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We're in a permanent coup
Americans might soon wish they just waited to vote their way out of the Trump era
Oct 11 at 8:01 pm

I’ve lived through a few coups. They’re insane, random, and terrifying, like watching sports, except your political future depends on the score.
The kickoff begins when a key official decides to buck the executive. From that moment, government becomes a high-speed head-counting exercise. Who’s got the power plant, the airport, the police in the capital? How many department chiefs are answering their phones? Who’s writing tonight’s newscast?
When the KGB in 1991 tried to reassume control of the crumbling Soviet Union by placing Mikhail Gorbachev under arrest and attempting to seize Moscow, logistics ruled. Boris Yeltsin’s crew drove to the Russian White House in ordinary cars, beating KGB coup plotters who were trying to reach the seat of Russian government in armored vehicles. A key moment came when one of Yeltsin’s men, Alexander Rutskoi – who two years later would himself lead a coup against Yeltsin – prevailed upon a Major in a tank unit to defy KGB orders and turn on the “criminals.”
We have long been spared this madness in America. Our head-counting ceremony was Election Day. We did it once every four years.
That’s all over, in the Trump era.
On Thursday, news broke that two businessmen said to have “peddled supposedly explosive information about corruption involving Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden” were arrested at Dulles airport on “campaign finance violations.” The two figures are alleged to be bagmen bearing “dirt” on Democrats, solicited by Trump and his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani.
Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman will be asked to give depositions to impeachment investigators. They’re reportedly going to refuse. Their lawyer John Dowd also says they will “refuse to appear before House Committees investigating President Donald Trump.” Fruman and Parnas meanwhile claim they had real derogatory information about Biden and other politicians, but “the U.S. government had shown little interest in receiving it through official channels.”
For Americans not familiar with the language of the Third World, that’s two contrasting denials of political legitimacy.
The men who are the proxies for Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani in this story are asserting that “official channels” have been corrupted. The forces backing impeachment, meanwhile, are telling us those same defendants are obstructing a lawful impeachment inquiry.
This latest incident, set against the impeachment mania and the reportedly “expanding” Russiagate investigation of U.S. Attorney John Durham, accelerates our timeline to chaos. We are speeding toward a situation when someone in one of these camps refuses to obey a major decree, arrest order, or court decision, at which point Americans will get to experience the joys of their political futures being decided by phone calls to generals and police chiefs.
My discomfort in the last few years, first with Russiagate and now with Ukrainegate and impeachment, stems from the belief that the people pushing hardest for Trump’s early removal are more dangerous than Trump. Many Americans don’t see this because they’re not used to waking up in a country where you’re not sure who the president will be by nightfall. They don’t understand that this predicament is worse than having a bad president.

The Trump presidency is the first to reveal a full-blown schism between the intelligence community and the White House. Senior figures in the CIA, NSA, FBI and other agencies made an open break from their would-be boss before Trump’s inauguration, commencing a public war of leaks that has not stopped.
The first big shot was fired in early January, 2017, via a CNN.com headline, “Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him.” This tale, about the January 7th presentation of former British spy Christopher Steele’s report to then-President-elect Trump, began as follows:
Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN.
Four intelligence chiefs in the FBI’s James Comey, the CIA’s John Brennan, the NSA’s Mike Rogers, and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, presented an incoming president with a politically disastrous piece of information, in this case a piece of a private opposition research report.
Among other things because the news dropped at the same time Buzzfeed decided to publish the entire “bombshell” Steele dossier, reporters spent that week obsessing not about the mode of the story’s release, but about the “claims.” In particular, audiences were rapt by allegations that Russians were trying to blackmail Trump with evidence of a golden shower party commissioned on a bed once slept upon by Barack Obama himself.
Twitter exploded. No other news story mattered. For the next two years, the “claims” of compromise and a “continuing” Trump-Russian “exchange” hung over the White House like a sword of Damocles.
Few were interested in the motives for making this story public. As it turned out, there were two explanations, one that was made public, and one that only came out later. The public justification as outlined in the CNN piece, was to “make the President-elect aware that such allegations involving him [were] circulating among intelligence agencies.”
However, we know from Comey’s January 7, 2017 memo to deputy Andrew McCabe and FBI General Counsel James Baker there was another explanation. Comey wrote:
I said I wasn’t saying this was true, only that I wanted [Trump] to know both that it had been reported and that the reports were in many hands. I said media like CNN had them and were looking for a news hook. I said it was important that we not give them the excuse to write that the FBI has the material or [redacted] and that we were keeping it very close-hold.
Imagine if a similar situation had taken place in January of 2009, involving president-elect Barack Obama. Picture a meeting between Obama and the heads of the CIA, NSA, and FBI, along with the DIA, in which the newly-elected president is presented with a report complied by, say, Judicial Watch, accusing him of links to al-Qaeda. Imagine further that they tell Obama they are presenting him with this information to make him aware of a blackmail threat, and to reassure him they won’t give news agencies a “hook” to publish the news.
Now imagine if that news came out on Fox days later. Imagine further that within a year, one of the four officials became a paid Fox contributor. Democrats would lose their minds in this set of circumstances.
The country mostly did not lose its mind, however, because the episode did not involve a traditionally presidential figure like Obama, nor was it understood to have been directed at the institution of “the White House” in the abstract.
Instead, it was a story about an infamously corrupt individual, Donald Trump, a pussy-grabbing scammer who bragged about using bankruptcy to escape debt and publicly praised Vladimir Putin. Audiences believed the allegations against this person and saw the intelligence/counterintelligence community as acting patriotically, doing their best to keep us informed about a still-breaking investigation of a rogue president.
But a parallel story was ignored. Leaks from the intelligence community most often pertain to foreign policy. The leak of the January, 2017 “meeting” between the four chiefs and Trump – which without question damaged both the presidency and America’s standing abroad – was an unprecedented act of insubordination.
It was also a bold new foray into domestic politics by intelligence agencies that in recent decades began asserting all sorts of frightening new authority. They were kidnapping foreigners, assassinating by drone, conducting paramilitary operations without congressional notice, building an international archipelago of secret prisons, and engaging in mass warrantless surveillance of Americans. We found out in a court case just last week how extensive the illegal domestic surveillance has been, with the FBI engaging in tens of thousands of warrantless searches involving American emails and phone numbers under the guise of combating foreign subversion.
The agencies’ new trick is inserting themselves into domestic politics using leaks and media pressure. The “intel chiefs” meeting was just the first in a series of similar stories, many following the pattern in which a document was created, passed from department from department, and leaked. A sample:
  • February 14, 2017: “four current and former officials” tell the New York Timesthe Trump campaign had “repeated contacts” with Russian intelligence.
  • March 1, 2017: “Justice Department officials” tell the Washington Post Attorney General Jeff Sessions “spoke twice with Russia’s ambassador” and did not disclose the contacts ahead of his confirmation hearing.
  • March 18, 2017: “people familiar with the matter” tell the Wall Street Journalthat former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn failed to disclose a “contact” with a Russian at Cambridge University, an episode that “came to the notice of U.S. intelligence.”
  • April 8, 2017, 2017: “law enforcement and other U.S. officials” tell the Washington Post the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge had ruled there was “probable cause” to believe former Trump aide Carter Page was an “agent of a foreign power.”
  • April 13, 2017: a “source close to UK intelligence” tells Luke Harding at The Guardian that the British analog to the NSA, the GCHQ, passed knowledge of “suspicious interactions” between “figures connected to Trump and “known or suspected Russian agents” to Americans as part of a “routine exchange of information.”
  • December 17, 2017: “four current and former American and foreign officials” tell the New York Times that during the 2016 campaign, an Australian diplomat named Alexander Downer told “American counterparts” that former Trump aide George Papadopoulos revealed “Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.
  • April 13, 2018: “two sources familiar with the matter” tell McClatchy that Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office has evidence Trump lawyer Michael Cohen was in Prague in 2016, “confirming part of [Steele] dossier.”
  • November 27, 2018: a “well-placed source” tells Harding at The Guardian that former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort met with Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
  • January 19, 2019: “former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation” tell the New York Times the FBI opened an inquiry into the “explosive implications” of whether or not Donald Trump was working on behalf of the Russians.
To be sure, “people familiar with the matter” leaked a lot of true stories in the last few years, but many were clearly problematic even at the time of release. Moreover, all took place in the context of constant, hounding pressure from media figures, congressional allies like Democrats Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell, as well as ex-officials who could make use of their own personal public platforms in addition to being unnamed sources in straight news reports. They used commercial news platforms to argue that Trump had committed treason, needed to be removed from office, and preferably also indicted as soon as possible.
A shocking number of these voices were former intelligence officers who joined Clapper in becoming paid news contributors. Op-ed pages and news networks are packed now with ex-spooks editorializing about stories in which they had personal involvement: Michael Morell, Michael Hayden, Asha Rangappa, and Andrew McCabeamong many others, including especially all four of the original “intel chiefs”: Clapper, Rogers, Comey, and MSNBC headliner John Brennan.
Russiagate birthed a whole brand of politics, a government-in-exile, which prosecuted its case against Trump via a constant stream of “approved” leaks, partisans in congress, and an increasingly unified and thematically consistent set of commercial news outlets.
These mechanisms have been transplanted now onto the Ukrainegate drama. It’s the same people beating the public drums, with the messaging run out of the same congressional committees, through the same Nadlers, Schiffs, and Swalwells. The same news outlets are on full alert.
The sidelined “intel chiefs” are once again playing central roles in making the public case. Comey says “we may now be at a point” where impeachment is necessary. Brennan, with unintentional irony, says the United States is “no longer a democracy.” Clapper says the Ukraine whistleblower complaint is “one of the most credible” he’s seen.
As a reporter covering the 2015–2016 presidential race, I thought Trump’s campaign was disturbing on many levels, but logical as a news story. He succeeded for class reasons, because of flaws in the media business that gifted him mass amounts of coverage, and because he took cunning advantage of long-simmering frustrations in the electorate. He also clearly catered to racist fears, and to the collapse in trust in institutions like the news media, the Fed, corporations, NATO, and, yes, the intelligence services. In enormous numbers, voters rejected everything they had ever been told about who was and was not qualified for higher office.
Trump’s campaign antagonism toward the military and intelligence world was at best a millimeter thick. Like almost everything else he said as a candidate, it was a gimmick, designed to get votes. That he was insincere and full of it and irresponsible, at first at least, when he attacked the “deep state” and the “fake news media,” doesn’t change the reality of what’s happened since. Even paranoiacs have enemies, and even Donald “Deep State” Trump is a legitimately elected president whose ouster is being actively sought by the intelligence community.
Trump stands accused of using the office of the presidency to advance political aims, in particular pressuring Ukraine to investigate potential campaign rival Joe Biden. He’s guilty, but the issue is how guilty, in comparison to his accusers.
Trump, at least insofar as we know, has not used section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to monitor political rivals. He hasn’t deployed human counterintelligence “informants” to follow the likes of Hunter Biden. He hasn’t maneuvered to secure Special Counsel probes of Democrats.
And while Donald Trump conducting foreign policy based on what he sees on Fox and Friends is troubling, it’s not in the same ballpark as CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post and the New York Times engaging in de facto coverage partnerships with the FBI and CIA to push highly politicized, phony narratives like Russiagate.
Trump’s tinpot Twitter threats and cancellation of White House privileges for dolts like Jim Acosta also don’t begin to compare to the danger posed by Facebook, Google, and Twitter – under pressure from the Senate – organizing with groups like the Atlantic Council to fight “fake news” in the name of preventing the “foment of discord.”
I don’t believe most Americans have thought through what a successful campaign to oust Donald Trump would look like. Most casual news consumers can only think of it in terms of Mike Pence becoming president. The real problem would be the precedent of a de facto intelligence community veto over elections, using the lunatic spookworld brand of politics that has dominated the last three years of anti-Trump agitation.
CIA/FBI-backed impeachment could also be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Donald Trump thinks he’s going to be jailed upon leaving office, he’ll sooner or later figure out that his only real move is to start acting like the “dictator” MSNBC and CNN keep insisting he is. Why give up the White House and wait to be arrested, when he still has theoretical authority to send Special Forces troops rappelling through the windows of every last Russiagate/Ukrainegate leaker? That would be the endgame in a third world country, and it’s where we’re headed, unless someone calls off this craziness. Welcome to the Permanent Power Struggle.
 
We’re living in the dumbest timeline, not a coup. The left is focused on censorship and catering to lazy minorities who think they’re disenfranchised and not issues that impact everyone. Trump is an idiot with idiot voters who stick by him because he’s an asshole and actively trying to o resolve issues Democrat’s don’t want to.

It’s just all around fucking dumb. A moderate liberal has zero chance.
 
I’m going to be really honest with you guys right now: I’m ready for the Trump presidency to be over with.

I’m tired of our president being a walking, talking physical embodiment of a shitpost.

I’m tired of the Republican Party tongue washing the shit from his turd cutter every chance they get.

I’m tired of the exceptional behavior coming from the Democratic Party, both from the leadership and the screaming ninny fags at the far end of the party who want to tax cow farts and give billions to dindus for reparations.

I’m tired of the media outlets either outright lying and covering for Trump, or actively reporting on things in a manner to stoke outrage and fear where it’s not applicable, on both sides of the political aisle.

I’m tired of the state of politics in this country and how far down into the shit trough it’s gotten. I’m tired of our politicians not working together for the betterment of the country and all the people in it rather than for their own and their party’s self interests.

I’m not saying that the Trump administration is the direct cause of the state of politics in this country, but it certainly hasn’t improved it any between his behavior and the behavior of anyone who either supports or opposes him.

And the worst part is that I don’t know how we’d even fix it at this point, short of a complete dismantling and rebuilding of our political system, and we all know that would suck.

Sorry for the rant, I’m just sort of feeling dejected with everything that’s going on with our country right now. I don’t think anyone in either party is actively trying to break our country down and ruin us, but no one seems to be doing any good for it either.

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Imagine being this tired of winning. We'll never get another president like Trump, and in that sense how could anyone want him to go? This is a golden oppertunity for both sides to make yuge deals. We could have gotten DACA for permanent immigration reform, but nope gotta have open borders no matter what Americans want. We should be celebrating Trump's focus on Asia and tough stance on China, but no there's money to be made at the CCP's trough.

Really I think the only thing I'm tired of is this "managed decline" "defeat with dignity" loser attitude.
 
Here it is again: The author is granting that Trump's sole motivation was to get something on Biden therefore he is guilty. There is no evidence of Trump's motivations. From the transcript info Trump wanted Biden's claims and the conjecture of people and news sources investigated. Trump's stated purpose to drain the swamp indicates a motive counter to digging up dirt.

The writing is full of such wording. Very odd. I had never heard of that site.

The Democrats are pants-on-head retarded for running this strategy. For a lot of down-and-out Americans, this sounds like a rich kid getting a free pass for doing shady shit, because his daddy is running for President. How the fuck is this not in the interest of the American people?

I was a complete Never Trumper in 2016. I thought he was going to bumble his way to a huge Democratic backlash in 2020. But in Clown World, the only people more incompetent than the president with zero political experience is the Democrats with decades of political experience.
 
I’m going to be really honest with you guys right now: I’m ready for the Trump presidency to be over with.

I’m tired of our president being a walking, talking physical embodiment of a shitpost.

I’m tired of the Republican Party tongue washing the shit from his turd cutter every chance they get.

I’m tired of the exceptional behavior coming from the Democratic Party, both from the leadership and the screaming ninny fags at the far end of the party who want to tax cow farts and give billions to dindus for reparations.

I’m tired of the media outlets either outright lying and covering for Trump, or actively reporting on things in a manner to stoke outrage and fear where it’s not applicable, on both sides of the political aisle.

I’m tired of the state of politics in this country and how far down into the shit trough it’s gotten. I’m tired of our politicians not working together for the betterment of the country and all the people in it rather than for their own and their party’s self interests.

I’m not saying that the Trump administration is the direct cause of the state of politics in this country, but it certainly hasn’t improved it any between his behavior and the behavior of anyone who either supports or opposes him.

And the worst part is that I don’t know how we’d even fix it at this point, short of a complete dismantling and rebuilding of our political system, and we all know that would suck.

Sorry for the rant, I’m just sort of feeling dejected with everything that’s going on with our country right now. I don’t think anyone in either party is actively trying to break our country down and ruin us, but no one seems to be doing any good for it either.

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"Replace the anti-war populist with generic neocons, that'll stop the madness"

Dunno, I'm convinced that the American system is rotten to the core based on the fact that its based on the Roman system... that was rotten to the core.

You basically have mob politics and cultures of patronage developing in both parties. Citizens are losing faith in the system and are coming to believe that they need great men to save the day, CHANGE, MAGA, etc. They'll cheer for the success if this person rather than the solving of the issues they represent to change. Bureaucracy is strangling progress and harassing people trying to just live their lives so people develop loyalty to people who can get things done.

America has too many checks and balances and so can't reign in stuff like deep state politics. The Augustus for the Romans allied himself with the deep state and just reigned in their worst excesses and gave some help to the poor. He didn't solve the problems. Trump is the same. He has allied himself with the deep state in exchange for not having more wars.

A few more centuries and the USA will be just like Latin America. Not because of race but because of centuries of conditioning to be corrupt and follow champions rather than foster functioning systems.
 
I'm not much of a Trump fan but I can instantly believe our intel agencies are slimy fuckers looking to use him as an excuse to seize power. Hell, TDS altogether may actually be a gay op by the alphabet agencies designed specifically for this purpose. These people should never be trusted and they will embezzle at the drop of a paperclip.

Never trust the CIA. They will fuck you over, piss on your grave and call it Patriotism.

I also found the points in the article about how key intelligence analysts have since moved into the news industry extremely significant. No wonder the news is so fucking shitty and designed to appeal to paranoid motherfuckers lately.
 
The Democrats are pants-on-head exceptional for running this strategy. For a lot of down-and-out Americans, this sounds like a rich kid getting a free pass for doing shady shit, because his daddy is running for President. How the fuck is this not in the interest of the American people?

I was a complete Never Trumper in 2016. I thought he was going to bumble his way to a huge Democratic backlash in 2020. But in Clown World, the only people more incompetent than the president with zero political experience is the Democrats with decades of political experience.
Heck, even those of us who voted Trump in 2016 were less 'for Trump' and more 'against Hillary, plus lulz if he wins'.

And then he won and we ALL looked at each other and quoted Dr. Sam Beckett when he went a-Quantum Leaping: 'Oh boy.'

Honestly, the best part has been watching the masks fall off, one after another.
 
I also found the points in the article about how key intelligence analysts have since moved into the news industry extremely significant. No wonder the news is so fucking shitty and designed to appeal to paranoid motherfuckers lately.

Yeah i didnt realize how many jumped in
 
Imagine being this tired of winning. We'll never get another president like Trump, and in that sense how could anyone want him to go? This is a golden oppertunity for both sides to make yuge deals. We could have gotten DACA for permanent immigration reform, but nope gotta have open borders no matter what Americans want. We should be celebrating Trump's focus on Asia and tough stance on China, but no there's money to be made at the CCP's trough.

Really I think the only thing I'm tired of is this "managed decline" "defeat with dignity" loser attitude.
What’s been won? Where’s the wining because I got hit with a $6k tax bill this year.
 
The "Trump will refuse to leave office and the military will back him" scarepieces are starting pretty early in his 2nd term, aren't they?

If it was anyone else but Taibbi, I would say so. But Taibbi is one of the few sane folk on the left and this is more, Taibbi screaming at liberals that they need to fuck off because they are basically creating a fait accompli endgame with Trump with regards to their attempt at an illegal coup against them bringing about the very nightmare scenario they have been screeching about in terms of Trump being the Anti-Christ by way of pushing Trump into a corner where the only way he can defend himself is to become the monster they have been falsely accusing him of being.
 
If it was anyone else but Taibbi, I would say so. But Taibbi is one of the few sane folk on the left and this is more, Taibbi screaming at liberals that they need to fuck off because they are basically creating a fait accompli endgame with Trump with regards to their attempt at an illegal coup against them bringing about the very nightmare scenario they have been screeching about in terms of Trump being the Anti-Christ by way of pushing Trump into a corner where the only way he can defend himself is to become the monster they have been falsely accusing him of being.
Yeah that's the impression that I get. I suspect most people ITT didn't read the article. In any case, the dude is absolutely right. The administration divided against itself with the populace in a similar state is how democracies end.
 
Yeah that's the impression that I get. I suspect most people ITT didn't read the article. In any case, the dude is absolutely right. The administration divided against itself with the populace in a similar state is how democracies end.
Also

Lets imagine Trump wins in 2020, and the Dems win in 2024

Dems are going to expect a military coup because of what they did in the CIA. Also what if republican bros in the CIA want to avenge trump? Or to punish those dems who did this?

Thats alaways going to be in their minds unless it is stopped hard and stopped now
 
This is from Matt Taibbi, who never made a secret of hating Trump.

Oversimplifying things: Taibbi doesn't like Trump but he finds the TDS sufferers on the left to be the greater threat, to the point that he's currently writing a book that is entirely about exposing Russiagate as the attempted coup it is as far as being the ONLY ONE with the balls to go balls deep in exposing the plot by the Democrats to frame Trump for treason and how it began.

And Taibbi's been all but outright excommunicated from the left wing media for openly calling the various schemes by the left as coups, especially after he announced his most recent book about TDS and the media (Hate Inc), which names names and basically denounces Rachel Maddow as the new Bill O'Reilly.
 
Here's a radical idea, focus your life, and your online presence to something that isn't news and politics. Does wonders for overall sanity and general well being.

Just a thought.


Once you do this you really start to notice how little most things matter and how the 24 hour news cycle and social media are two of the most sinister emotional/mental abusers of our present day. People get whipped up into a frenzy about every sensational headline of the day/week, only to forget it when the next thing comes along to get them upset and thinking the sky is falling, usually no more than a week or two later. There are endless examples, one of the more infamous ones would be Kony 2012. There were people filming themselves crying over that, getting all worked up; do you think they ever think of it now? How many other things do you think they've pointlessly given themselves misery and anxiety over since that time?

The more I stepped away from social media and religiously following the news the more I see that the people I know who still do this to that extent aren't living lives I want to emulate, and frankly, they're toxic and boring. They're just exhausting themselves and getting nowhere, like running on a treadmill.
 
Never trust the CIA. They will fuck you over, piss on your grave and call it Patriotism.

Presidents like JFK, Eisenhower and Nixon had to go to the offices of the heads of the FBI and CIA, not the other way around. They have always had a dangerous amount of power.
 
They really weren’t. Even just getting news about everything, everywhere, as it happens is more than humans were meant to deal with, let alone opinions and falsehoods served up in the same way. And for the general public, this happened in the span of about a decade.

Unfortunately, I think social media was kind of a Pandora’s Box that got opened. Even if we could get rid of it somehow, it would come right back in short order, because now that people have a taste of it, they aren't going to let it go.

Additionally, social media abhors neutrality. People who are neutral, noncomittal, or believe in trying to find a compromise don’t get anywhere near as many retweets, page views or followers as those who have more forceful and extreme views.

I think the vast majority of people are lurkers, but on social media lurkers have basically no power, so it amplifies the extremes until they appear to be the majority.
 
I’m going to be really honest with you guys right now: I’m ready for the Trump presidency to be over with.

I’m tired of our president being a walking, talking physical embodiment of a shitpost.

I’m tired of the Republican Party tongue washing the shit from his turd cutter every chance they get.

I’m tired of the exceptional behavior coming from the Democratic Party, both from the leadership and the screaming ninny fags at the far end of the party who want to tax cow farts and give billions to dindus for reparations.

I’m tired of the media outlets either outright lying and covering for Trump, or actively reporting on things in a manner to stoke outrage and fear where it’s not applicable, on both sides of the political aisle.

I’m tired of the state of politics in this country and how far down into the shit trough it’s gotten. I’m tired of our politicians not working together for the betterment of the country and all the people in it rather than for their own and their party’s self interests.

I’m not saying that the Trump administration is the direct cause of the state of politics in this country, but it certainly hasn’t improved it any between his behavior and the behavior of anyone who either supports or opposes him.

And the worst part is that I don’t know how we’d even fix it at this point, short of a complete dismantling and rebuilding of our political system, and we all know that would suck.

Sorry for the rant, I’m just sort of feeling dejected with everything that’s going on with our country right now. I don’t think anyone in either party is actively trying to break our country down and ruin us, but no one seems to be doing any good for it either.

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Sorry but there’s no turning back. Trump upset the apple cart. Not only do they want to make sure someone like Trump doesn’t want to run, they want to inflict as much pain on his voter base as possible. People don’t really have the luxury to ignore it without denying reality. Big brained centrism died in 2016 much like neoconservatism died in 2012 when Mittens snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
OK ... let's assume Trump gets kicked out of office - than what ?
So far the Democrats have several weak candidates, one candidate they refuse let play, and a whole field full of candidates that would be considered 'too radical' to have a chance of winning.

Lets see the list of the most likely to win Democrats right now ...
Hillary 2.0
Elizabeth Warren
Joe Biden

I've mentioned this multiple times on this forum:

Darkest timeline scenario: they find a way to impeach/force Pence before Trump to install Nancy Pelosi as VP before getting rid of Trump

Best Case Scenario for Democrats: they continue to arrest for treason Trump administration folk after impeaching Trump to put the fear in Pence and other GOPers to neutralize him from acting out in retaliation against the Democrats.

Worst Case Scenario for the Democrats: Trump exploits loophole to rerun for President in 2020 with the Democrats or Pence and the Religious Right goes Fred Waterford on everyone's ass and creates Gilead as payback.
 
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