Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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Sitting around between exercises/sets seems nuts to me. If you're not completely out of breath find something else to exercise while a muscle group recovers. I guess max weight/rep snatches, or other total body exercises, could be an exception.
 
Are farmer's carries that one WEIRD trick that make personal trainers hate you? Because I've been doing them for like two weeks with slightly different sized kettlebells and I swear my muscular endurance is skyrocketing. The half hour of exercise that used to make me mostly tired is barely registering now.
Kettlebell swings are also great for that, especially if you structure the exercise as something like 'do as many sets as possible in 5 minutes'. You'll hate them at first and then they'll just fade into the background until you realize you're getting through the entire 5 minutes with the heaviest kettlebell available without really getting winded.

Advice on how you get better at dips
To add to what was said on the last page, the basic platform dip off the side of a chair/bench/couch/whatever can be done anywhere in under 5 minutes with zero setup or teardown so that's a great place to start. When it starts getting easy to do basic dips focus on going through the motion as slow as possible and as deep as possible and you can get more exertion out of it without adding any extra weight.

What the fuck do y'all do between sets
Rest for about 20-30 seconds while maybe responding to a text message (2-3 minutes for really heavy deads/squats) and do the next one as soon as I possibly feel like I can, then move on to some exercise that doesn't primarily focus on the muscle group the last one did so it has time to cool down.

Regarding audio, Mati works really well as background noise (maybe less so now that it's only once a week) but otherwise I just have a couple playlists for the various workouts I do that I know to a point where I can figure out how behind/ahead of schedule I am just by which song they're on. Other than that I've got both of the message apps I use routed to TTS so I don't have to glance at the phone every time something comes in to see if it's important or not.

tutorials/tips for, the barbell overhead press
Forward-backward balance with weights above me is my big weak point so I hate those too. Try doing them seated in a smith machine; you can guarantee correct form to not kill your back and focus entirely on going heavy without worries of hurting yourself.
 
Kettlebell swings are also great for that, especially if you structure the exercise as something like 'do as many sets as possible in 5 minutes'. You'll hate them at first and then they'll just fade into the background until you realize you're getting through the entire 5 minutes with the heaviest kettlebell available without really getting winded.
I usually go for 100 total swings, about half with a 55lb and half with a 44lb. No hard time limit but I try not to rest too much. I'm actually not sure why people think swings are so bad, I consider them the easiest kettlebell exercise that I do.
 
Swings are great. However, they seem to put a higher shear strain on my lower back than many other exercises. If I have even a hint of low-back discomfort I have learned that I need to stay far away from swings. Core strength will protect it only so much. Snatches and cleans apply a more compressive force to my spine, and my lower back is much more tolerant of that. Your mileage may vary.
 
3-5 minutes seems crazy to me. But then again, so does less than eight reps, so what do I know.
Sitting around between exercises/sets seems nuts to me.
From Andy Galpin:
Now at the onset, there’s this three to five concept that we talked about many times where this is really fairly true for speed, power or strength. Now I didn’t develop the three to five. It’s just an easy way to help you remember one concept that will run true across all these things. So three to five, it refers to three to five days per week.

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Pick three to five exercises and you’re gonna do three to five repetitions per set. You’ll do three to five sets and you’ll rest three to five minutes between each set. If you do that and you execute any of the exercises that you choose at a high intent, and that part is critical, you don’t get faster by moving kind of fast.

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You can’t improve power by moving like, eh, powerfully. You have to be trying regardless of whether you’re actually moving faster or not. Anytime you’re talking about speed or power, you’re by definition using sub-maximal weights. So you’re going to be able to lift it. That’s not the question. The question is how fast can you lift that? And so intention is incredibly important. So if you do that, the same for strength, by the way. So if you land on that, that allows you to run the gamut from as little as three days a week. You’re doing three exercises. You’re gonna do three sets of three, which is a very, very low volume. It’s a very low amount of days, easy to handle.

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All the way to five sets of five of five exercises, five days a week. So it’s, again, it’s just one sample. That’s something easy to remember and is quite effective for a very long time. And this has been tested quite extensively in both the coaching realms as well as the scientific realms to be quite productive and easy to follow and grasp. If you do that, all you need to do is slightly increase the load or the volume, but mostly the load over time. And the number we wanna look for there is something like a three to 5% increase per week.
You don’t really have to go that long. In fact, there was actually a study that came out in the last month that showed, you know, like really two minutes is probably sufficient for most people. Having said that, if you really are trying to push maximum strength adaptations, like three to five is very, very reasonable. Those training sessions are long, because you’re spending more time not doing anything than you are doing something, but you’re trying to maximize quality. So that’s just sort of like part and parcel. If you’re not super worried about it, you can actually do super setting, which is, let’s imagine again, you’re gonna do some lunges. And while your legs are resting, doing their three to five minutes, you can go over and do an upper body row or pull.

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And when your upper body’s resting, you’re going back to legs. So that really cuts your time in half. Is it ideal? No, we actually ran a study maybe 10 years ago in our lab, and we looked at that specifically. And we did see a reduction in strength performance in the super setting group, relative to the group who did not super set. The question then, it becomes like, is it enough for you to care? So if I were to say, hey, I can cut an hour off of your workout time, but you will lose 5% of your strength gain, almost everyone would take that exchange. With the exception of people who are getting close to competition, or really trying to set a new lifetime PR or something, then you might say, no, I don’t want any interference there. That last little margin is what I care about. Give me the extra rest. Great. So it’s not a, does it work? Does it not work? It’s always a, what are you willing to give up versus get?
I superset, fwiw. Anyway it works for me so I'm not stopping, I'm just asking about ways to fill the time.
 
Do you know any good app/AI for estimating calories burned during workouts? MyFitnessPal grossly overestimates numbers, while ChatGPT is all over the place with its estimations (I've seen it spitball numbers anywhere between 400 and 1100 calories for the same routine and intensity).
Are you trying to lose weight? I don't think your going to get extremely accurate reading on calories because so much involved, I've always been extremely conservative when I log it.
 
Are you trying to lose weight? I don't think your going to get extremely accurate reading on calories because so much involved, I've always been extremely conservative when I log it.
Against my better judgement, I'm doing weight loss at the same time as trying to build some muscle. My autism demands I figure out my calorie intake/outtake with precision to see what else I can min-max.
For that particular workout I've decided to log it at 400 calories burned.
  • Warm up - Dumbbell Curls (7.5 kg) – 2 x 20
  • Dumbbell Curls (12.5 kg) – 4 x 15
  • Dumbbell Rows (7.5 kg) – 3 x 30
  • Dumbbell Bench Press (7.5 kg) – 5 x 20
  • Dumbbell Lateral Raises (7.5 kg) – 3 x 15
  • Dumbbell chest flys (7.5 kg) - 5 x 20
  • Dumbbell skull crushers (7.5 kg) - 5 x 20
  • Dumbbell Pullovers (12.5 kg) – 5 x 20
I've shed almost 70 pounds in the last 10 months -most of it when I started to weight my food instead of estimating portion sizes. Now I'm losing ~10 pounds a month and looking for ways to maintain (if not accelerate) this rate as I'm in the final stretch towards my weight goal.
 
If it's working for you, then it's working for you. That already makes you better than most people who go on fitness journeys.
Now I'm losing ~10 pounds a month and looking for ways to maintain (if not accelerate) this rate as I'm in the final stretch towards my weight goal.
Generally speaking, as you get leaner, you can't avoid slow downs. If you really want to really go for it, you can try a protein sparing modified fast, which is just eating approximately 1g of protein per/lb of lean mass and avoiding carbs and fat (or at least keeping it to a minimum). IIRC, they recommend doing this for about a month and a half, and then taking a diet break, as it's very restrictive and can lead to nutrient deficiencies.
 
Hit 355x6, which is a slight bump in my 6 rep pr. I thought I had counted 7 but recounted on the video. I could have hit 7 so mildly annoyed. I Also hit the rack with the plates while walking it back in, making the plates swing back out and around. Always fun. Wouldnt have been a big deal if I hadnt gone basically all out on the set but still managed to steady it and walk it back in.
I've been eating and drinking like shit so glad to see numbers are still going up. I'm giving myself alot of time to recover so I've been feeling pretty good lately. Still want to find a way to not need so much time after heavy squat days. Always get a bunch of random pains near my foot and reaching up the sides of my legs.
 
Against my better judgement, I'm doing weight loss at the same time as trying to build some muscle. My autism demands I figure out my calorie intake/outtake with precision to see what else I can min-max.
For that particular workout I've decided to log it at 400 calories burned.
I gotcha, i'm in the same boat, I was always told not to count my exercise calories, because of how hard they are to get accurate reading. I'm also curious why only dumbbells. I use alot barbells, is their a better benefit with dumbbells? I also been thinking of switching to kettlebells, after watching action bronson and Joe do kettle bell work outs.
 
I'm also curious why only dumbbells.
I'm currently doing my workouts at home, though I'll probably have to bite the bullet and join a gym soon. I don't even have the room for a bench, let alone a barbell. For bench presses, I lean over the edge of the bed, head propped on the big dumbbell, and do presses with the smaller ones.

I own 3 dumbbelles, a 7 kg kettlebell, and a stationary bike that I use in-between strength days.
I was always told not to count my exercise calories, because of how hard they are to get accurate reading.
Ideally, I wouldn't either, but I feel like restricting my diet any further will screw too much with my already depleted energy levels, so I just cut my losses and try to estimate calories burned as accurate as I can.
 
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Hit 355x6, which is a slight bump in my 6 rep pr. I thought I had counted 7 but recounted on the video. I could have hit 7 so mildly annoyed. I Also hit the rack with the plates while walking it back in, making the plates swing back out and around. Always fun. Wouldnt have been a big deal if I hadnt gone basically all out on the set but still managed to steady it and walk it back in.
I've been eating and drinking like shit so glad to see numbers are still going up. I'm giving myself alot of time to recover so I've been feeling pretty good lately. Still want to find a way to not need so much time after heavy squat days. Always get a bunch of random pains near my foot and reaching up the sides of my legs.
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Ok Ronnie.
 
So i noticed i got purple strech marks on my left bicep and they aint left still despite everything else being normal
Idk how to get rid of em
I just keep doing exercises regardless
Anyways also how to deal with back acne and chest one, i know partially diet plays into it but god its annoying
I got some baby powder and like got myswlf those more expensive shampoos (conditioner i think name is)
 
So i noticed i got purple strech marks on my left bicep and they aint left still despite everything else being normal
Idk how to get rid of em
I just keep doing exercises regardless
Anyways also how to deal with back acne and chest one, i know partially diet plays into it but god its annoying
I got some baby powder and like got myswlf those more expensive shampoos (conditioner i think name is)
If its specifically chest and back, putting on a fresh shirt right before bed can make a big difference.
Unless you have, like, severe OCD and wash your sheets everyday, then you're sleeping with chest/back directly against fabric you've spent days/weeks/months secreting sweat and oil into.
 
I'm currently doing my workouts at home, though I'll probably have to bite the bullet and join a gym soon. I don't even have the room for a bench, let alone a barbell. For bench presses, I lean over the edge of the bed, head propped on the big dumbbell, and do presses with the smaller ones.

I own 3 dumbbelles, a 7 kg kettlebell, and a stationary bike that I use in-between strength days.

Ideally, I wouldn't either, but I feel like restricting my diet any further will screw too much with my already depleted energy levels, so I just cut my losses and try to estimate calories burned as accurate as I can.
I gotcha, I just thinking there was something to dumbbells I was missing. Also has for gym, I decided it probably be cheapest option to gain access to all equipment I wanted, my local gym is pretty cheap, 30$ a month, and they are constantly adding new things, like rogue arms, etc.. depending on your area I'd encourage joining a gym. Also stationary bike, is it worth it? I was looking at rogues one, but I don't know if cardio well kill gainz
 
Howdy kiwichuds, I have a few questions:

1: When do you guys recommend I go to the gym? I was working night shift (11 - 7) and I went to the gym around 0830/9 to about 945/1000 which was good until night shift beat me down and I felt constantly tired. I now work a 0630-1430 shift so I'm thinking of going 0400-0545 in order to get enough time to shower and go to work, and I can avoid being beat down by a bad day and not going.

2: I might start my cut in mid-April; I skipped alot of gym time (7 weeks out of 24) so I didn't increase my numbers as much as I want; nevertheless I'm 5'10 and 200lbs and I feel fucking putrid so I want to try and drop down to 175 in 6 months if possible; is there anything I should know with calorie deficits specifically? I'm not sure how much protein I should get compared to current intake levels; should I still aim for 0.8/1g per pound? Will I still lose muscle due to the cut, regardless of protein intake/exercise, and would I atleast be able to eek out 20lbs worth of weight increase (during 6 months of cutting) for something like bench press, or will I be so unenergized/weak during this I should just strive to maintain my numbers?
 
Howdy kiwichuds, I have a few questions:

1: When do you guys recommend I go to the gym? I was working night shift (11 - 7) and I went to the gym around 0830/9 to about 945/1000 which was good until night shift beat me down and I felt constantly tired. I now work a 0630-1430 shift so I'm thinking of going 0400-0545 in order to get enough time to shower and go to work, and I can avoid being beat down by a bad day and not going.

2: I might start my cut in mid-April; I skipped alot of gym time (7 weeks out of 24) so I didn't increase my numbers as much as I want; nevertheless I'm 5'10 and 200lbs and I feel fucking putrid so I want to try and drop down to 175 in 6 months if possible; is there anything I should know with calorie deficits specifically? I'm not sure how much protein I should get compared to current intake levels; should I still aim for 0.8/1g per pound? Will I still lose muscle due to the cut, regardless of protein intake/exercise, and would I atleast be able to eek out 20lbs worth of weight increase (during 6 months of cutting) for something like bench press, or will I be so unenergized/weak during this I should just strive to maintain my numbers?

1) is mostly personal preference. For me, that's the perfect schedule to go after work, and I'd rather shoot myself than go to the gym at 0400. But do what works for you

2) Yes, you still want to keep to protein high to help preserve muscle. 1g/lb is probably a little more than you need, but that's generally what I aim for in a cut. But 6 months is a really long time. If I were you, I'd stick with 8-12 week cuts. You can reasonably lose 10-15℅ of your bodyweight during that time period, assuming you're not a much leaner 200 than your post makes it sound like. That'll put you at 170-180, with your goal of 175 right in the middle.

15 lbs, 3500 calories in a pound of fat, means you need to cut 52500 calories. On an 8 week cut, that's 6562 calories/WK, or 937/day. On 12 weeks, its 4375/wk, or 625/day.

Unless you're doing keto, drop fat to 60 g/day, with a focus on essential fatty acids. That's enough to support health and hormone production.

60 grams of fat and 200 grams of protein is 1330 calories. Fill in the rest of your budget with carbs. Try to focus on more satiating carbs, with lots of fiber, that digest slowly. Fruits, vegetables, grains. Try to minimize refined sugar. Never drink carbs. Focus on low intensity cardio, like walking. Its easy to recover from, and isn't going to make you start breaking down muscle. Ideally, you can incorporate a ton of 5-10 minute walks throughout your day that you can do without even thinking about it. Remember to adjust your macros and calorie budget every 5 lbs or so

How much muscle you'll lose depends on what shape you're in. It sounds like you're really fresh to this, still, so if you manage to get good sleep, you might be able to progress in a deficit. But there's also a good chance that during the cut, your numbers will go down. Even if you're not losing muscle, just being hungry means you won't be able to lift at 100℅. Once you finish the cut, and get some food in you, your numbers should shoot back up within a week or two, so try not to stress about it too much
 
So i noticed i got purple strech marks on my left bicep and they aint left still despite everything else being normal
They're semipermanent; a sign you put on a bunch of muscle a little too fast. I've got them on both shoulders, they do fade down to barely visible after a while. The secret to dealing with them is not giving a shit about them because it means what you're doing is working.

Also stationary bike, is it worth it? I was looking at rogues one, but I don't know if cardio well kill gainz
It will slightly but in exchange you'll get ridiculous whole-body endurance if you make it a regular thing for a long enough period. Get something without fancy bells and whistles that you can somehow situate a monitor in front of and play videogames or shitpost.

is there anything I should know with calorie deficits specifically
Go feed whatever you're going to eat daily into https://happyforks.com/. It doesn't need an account, it's entirely tied to your browser storage. It'll tell you where your nutritional deficeits are in autistic detail, which is where you can really get screwed energy-wise if you're not paying attention. When I do it I just eat about the same ratios I usually eat (still protein-heavy) just less volume. It kinda sucks but you get used to it after a week or so.

Personally I haven't had any real loss during cuts, but progression does slow down. In my experience the big thing that causes loss way faster than anything else, cut or not, is lack of sleep.
 
2) Yes, you still want to keep to protein high to help preserve muscle. 1g/lb is probably a little more than you need, but that's generally what I aim for in a cut. But 6 months is a really long time. If I were you, I'd stick with 8-12 week cuts. You can reasonably lose 10-15℅ of your bodyweight during that time period, assuming you're not a much leaner 200 than your post makes it sound like. That'll put you at 170-180, with your goal of 175 right in the middle.

15 lbs, 3500 calories in a pound of fat, means you need to cut 52500 calories. On an 8 week cut, that's 6562 calories/WK, or 937/day. On 12 weeks, its 4375/wk, or 625/day.
Honestly 800 calories/200g of protein doesn't sound terrible, I think my TDEE is like 2300-2500 (according to my Garmint Fitness watch thats screaming at me for having a 100 BPM resting heartrate) or something. I'm just a goyslop addicted chud that struggles with cooking. (I always fuck something up) Guess its back to the classic chicken and rice.

I figured I would be able to do 1lb of weight loss a week, if 2lbs a week is achievable then I'd definitely do it, then; I'd love to lose weight faster. My original goal was 1500 calories so I guess I'd have found myself dropping down to 170lbs as fast as you're saying it was, I just didn't do the math correctly since I didn't know my TDEE, just my resting rate. This excites me, I was trying to do 2 six-month bulks and 2 six-month cuts, but if I can squeeze 3 bulks in I wonder what I'd look like by Oct 2026, then.
 
Honestly 800 calories/200g of protein doesn't sound terrible, I think my TDEE is like 2300-2500 (according to my Garmint Fitness watch thats screaming at me for having a 100 BPM resting heartrate) or something. I'm just a goyslop addicted chud that struggles with cooking. (I always fuck something up) Guess its back to the classic chicken and rice.

I figured I would be able to do 1lb of weight loss a week, if 2lbs a week is achievable then I'd definitely do it, then; I'd love to lose weight faster. My original goal was 1500 calories so I guess I'd have found myself dropping down to 170lbs as fast as you're saying it was, I just didn't do the math correctly since I didn't know my TDEE, just my resting rate. This excites me, I was trying to do 2 six-month bulks and 2 six-month cuts, but if I can squeeze 3 bulks in I wonder what I'd look like by Oct 2026, then.
Honestly, if you're able to add in a few extra walks, getting down to 175 lbs in 3 months is pretty realistic on 2000+ calories/day. You might need to bring food down a little more to keep things rolling the last few weeks, but until then it shouldn't be that hard, as long as you're smart about it

I'm always a fan of doing a little more low intensity cardio and getting a little bit more food on a cut. At least for me, it feels psychologically easier. And it's easier to get good nutrition. While getting your vitamins and minerals in probably isn't going to make you lose fat any faster, it will probably make you feel a little bit better doing it, which means you're less likely to slip up
 
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