Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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dick brain said:
Bit off topic but do you or anyone have martial arts recs for physically controlling/restraining someone who's trying to hurt you, without hurting them? Wrangling a retard, for instance.

I've heard that wrestling is the best martial art for not getting arrested, but I don't know how you get into that as an adult. I've also been eyeing BJJ for a long time. Is there anything else I'm unaware of?
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If controlling someone with as little harm as possible is your worry, try BJJ. It’s more than just chokes and locks, you actually need to really really control someone before you get to that point and you can just hold them down if need be. I’ve literally tripped a dude and held his wrists from mount until security showed up to solve the problem, and shock and awe I didn’t get bit or eye gouged.
I would go for BJJ over wrestling, obviously both are good but in my opinion BJJ gives you more options on the ground. And in reality, takedowns against untrained retards are easier than people make them out to be, you just need to get comfortable with them. And if you do go to a BJJ gym you’ll find some wrestlers happy to show you a thing or two, it’s really gotten huge as a sport lately so a lot of wrestlers transition over to BJJ.
 
We Are The Witches said:
For restraining someone like that, being more in shape and building more muscle could be the key, then you'd wear them down with your weight. It depends to what length you want to go.

This is a semi joke/not so joke, watch the famous Khabib Nurmagomedov vs Conor McGregor fight, the difference with your case is that this not being a regulated fight, they'll try what in these fights would be considered "illegal moves" (like eye gouging), so you'd have to consider that, but the procedure will be to wear them down, and eventually secure a place where your weight can do most of the work (without getting blasted).
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I'm strong as fuck, it's moreso trying to figure out how to get him to the ground without dislocating anything or cracking his head on anything, while also trying to avoid getting clawed and headbutted.

VeteranOfTheRetardWars said:
If controlling someone with as little harm as possible is your worry, try BJJ. It’s more than just chokes and locks, you actually need to really really control someone before you get to that point and you can just hold them down if need be. I’ve literally tripped a dude and held his wrists from mount until security showed up to solve the problem, and shock and awe I didn’t get bit or eye gouged.
I would go for BJJ over wrestling, obviously both are good but in my opinion BJJ gives you more options on the ground. And in reality, takedowns against untrained retards are easier than people make them out to be, you just need to get comfortable with them. And if you do go to a BJJ gym you’ll find some wrestlers happy to show you a thing or two, it’s really gotten huge as a sport lately so a lot of wrestlers transition over to BJJ.
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Thanks, that's a good enough excuse for me to start.
 
dick brain said:
while also trying to avoid getting clawed and headbutted
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Wear armor. The only reason (any style) martial artists/fighters don't get nasty flesh injuries is because it's illegal in sports. Also add getting bitten into that short list.

The unfortunate reality is that once you get tangled up with someone, you're essentially reliant on them having enough honor to not go full animal or psychologically defeating them that they don't even try. If you've seen enough brawls, you'll know that won't always be the case.
 
JoseRaulChupacabra said:
Wear armor. The only reason (any style) martial artists/fighters don't get nasty flesh injuries is because it's illegal in sports. Also add getting bitten into that short list.

The unfortunate reality is that once you get tangled up with someone, you're essentially reliant on them having enough honor to not go full animal or psychologically defeating them that they don't even try. If you've seen enough brawls, you'll know that won't always be the case.
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True, but also it's just a good idea to know at least the basics of fighting. Like any other weapon, and yes the body is a weapon insofar as it can be used to cause damage to another, it's best to have it and know how to use it than suddenly need it and have nothing. How to throw a one-two, an easy hip toss, a good strangle, a good kick, knowing at least the basics is better than knowing nothing. And maybe it turns out you enjoy the exercise and have fun playing the game, and maybe the dudes at the gym are chill and hey you have a new hobby if you want.
And, honestly, unless you're training because your job involves you getting physical with people you're training because you like it. And it's fun, you really are just playing a game with your friends. I believe I have a better grasp of this game than you do, you believe you have a better grasp than I do, let's square up and play and have a good ol' time.
Knowing how to fight someone is valuable, but really it's an anomaly that you'll have to fight someone if you get what I mean.
 
VeteranOfTheRetardWars said:
True, but also it's just a good idea to know at least the basics of fighting. Like any other weapon, and yes the body is a weapon insofar as it can be used to cause damage to another, it's best to have it and know how to use it than suddenly need it and have nothing. How to throw a one-two, an easy hip toss, a good strangle, a good kick, knowing at least the basics is better than knowing nothing. And maybe it turns out you enjoy the exercise and have fun playing the game, and maybe the dudes at the gym are chill and hey you have a new hobby if you want.
And, honestly, unless you're training because your job involves you getting physical with people you're training because you like it. And it's fun, you really are just playing a game with your friends. I believe I have a better grasp of this game than you do, you believe you have a better grasp than I do, let's square up and play and have a good ol' time.
Knowing how to fight someone is valuable, but really it's an anomaly that you'll have to fight someone if you get what I mean.
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I totally agree. It also provides a good community as long as you can avoid the crazy ones.

I meant to address the specific concerns regarding more feral methods of fighting.
 
While we're still a lifting thread, I have dialed in my routine and am getting good results.
Basically, I do Limbs (arms and legs) on Saturday and Torso (chest and back) on Tuesday. Monday, Wednesday, and Friday I do light high-repetition conditioning exercises. Rest on Sunday.
The Torso and Limbs day are classic bodybuilding and they fall on days I don't grapple. I just track my last working set for double progression because I do a rep ranges of 8-16 and 10-20 depending on the lift so at least a rep a week is easy, and it's the progression I've used for so long I can just do it. It's enough to spark hypertrophy as it's coupled with a sport that is already good for hypertrophy, so I'm still progressing just fine in my lifts and look pretty good.
Conditioning is sport-specific training, and they fall on my grappling days. I have my schedule on LOCK over here. I just do a warm-up workout and clean up before going to class. I play around with heavy clubs, gada, and kettlebells with higher reps like 20-50. They're fun to challenge yourself with and are also really good for mobility, stabilization, recovery, and building a unique type of strength that comes from swings that is just OP for grapplers. I stick to higher rep ranger here, as though low reps and build freaky power if done right my deal revolves around longer periods of sustained power output, which is where high rep ranges come into play.
With bodybuilding and doing other pursuits, you need to understand how one affects the other. If you don't you try doing two separate programs at once and not getting results, but if you do you can actually make great progress in both areas because they can help the other.
 
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I work out first thing in the morning and have upped my routine recently and it seems like I suddenly need a two day break between workouts.

It’s not DOMS but I’ll just feel too weary to head the after my usual 24 hour rest day.

Am I just getting old or is this normal? I miss being young.
 
dick brain said:
I'm strong as fuck, it's moreso trying to figure out how to get him to the ground without dislocating anything or cracking his head on anything, while also trying to avoid getting clawed and headbutted.
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You ever though of finishing a course for a security guard? Easy job, stable pay and you'd be sought after.
Not bouncing, but like perimiter security etc
 
deermeat said:
the fact I have LeanBeefPatty's body type but can never get her physique unless I do steriods makes me want to KILL MYSELFFFF
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If you are telling the truth then this statement is objectively NOT true. Does she use steroids?
There are legal, non addictive natural supplements which help with NA/MG and blood circulation which gets you 1.5x the gains without steroids.
 
FedPostalService said:
Took two weeks off working out catching up with friends and family which turned into none stop boozing and eatening.

First day back at the gym and dreaded it. I’m at least a plate up on everything and the strongest I’ve been in years.

Now thinking how much stronger I’ll be if I hit the booze and kebabs for six months without working out!
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Taking 2 weeks off is basically a deload. It allows you to fully recover from your usual routine
 
deermeat said:
the fact I have LeanBeefPatty's body type but can never get her physique unless I do steriods makes me want to KILL MYSELFFFF

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Mainly her arms, man. I will never look like this unless I do fucking steroids. Meanwhile men can get these types of arms naturally, damn. Ropefuel.
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What are you talking about? LeanbeefPatty's physique is naturally achievable
But why do you want to look like that? You are trying to mimic the male form
What are you a tranny?
 
Something I've been working into my programming that's paid dividends on my squat, deadlift, and OHP is picking up something heavy and carrying it around at the end of a workout. It doesn't even have to be an object you hold in your hands/arms, it can be something resting on you like a yoke. I do it for time, and the next time I use whatever implement I'm using, I'll add a minute. For example, today I loaded up a trap bar with 250 lbs and walked around with it for 10 minutes total. I didn't use straps for the first 6 minutes (trying to increase my time there too). I've done similar with heavy sandbags, farmer's carry handles, a barbell held about waist high in front of me, a medicine ball, etc.

Try it and see what you think.
 
I'm starting to feel more exhausted from doing normal weights and crunches. I want to chalk it upto summer temperature and humidity but I'm worried that my heart or lungs are giving out or something. Any way to know for real?
 
I started doing pulling exercises and I never feel my lats work. I try to tense them in the sense that I mentally signal to what I believe are my lats to get to work, but there’s no feedback. I still feel them the day after, so I’m sure they’re doing something. Will I eventually gain sensation in them?

I’m a manual labourer, no specifics. I notice my movements are very push-heavy and I do lift things up often. I don’t want to omit my upper back because I feel it might help indirectly, despite my lower back being used almost exclusively.
 
Sheikh said:
I started doing pulling exercises and I never feel my lats work. I try to tense them in the sense that I mentally signal to what I believe are my lats to get to work, but there’s no feedback. I still feel them the day after, so I’m sure they’re doing something. Will I eventually gain sensation in them?

I’m a manual labourer, no specifics. I notice my movements are very push-heavy and I do lift things up often. I don’t want to omit my upper back because I feel it might help indirectly, despite my lower back being used almost exclusively.
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Doing pull exercises with straps so you don't use your forearms can help you feel your lats more, but really "feeling" the muscle doesn't matter as much as influencers would like to make you believe.
 
dick brain said:
Everyone looks better fit.
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Muscles are sexually dimorphic
More muscle = More masculine in other words
Leanbeefpatty looks like shit unfrauded
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She does have a great ass though...
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If I was female I would only train glutes and upper legs.
Muscular arms and such just isnt attractive on females to (most) straight men.
Also body fat % is obviously important
Leanbeefpatty is too lean
Ideal female body fat % is probably 25% for most females
 
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