Weightlifting for Kiwis - Discussion and support regarding the art of swole

[whatsupwthat]

The most exposure Israetel has gotten was discussing his steroid usage with the other YouTube Dr. Mike. He's annoying but he's vocal about his PED usage.

That's the bare minimum, and the amount of lying he does about training and other stuff completely offsets any positive he might have done by being open about PEDs.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

The most exposure Israetel has gotten was discussing his steroid usage with the other YouTube Dr. Mike. He's annoying but he's vocal about his PED usage.

Yes, he does talk about it, but mostly in an oblique manner and he has, to the best of my knowledge, never specifically said, "If you want to look like me, you must use steroids, and you will never, ever get there without it."
My point being that steroid use, even if an obvious subtext, is still overlooked by Normies; they still think they can achieve a physique like The Rock if they just follow Noctor Mike's nutrition and training advice.

 

[Overly Serious]

Eat tons of meat. Protein heavy will cool it down. Chicken is your friend. Otherwise you're going to start grazing the most unhealthy shit. Your appetite will calm down.

Track your calories in vs what you are burning. You might be in a bit of a plateaux now if your goal is weight loss but in the long run it will help.

Cheers. I'm a couple of KG heavier than I'd like to be. I'm fairly tall and used to do a fair bit of working out so a couple of KG is something I can carry reasonably well but I'd still like it gone. I calorie count so I have a pretty good idea of my maintenance calories already and for running and rowing I can get a rough estimate from the machines. How many calories I burn weight training and building the muscle up afterwards is more of an unknown to me. I get a lot of protein - as much as I can reasonably digest. In general my diet is fairly low in carbs but weight training seems to send my body carb-hungry. So does running but weight training the effect seems to last for longer.

I guess I just have to dredge up some extra will power for the first few months to ensure I don't over-compensate.

Weight training also makes it harder for me to track fat loss. First day back from weight training my weight shot up by nearly a kg for the following day. And I'd maybe eaten a few hundred calories more than I usually do. Which I guess must be water retention in the muscles? I was going to re-start taking creatine as well and that also leads to more fluid and glucose stored in the muscles so there's another factor as well.

I may have to just accept that my morning weigh-ins are not going to be a reliable guide to fat loss anymore. At least for a while until this all balances out. But I like weight training and it is time to get back into it. I guess just a matter of the effort to adjust to a new status quo again.

 

[whatsupwthat]

never specifically said, "If you want to look like me, you must use steroids, and you will never, ever get there without it."

Actually I remember him saying something along the lines of "Getting an extra hour of sleep if you're missing out on it will give you better performance than taking steroids" which is just total bullshit, so he definitely downplays the effects of steroids which is kinda scummy.
Also, I don't think he has to say that you need to take steroids to look like him, because Jesus Christ why would you ever want to look like an obese blob like him.

 

[FedPostalService]

I may have to just accept that my morning weigh-ins are not going to be a reliable guide to fat loss anymore. At least for a while until this all balances out. But I like weight training and it is time to get back into it. I guess just a matter of the effort to adjust to a new status quo again.

get a tape measure and track your waist measurement.

If you’re weight training then you’re going to start seeing odd results on the scales.

 

[Overly Serious]

get a tape measure and track your waist measurement.

Better than that, I have a callipers, one of those tapes with the circular little clip and the spring load and a set of formula.

However, it's such a faff that I only do all that like once or twice a year. I've gotten used to just having a daily weigh-in. Which is good because a weekly average is much more reliable than day to day.

In the new year, I'll be switching to metrics that focus more on health than weight - my 10km time, what weights I can manage, etc. But right now I just want to get those 2.5kg off and weight training has thrown all my metrics out the window.

But thanks for all the advice. The reality is I just need to accept an adjustment period and grit my way through it.

 

[Rimanah]

The most exposure Israetel has gotten was discussing his steroid usage with the other YouTube Dr. Mike. He's annoying but he's vocal about his PED usage.

The problem is that his (rather abysmal by bodybuilding standards) results are almost solely the results of steroids. Some of his training recommendations are absolute garbage that will not help natties. IMO this is actually worse than being a fake natty, because he’s simultaneously setting up his fanbase of mostly impressionable young men up for failure, and normalizing steroid usage.

Also I’ve gone down the Solomon and Lyle rabbit hole on “doctor” Mike, and holy shit. I knew he was a lolcow, but I never realized how deep it went. Dude actually thinks he looks better than fucking Mike Mentzer.

 

[markzuckerbergslave]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=elLI9PRn1gQ
This video is going to get millions of views and affirms what I felt for a while now. Mike Israetel is a fraudulent fag. Jeff Nippard is a fag. Science is gay. Move heavier weight, do more reps, and have fun working out every single day.

hated this nigga since 2018. Always hated seeing a 5'4 jew go on and on about his "superior" genes

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Mike's body confuses me. He doesn't seem to have any neck. I actually find it really distracting when he's talking about stuff as I just want to reach through the screen and pull his head up.

 

[Swine Schwein]

I started using wrist straps for deadlifts and it's incredible how much of a difference they make. I realized afterwards that the only thing I really disliked about deadlifts was pushing my grip to the failure every single time.

Straps are excellent for deadlifts, RDLs, bent over rows and whatever else one might actually need them for. When you can just focus on the mechanics and push yourself with stability, it's like night and day difference.

Even if one subscribed to some "straps are for pussies and they'll only hurt your grip strength" bullshit, the reality is still the same: if your grip fails way before the target muscles, what the hell is the point? Not implying that deadlifts should be done to failure but with a weak grip and without straps it's tough to even get to the effective reps.

 

[Swine Schwein]

But right now I just want to get those 2.5kg off and weight training has thrown all my metrics out the window.

If you just want to get rid of a few measly pounds quickly, no matter how, fast for a weekend. Just a basic water fast. Even a 48-hour fast might do the trick if you happen to shed some water weight. It's not that long of a time so you won't have to worry about electrolytes or how to ease back into eating again. You might also unlock some bonus xp perks that allow you to not give a shit about hunger signals too much. You might even enjoy it like some perverted retard and become a nuisance to all your fat friends.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

But right now I just want to get those 2.5kg off and weight training has thrown all my metrics out the window.

Do you wanna get rid of 2.5kg of fat? If you want, you can subsist on salad greens and chicken breasts for a few weeks. In one day, you will lose 2KG plus, but that's mostly gonna be water weight. Do it for a week or two and it should take some fat out.

Mike's body confuses me. He doesn't seem to have any neck. I actually find it really distracting when he's talking about stuff as I just want to reach through the screen and pull his head up.

It's the result of being a manlet with terrible skeletal structure for bodybuilding and taking way too much gear resulting in way too much muscle.

His poor showing last year really did a number on him. Guys like Greg Doucette and this Solomon guy together with Lyle McDonald feasted like vultures on his most recent failed attempt at a pro card.

 

[ifunny pride world wide]

IMO this is actually worse than being a fake natty, because he’s simultaneously setting up his fanbase of mostly impressionable young men up for failure, and normalizing steroid usage.

Another youtuber, Garand Thumb (guntuber guy), recently partnered with a company to sell some generic workout course using his branding. Not a big issue by itself but the guy clearly uses PEDS and I feel like its irresponsible to market something like that without being upfront with your PEDs usage. It's basically false advertising IMO. You shouldn't present your body as an example of a product result when it literally cant be achieved by said product.

 

[Rimanah]

It's the result of being a manlet with terrible skeletal structure for bodybuilding and taking way too much gear resulting in way too much muscle.

Has so-called “doctor” Israel ever explained why he switched over to bodybuilding? He used to powerlift, and from what I found his scores and placement was pretty good. His numbers from his last meet give him a Wilks score of ~364, which is nothing to sneeze at. I feel like if he had kept with it he could have done very well’s in the sport. Instead he traded it to be a very shitty bodybuilder who can barely bench 2pl8 and is increasingly becoming the laughingstock of the community.
But I guess he’s rich now which as far as I can tell is what he really cares about.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

Could be body image issues. Who knows, lol. Why else would he get that surgery that's left him swollen.

It's fucking hilarious that meatheads are calling themselves doctors on youtube.

 

[Jerk Sausage]

Being an egomaniacal narcissist is an acceptable lifestyle once you've created a private bubble where people tell you you're great and you profit from selling your own farts. Look at comedy podcasts, twitch streamers, or pretty much any form of entertainment.

Israetel is not a meathead, that's a disservice to quality meathead entertainers like Eric Bugenhagen.

 

[Overly Serious]

If you just want to get rid of a few measly pounds quickly, no matter how, fast for a weekend. Just a basic water fast. Even a 48-hour fast might do the trick if you happen to shed some water weight. It's not that long of a time so you won't have to worry about electrolytes or how to ease back into eating again. You might also unlock some bonus xp perks that allow you to not give a shit about hunger signals too much. You might even enjoy it like some perverted retard and become a nuisance to all your fat friends.

Thanks, but... I generally dislike fasting as a means of weight loss. Fasting as distinct to simply caloric restriction. For a start, 2.5kg is over 19,000KCal. If my maintenance calories is around 2,500KCal per day that's not a weekend, that's over a week. Which not only starts putting my body into conservation mode but also kicks in higher rate of muscle loss and reduces the maintenance calories stretching it out further. I have considered episodic mini-fasts, like a series of no-eat weekends but at that point I think you're better off just doing a daily caloric restriction because honestly it's easier to do and less prone to cause the compensation swing back that any sort of crash dieting tends to produce. I can do that. Really the issue is simply as I raised that weight training sends my body into way more of a hunger for calories mode than anything else.

Do you wanna get rid of 2.5kg of fat? If you want, you can subsist on salad greens and chicken breasts for a few weeks. In one day, you will lose 2KG plus, but that's mostly gonna be water weight. Do it for a week or two and it should take some fat out.

Fat. And sure, I'm just saying that starting up weight training again makes caloric restriction a lot harder. My body starts to get really hungry. Best I can do is as @FedPostalService says and just cram protein to somewhat offset it. That only helps somewhat, though.

 

[FedPostalService]

Fat. And sure, I'm just saying that starting up weight training again makes caloric restriction a lot harder. My body starts to get really hungry. Best I can do is as @FedPostalService says and just cram protein to somewhat offset it. That only helps somewhat, though.

Have you tried protein shakes? They’re surprisingly filling even with using water rather than milk.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

Which not only starts putting my body into conservation mode but also kicks in higher rate of muscle loss and reduces the maintenance calories stretching it out further.

Not if you eat a sufficiently high intake of protein and lift sufficiently heavy. I've been through two of these (PSMF), at first I was injured and lost a lot of strength as a result because I couldn't lift, when I tried the 2nd time, I lost a net of 12kg in 2 months and lost no strength.

daily caloric restriction because honestly it's easier to do

My experience is the opposite. I'm constantly hungry on moderate restriction. As soon as I cut out carbs and focus on getting sufficient protein and lots of romaine lettuce, I find the hunger disappears to the point where I actually end up forgetting to eat sometimes.

 

[Swine Schwein]

For a start, 2.5kg is over 19,000KCal. If my maintenance calories is around 2,500KCal per day that's not a weekend, that's over a week.

I know. I did say IF you have some water weight on, it might also come off. I dropped quite a bit last time I did 60hrs.