Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

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FedPostalService said:
Have you tried protein shakes? They’re surprisingly filling even with using water rather than milk.
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I have. I buy in powder form and mix them. I'd get bars as well but I can scoff those down like cookies so I avoid them. I get plenty of protein.

JoseRaulChupacabra said:
Not if you eat a sufficiently high intake of protein and lift sufficiently heavy.
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You're replying to my response to someone suggesting doing a fast - no eating.

JoseRaulChupacabra said:
I've been through two of these (PSMF), at first I was injured and lost a lot of strength as a result because I couldn't lift, when I tried the 2nd time, I lost a net of 12kg in 2 months and lost no strength.
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You lost 12kg in 2 months? That does not sound healthy. Also, I don't have 12kg to lose.

Swine Schwein said:
I know. I did say IF you have some water weight on, it might also come off. I dropped quite a bit last time I did 60hrs.
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There's no point in trying to lose water weight. I'm not prepping for competition. Possibly not clear but I'm not after temporarily meeting a target weight for a sporting event or looking shredded for some particular thing. I'm trying to lose a little bit of excess fat long term and saying that serious weight training makes it much harder to do caloric restriction. Even with lots of the calories I do get being made up of protein.
 
Chester Copperpot said:
Dr Mike claims the PhD was a mistakenly uploaded earlier draft. This video includes a Google doc link to the 'latest draft' (which seems like odd phrasing to me).
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He's a lying midget weasel.

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Overly Serious said:
Thanks, but... I generally dislike fasting as a means of weight loss. Fasting as distinct to simply caloric restriction. For a start, 2.5kg is over 19,000KCal. If my maintenance calories is around 2,500KCal per day that's not a weekend, that's over a week. Which not only starts putting my body into conservation mode but also kicks in higher rate of muscle loss and reduces the maintenance calories stretching it out further. I have considered episodic mini-fasts, like a series of no-eat weekends but at that point I think you're better off just doing a daily caloric restriction because honestly it's easier to do and less prone to cause the compensation swing back that any sort of crash dieting tends to produce. I can do that. Really the issue is simply as I raised that weight training sends my body into way more of a hunger for calories mode than anything else.

Fat. And sure, I'm just saying that starting up weight training again makes caloric restriction a lot harder. My body starts to get really hungry. Best I can do is as @FedPostalService says and just cram protein to somewhat offset it. That only helps somewhat, though.
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I've been fucking around with 4-5 day fasts this year on and off and I'm very happy with it. Basically I fast during the work week and treat weekends like a clean bulk. Muscle/strength loss has been negligible, any perceived drop in strength is back or better by Sunday night; and weight regain is negligible aside from water weight, even after weeks of "normal" eating. Seems to be the only protocol that allows me to recomp, personally, at least a little. Weight and lifts both fluctuate day to day but the week to week data is consistent. I'd also disagree that it's harder than caloric restriction, personally I have a much easier time with delaying gratification than exercising moderation, and besides that it had the unexpected effect of sort of resetting my diet/cravings, by Thursday I'm craving steak and greens rather than fat and carbs, junk food cravings are practically nonexistent, idk if that's a gut flora thing or what but it's cool. Also I can afford to eat steak a lot with the money I'm saving by not eating which is cooler. Also moods and mental acuity are more stable throughout the week. Really the only downside is that I get sick easier.

If you have already determined empirically that it doesn't work for you then fair enough, everybody's body is different and maybe yours just sucks and mine kicks ass, but I wouldn't write it off without giving it a try because it's been awesome for me.
 
@dick brain That's very interesting. So I don't want to lose that much weight - really just 2-3kg of fat so one week almost achieves that. Maybe does achieve it depending on the amount of exercise. I am getting close to losing it just by moderate calorie deficit though. I'm not especially overweight and with my height and build it's concealable. But I'd like to be leaner. Really what I want to be doing soon is training more for sports which I'd like to take up again. And more endurance - my running is shot to Hell compared to what it used to be.

All that said, how often have you been doing the 4-5 day fasts? Might be interesting to try though I'm still wary of it provoking some counter-swing the following week. The nice thing with just moderate restriction is that for the most part, I don't get that. And cravings I've found tend to go away mostly just by avoiding sugar for a sufficient period.

This has spiralled out of control really though - all I was saying was that re-introducing weight training has made me a lot hungrier than usual. I'm surprised if there are people for whom that isn't true.
 
Overly Serious said:
@dick brain That's very interesting. So I don't want to lose that much weight - really just 2-3kg of fat so one week almost achieves that. Maybe does achieve it depending on the amount of exercise. I am getting close to losing it just by moderate calorie deficit though. I'm not especially overweight and with my height and build it's concealable. But I'd like to be leaner. Really what I want to be doing soon is training more for sports which I'd like to take up again. And more endurance - my running is shot to Hell compared to what it used to be.

All that said, how often have you been doing the 4-5 day fasts? Might be interesting to try though I'm still wary of it provoking some counter-swing the following week. The nice thing with just moderate restriction is that for the most part, I don't get that. And cravings I've found tend to go away mostly just by avoiding sugar for a sufficient period.

This has spiralled out of control really though - all I was saying was that re-introducing weight training has made me a lot hungrier than usual. I'm surprised if there are people for whom that isn't true.
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I started in April through May to cut as much weight as possible for a hiking and climbing trip on short notice, lost 20-25lbs over 4-6 weeks, did another few weeks throughout August and September and lost another 10-15; I basically do it when I feel up to it and don't when I don't. For the record I'm also autistic about electrolytes and supplementation when I do it which makes it easier, I posted my stack here a while back. I can reasonably expect to lose 0.5-1lb per day of fasting, after accounting for refeeding/water retention.

Tbh I have no idea how much resistance training affects my hunger because I've been doing it for over a decade.
 
Trying to balance working out with not getting injured. I wish I could work out every day but I don't think my body can take it.

The more I progress, the more I need to rest. When I was just starting I was absolutely thrashing, working out constantly all the time. I was too weak to seriously strain my body.
 
dick brain said:
I'd also disagree that it's harder than caloric restriction,
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This is similar to my experience as well. Moderate restriction led to constant hunger and cravings. I never did full fasting, but extreme restrictions on calories almost eliminated hunger and cravings.

Also, when it comes to treats, it’s easier to say no than to say just a bit.
 
I'm a big fan of fasting, but I'm also opposed to trying to lose fat while putting on strength gains. I have to do one or the other; eat normal/big and grow muscle, or fast and do basic light workouts.
Rimanah said:
In the immortal words of the liver king: that was a lie
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What does a "corrected copy" even mean, the correction being that ChatGPT didn't exist when he wrote his puff piece dissertation?

I'm sick of his gay pumpkin head appearing on my internet.
 
Jerk Sausage said:
What does a "corrected copy" even mean, the correction being that ChatGPT didn't exist when he wrote his puff piece dissertation?
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As far as I can tell, it’s his cope term for the copy his marketing team made and that he tried to pass off as the actual final version. Until he got caught because of the metadata that is.
 
PhD in basket weaving for hypertrophy. Getting a PhD is lolcow behavior tbh. Oh yes I'm Dr. Crunk, with my PhD is nigganomics. I spent $100k and 8 years of my life for this but in the end my super special book report is a junk statistics circlejerk about wrist size to dick length ratio.
 
Chester Copperpot said:
Mike's bullshit cope of 'most of the errors were clerical' is such nonsense. Quality issues go well beyond typos you dickhead.
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He has to save face for both his personal brand, and for RP. Admitting that he wrote a garbage PHD that only got through because he went to a degree mill, and then lied about, and potentially committed criminal fraud in the process rather would absolutely torpedo everything worse than anything Solomon could have ever done.

What really gets me is how many other people were willing to throw their credibility away to defend this obvious retard. The way some people came out of the woodwork you’d think Mike was as important to bodybuilding as Arnold. I may hate the little lying midget, but I have to admit it’s impressive he’s been able to make himself that important to the “evidence and science based community” while being a delusional retard with no actual accomplishments in the sport he’s supposed to be an expert in. He truly is a master Jew.

Ice Gun Ninja said:
Do we have an OP for Mike Israetel?
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No. There’s a community thread for bodybuilding/fitness industry in PG, but as of only a few days ago it didn’t have Mike. Mostly a bunch of older cows like Liver King.
 
Rimanah said:
What really gets me is how many other people were willing to throw their credibility away to defend this obvious retard. The way some people came out of the woodwork you’d think Mike was as important to bodybuilding as Arnold. I may hate the little lying midget, but I have to admit it’s impressive he’s been able to make himself that important to the “evidence and science based community” while being a delusional retard with no actual accomplishments in the sport he’s supposed to be an expert in. He truly is a master Jew.
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There is only one jew who can save us now


 
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