with their learned stupidity. If the "intelligence community" they can't stop praising is willing to act this badly to remove a president, the logical next question is: what do they fear?

Comments replying to the article are full of psychotic Russiagaters who think Taibbi is now engaging in "whataboutism" because he isn't taking Russiagate seriously enough. How DARE you equate Trump's criminal activities which are totally criminal and the worst ever and violate all decent norms with our patriotic SPOOKS "occasionally" skirting or flouting the boundaries of procedure to take down Orange Voldemort?!??!!!!

Any figure on the left willing to stand against the Russiagate narrative must have a fair amount of guts to do so, considering how gratuitously many so-called "liberals" and "leftists" and "progressives" are quick to smear people who criticize the narrative or Hillary or Kamala Harris, etc. as Russian agents. Anyone who does so is "UNPATRIOTIC" and obviously a traitor in the thrall of foreign provocateurs - taking a few pages from McCarthy and J. Edgar's books. Some of them obviously feel a little bit of guilt for doing so, thus their reflexive and gratuitous need to take shots at Trump in their opinions and articles like Taibbi does here.

The #Resistance to Trump is supposedly based on this overly hysterical idea that he is operating indecently outside norms and violating them. I think a far greater threat to democratic norms is posed by the self-appointed arbiters of what the status quo should be within the Establishment itself, which has taken being set back a bit and used it to justify a war on the democratic process.
 
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Except most of our immigration has F-All to do with labor and it depends on where they immigrate to for votes.

So if thats the policy then our system isnt designed to achieve that outcome
Except where the jobs are tend to be governed by Republicans, and where there aren't are promises of gibs.
 
By numbers, sure. But in proportion to the population, no.

What's your point other than being a pro-invasion cuck who likes cheap piss lettuce?
 
Unlimited cheap labor for Republicans, unlimited cheap votes for Democrats.

I don't usually comment in these threads but I'm so glad people are realising the actual reasons why politicians support immigration and not just raging about non-existent Jewish conspiracies to destroy the white race. From a British perspective generally Labour supports more immigration because the immigrants vote for them. It's simple politics with no giant conspiracies involved.
 
I don't usually comment in these threads but I'm so glad people are realising the actual reasons why politicians support immigration and not just raging about non-existent Jewish conspiracies to destroy the white race. From a British perspective generally Labour supports more immigration because the immigrants vote for them. It's simple politics with no giant conspiracies involved.

There are multiple different factors behind immigration. Conservative Establishment wants cheap labor. Leftists want votes. Jews want diversity (Except for Israel of course). It's not a "Conspiracy" when they openly admit what they're doing. Mass immigration has been defeated before. The difference today is that the Organized Jewish Community is powerful and pushing for it. Whether they're in the media, the donor class, migration groups, lobbying groups, etc. they're the primary driving force that leads the mass migration movement today and the glue that holds it together.

Straight from the horse's mouth:



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People have been noticing for years that it doesn't seem to matter who you vote for, basically the same agenda keeps going. That's because it does. Endless wars, endless immigration, endless enrichment for CEO and banker types while life just gets endlessly shittier for normal people trying to raise families.

Take the source of this as you will, but Glenn Beck sometimes recounts a visit he had to the White House during the George W. Bush years that involved Bush stating. "He is not worried about who gets elected(in 16), because once they are in this office they will realize that they don't often have that much choice in what they do."
 
This is the propaganda from the side who routinely says votes about things even as huge as fucking Brexit just magically don't count because voters are "low information".
 
Take the source of this as you will, but Glenn Beck sometimes recounts a visit he had to the White House during the George W. Bush years that involved Bush stating. "He is not worried about who gets elected(in 16), because once they are in this office they will realize that they don't often have that much choice in what they do."

There are a lot of checks and balances in place to limit executive power, as there should be. What concerns me is that a lot of people in this thread want a system in which some demagogue can get elected and then reshape the country in his view without much opposition. That doesn't tend to work out very well.
 
By numbers, sure. But in proportion to the population, no.

What's your point other than being a pro-invasion cuck who likes cheap piss lettuce?

That the US Immigration policies arent remotely that coherent. And if that was their intention they are doing an awful job

AND Illegal/legal immigrants dont make a significant amount less then natural born citizens working in the "Same Jobs." That isnt their advantage in the employment market.
 
There are a lot of checks and balances in place to limit executive power, as there should be. What concerns me is that a lot of people in this thread want a system in which some demagogue can get elected and then reshape the country in his view without much opposition. That doesn't tend to work out very well.
There is a difference between checks and balances (this is what congress and the SCOTUS are supposed to be) and unelected suits who sit in their jobs with no oversight and tell the executive branch what to do.
 
I don't usually comment in these threads but I'm so glad people are realising the actual reasons why politicians support immigration and not just raging about non-existent Jewish conspiracies to destroy the white race. From a British perspective generally Labour supports more immigration because the immigrants vote for them. It's simple politics with no giant conspiracies involved.

Well well well, the shills have finally arrived!

I didn't know that (((Pointless Pedant))) was a Jewish name.




/sneed in case it wasn't obvious. Just channeling my inner voatard.
 
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