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We Need to Stop Talking About Tipping Fatigue​

Some people say they're sick of tipping. But tipping is the only way to cover workers' income.​

Bon Appétit - Adam Reiner

When I was a fine dining server, I never understood why confronting a guest who left a bad tip was considered sacrilege. I was proud of my work, so I took it personally when someone stiffed me. Most restaurant managers refuse to approach bad tippers. Doing so would risk the unthinkable––embarrassing a paying customer––even though managers are acutely aware of how much their servers’ incomes depend on tips. If a manager does approach the table, it’s usually under the guise of a concerned question: “Was everything alright with your service?” In other words, it must’ve been the chef or waiter’s fault if someone leaves a bad tip.

Reading an article on “tipping fatigue” in the New York Times, I was reminded of the fatigue I felt regularly working in restaurants when customers took service for granted by undertipping. It’s a common feeling among hospitality professionals, many of whom are still struggling to regain their pre-pandemic incomes. The blurred lines between fast-casual service and full service restaurants present customers with more confusing tipping situations. But whether service is administered casually at the counter or formally at the table, the almighty tip still stands as the critical source of income for service workers.

While tipped workers earn the full minimum wage in states like California and Minnesota—which can be as low as $7.25—their hourly wages in a majority of states are well below the minimum. According to federal law, a provision known as the “tip credit” permits employers to pay tipped employees as low as $2.13 an hour. Because restaurant owners are only responsible for a fraction of their front of house pay, they’re able to keep menu prices artificially low. That means when you don’t tip servers properly, you haven’t paid the true price of your meal.

Framing tipping as a burden or an extra demand on customers makes fatigue an inevitable reaction. Instead, we should think of tipping as the price of service, and the decision not to leave one—or to leave less than standard—means underpaying for that service. Many patrons assume that faster service means less need for tipping, but even tipped workers that have higher hourly wages, like baristas and counter servers, rely on tips to supplement their income.

Attempts to reform the tipping system—by raising menu prices and paying kitchen and waitstaff more equitably—have seen mixed results. Restaurant managers are quick to impress upon their staff that good and bad tips even out in the end. Which is true. Except when it isn’t. I can’t think of any other business transaction where workers are expected to accept being underpaid by one client simply because another client paid them fairly. When you work in the service industry, you learn to roll with the punches. You also learn to accept that you never get to throw any.

Holding it together through the pandemic has made it harder for many restaurant workers to tolerate ungrateful guests. “What people don’t realize when service is bad right now, most of the time it’s because restaurants are understaffed,” says Alfonso Victoria, a restaurant worker in New York City. Victoria never missed a single shift during the pandemic. The café where he was waiting tables in Williamsburg stayed open despite the lockdowns and capacity restrictions. Most of the staff was let go, but when offered their jobs back as the pandemic raged on, many preferred to ride out the storm collecting unemployment from the safety of their own homes.

Fewer able bodies meant that the servers at Victoria’s restaurant were always stretched thin. “When the pandemic hit, my job duties multiplied,” Victoria says, “I was doing a little bit of everything—serving, making my own drinks and running them.” With a skeleton crew, there was no longer a dedicated food runner position. Victoria did it all.

With his section of the restaurant crowded with diners, Victoria was also expected to greet guests at the door and check their vaccination status while packaging takeout and delivery orders. Tips for delivery orders, if there were any, would go to the drivers. While Victoria’s job description expanded, his pay did not. In fact, it dropped precipitously. As the pandemic ground business to a halt, his income—based almost completely on tips—was cut in half overnight, from $1200 a week to under $600 a week. He was doing five times the work for less than half the pay.

As the new reality set in, Victoria began noticing that many patrons were tipping poorly or leaving no tip at all. At a staff meeting, he suggested the restaurant add an automatic gratuity to every check to protect the staff’s income. His request was denied. Victoria could only convince management to raise the default tip setting on the restaurant’s handheld payment terminals to 20 percent. Prompts that encourage adding more generous gratuity—like the one Victoria was advocating for—were cited in the New York Times article on tipping fatigue as being one of the main sources of customer backlash.

The change marginally helped, but Victoria’s income still stagnated. Since then, he’s moved on to different jobs, but his earnings are still well below pre-pandemic levels. Before the pandemic, he was making $35-40 an hour. Now, because sales and tips have declined, he’s making only $20-25 an hour. Trends show restaurant sales recovering gradually—according to NPD Group the industry is expected to recover 98% of its pre-pandemic visits by the end of 2022—but many workers like Victoria still feel like they’re having to do more work for less pay.

The pandemic has upended the careers of countless restaurant workers like Victoria across the country, leaving them struggling to find stability. Amber Peterson has worked almost every job in the restaurant world, from barista and bar chef to dishwasher and bartop burlesque entertainer. Months ago, she left New Orleans exhausted after years in the restaurant industry there. Now in her forties, she’s resettled to a smaller Midwestern city, still searching to find a restaurant job that meets both her income requirements and need for health coverage—a rarity in the restaurant world. “For the years that I did make a lot of money in the industry,” Peterson says, “It was never enough to get out.”

She’s encountered some of the same issues with shady owners and bad tippers in her adopted city. “The majority of American business owners are still greedy and have no idea how real people live,” Peterson says. She’s currently weighing whether to go back to a tipped job or to pursue a salaried position.

Jaime Wilson has never been a fan of tipping culture in general, which makes it hard for her to defend the practice. She works the counter at a popular bakery in Brooklyn and relies on tips for 30 percent of her total income. “To read all these articles about people being tired of tipping,” Wilson says, “I’m like—I’m tired of being tipped!” Wilson would much rather have her income be divorced from the see-saw of customer generosity, preferring a more egalitarian pay structure between front and back of house.

During the pandemic, her employers didn’t want customers touching the handheld payment terminal for safety reasons, so the staff was asked to prompt customers verbally for their tip choice. Tipping percentage went up dramatically, and management allowed staff to continue the practice. Reactions from customers were mixed—not everyone was on board to add a gratuity.

On one occasion, a customer asked Wilson if she could enter the tip amount herself rather than declare it. Wilson apologized and explained the policy. “Ok, then, never mind,” the woman said. She left no tip. Many customers still perceive counter service as less work, and therefore undeserving of tips.

“Customers have been living in a bubble of lacking information,” says Wilson, “where we, as restaurant workers, have kept our complaints to ourselves and restaurant owners have coddled the customers in order to keep making money.” The pandemic has put tipping under a microscope, which Wilson says makes some customers uncomfortable. “It’s only in the last couple of years that that bubble has started to burst,” she adds, “where we’ve said, ‘Here’s what we’re actually doing, here is what our jobs entail, and this is what we need in return.’”

At the bakery where Wilson works, the entire staff shares tips equally, including a few kitchen positions. She knows she could make more money elsewhere, but she prefers working in an environment where tips are distributed more equitably.

Although kitchen staff don’t usually benefit directly from tips, many restaurants are inviting back of house employees into the tip pool, in cities and states where this practice is legal. Caitlin Briggs, a cook in Milwaukee, moved from their hotel restaurant job to a line cook position in a James Beard-nominated restaurant because they heard that the kitchen staff received 2% of all tips.

“The tip sharing is what brought me in the door to apply,” Briggs says, “because any owner that cares enough about the quality of pay for its employees, is generally a place that’s going to respect me as a human.” Even though Briggs’ hourly wage dropped $1.50, with the added boost from tips, their income went up 50 percent from their previous job. Briggs believes sharing in the tip pool has also had a significant impact on the quality of the work among their fellow cooks.

According to a recent report on industry trends released by the Boston-based restaurant point-of-sale platform Toast, tipping has remained rather steady since the pandemic, although full-service restaurants routinely see higher tip percentages compared with quick-service restaurants. Toast’s report showed that the average tip percentage for full-service restaurants was 19.9% versus 17.0% for quick-service restaurants over approximately 62,000 locations that use its platform across the U.S.

Wilson says that many customers at her counter do understand tipping culture, and she estimates that almost 75 percent of her customers leave at least something in the way of a tip. One of her regulars routinely tips 25 percent every time he buys anything, even on the smallest order. “His 25 percent tip doesn’t do much for my income, but it says: ‘You recognize what I’m doing, and you recognize your role in it.’ That’s what tipping has in many ways become.”

Whenever the debate over who should be tipped and how much erupts again, the conversation almost always centers the paying guest. It’s ironic to use the word “fatigue” to frame the feeling of tipping (or non-tipping) diners, the only people involved in the interaction that aren’t doing any work.

It appears that customers reached a tipping point in the pandemic. They feel comfortable centering their own grievances once again, and expect the hospitality establishment to go back to blaming itself for everything that goes wrong. But with so many operational challenges still lingering––labor shortages, rising inflation––asking restaurant workers to shoulder blame for every unmet expectation is an undue burden. To the contrary, restaurants need more empathy from guests, a sentiment that should be reflected in their tipping practices.

Peterson advises that when customers find themselves in uncertain tipping situations, they learn to embrace the impact that being generous can have on the people serving them. “Even though you might not have tipped the counter server or coffee person before, they provided you with a service that made your day better,” says Peterson, “If you have it to give, give. I wish more people had that mentality.”

While Peterson doesn’t think servers should confront bad tippers, she also thinks customers shouldn’t go out if they aren’t going to respect restaurant workers by tipping them fairly. “I come from the old school where you never question a guest about a tip, and you never complain about whatever tip you get,” she says. “But this is our culture, and if you don’t want to be a part of it, stay at home and yell at your microwave.”


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With all these articles and generall bitchiness from tippies, I've just stopped using services that require tipping. I'll order my food online, pick it up myself, and you will get jack fucking shit. In lieu of that I'll just cook myself because despite restaurants prices increasing 50%+ in the past few years food prices have not increased anywhere near that much.

I hope you price gouging tip begging faggots all starve, fuck you.
 
My rule, if you work a job, like waiter, where you get a shit hourly wage and tips are expected as part of your pay, I tip. If you deliver my food, I tip, but that tip is diminished if I have to pay a delivery fee. Taxi's/uber you also tip. That's it.

If you don't get the shit hourly wage, don't deliver my food, or don't drive a cab/uber, I don't tip. The main reason being that I have no idea if you are getting a full wage and are just grifting, or you get a reduced wage and a tip is expected.

If it can't be made clear that you are supposed to get a tip as part of the terms of the transaction, how is that my fault? Blame the people & places that muddied the water by asking for tips for employees that are paid a full wage.
 
Fuck off plate monkey. If I eat a great meal I pay the chef via the bill, not some moron who can walk and carry a plate.

Now yes, I do tip. But I tip based on what you do, not what someone else did.

If you bring me a Beef Wellington hand cooked by Gordon Ramsay, I'm not paying you extra for remembering which way is up you fucking retard.
 
If you bring me a Beef Wellington hand cooked by Gordon Ramsay, I'm not paying you extra for remembering which way is up you fucking retard.
Speaking of, do we have a place to rant about "fine dining"? Cause fuck me, these retards who act like they're fucking artists for cooking food make me wanna commit a national tragedy. The fuck am I paying more than 8 dollars for a burger and fries for? Why the fuck is this steak 50 dollars? I could make the shit the exact same way at home with the same ingredients for half the price, probably even cheaper, and it'd taste the same fucking way. In fact, I have. I've followed recipes from faggots like Gordon and it's never been anything special. Certainly not any better than something I'd make myself with my own recipe.

And I didn't even have to suck cock and get verbally abused while wearing a faggoty chef outfit to do it :story:
 
Not tipping, per se, but it's definitely related. Either raise the prices of everything 18% or fuck off with this bullshit.

After lawsuit, Jon & Vinny’s adds explainer on customer checks about 18% service fee
Los Angeles Times (archive.ph)
By Cindy Carcamo
2023-07-03 22:29:17GMT

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(Anne Cusack/Los Angeles Times)

Nearly two weeks after former servers at Jon & Vinny’s filed a class-action lawsuit against the popular Italian American restaurant, alleging that the establishment violated California gratuity laws, the restaurant changed the language tacked on to the end of customer bills regarding its 18% service fee.

At the bottom of customers’ checks, it now reads: “The service charge is not a tip or gratuity, and is an added fee controlled by the restaurant that helps facilitate a higher living base wage for all of our employees. Please scan the QR Code at the top of the receipt for additional information, or speak with a manager.”

As recently as June, receipts at the Fairfax and Beverly Hills locations did not mention that the service fee was not a gratuity. Instead, the receipt had a QR code that, when scanned, linked to a web page headlined “What We Believe.” There, customers are told, “No, the service charge is not a tip or gratuity, it is an added fee that is controlled by the restaurant.”

Over the weekend, servers received a message from management about the change.

“We have decided to further update the guest check and QR Code summary page regarding the service charge,” the message read. “Although we have always been very clear with our guests and our staff that the service charge is not a tip or gratuity, unfortunately the recent LA Times article has created confusion and we don’t want that to affect our staff or our customers’ experience. We believe in this team, the experience, and our ability to come together to preserve what’s so special about Jon & Vinny’s.”

A spokesperson for Jon & Vinny’s declined to comment beyond the note sent to staff.

The announcement and change in billing language comes after a Los Angeles Times article published on June 21 about the class-action lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court against Joint Venture Restaurant Group Inc., which owns Jon & Vinny’s. The workers claim that the company denied them tips and therefore shortchanged them on their take-home pay because of confusion resulting from the 18% service fee.

California’s gratuity law requires that tips be remitted in full to non-managerial service staff.

Through a spokesperson, the restaurant group — including partners Jon Shook, Vinny Dotolo and Helen Johannesen, well-known figures in the L.A. culinary community — denied the claims. The business partners said their service-charge model democratizes a dining staff’s earnings for everyone in their restaurants, and that customers are offered information that states the fee is not a tip.

“Ten years ago, we recognized that the traditional tip model rewarded some employees, but left many employees behind — creating a huge disparity where some employees did very well and others did not,” the group said in a statement sent to the Los Angeles Times. The service fee, it added, “not only unquestionably benefits hourly employees, but it is unquestionably legal, having been vetted by independent leading professionals in the hospitality industry.”

A server who currently works at the Jon & Vinny’s Beverly Hills location said the new language might be clearer but didn’t please some of their diners on Sunday evening. The server didn’t want to be named due to fear of retaliation.

“It certainly doesn’t solve the problem, because people are still pissed about the 18% and where it goes,” the server said. “And it clearly didn’t make them tip more last night.”

Sunday night, the server said, diners left fewer tips than usual for him. He said customers left “a lot of zeroes” in tips or wrote “included” in the tip line.
 
Restaurant going experience is extremely shit the last few years and I'd rather just order some wagie to bring it rather than waste an hour waiting for service.
 
Total Restaurant Death can't happen soon enough.
 
“Ten years ago, we recognized that the traditional tip model rewarded some employees, but left many employees behind — creating a huge disparity where some employees did very well and others did not,”

Well that's too bad. If you can't wait tables well pick another job. Nothing can be merit based anymore in the world of globohomo.
 
I had to use a government approved moving company once. They wouldn't move shit off the truck if you didn't pre-tip (yes, pre-tip). First thing I saw when I opened the door when they arrived was a open palm facing the sky lol. The experience was quite wild and extremely awkward because I had no fucking clue what their body language of "gib me extra money" meant for quite a while because I've never experienced this level of insanity before. It felt like they were going to drive away with all my shit before I realized they were extorting me just so they can do the bare minimum.

If I ever experience something like that again I'm going to formally declare Jihad against the service industry. The poor customer must rise up against the greedy working class. Total Waiter Death, you will be replaced by cute Japanese diner robots, you will be replaced by the patty flipping robot arm, you will be replaced by delivery drone, you will be replaced by the honorable white man, billions must be automated, und you vill like et.
 
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Tipping culture is gangster shit. "You must pay me an undisclosed amount more than you've already agreed to pay me. If I am pleased by your offering I will not spit in your food."

The sooner we end this shit the better.
 
The average poor american is fat, owns a smartphone (even it was free from Safelink/Assurance through the ACP benefit),
The smartphone thing is such a trip to me because they have become "essential" in the same way cars used to be essential to have a job, but at the same time I acknowledge that they are needed for work, I can also acknowledge that 99.9% what they are used for has nothing to do with that.
 
The smartphone thing is such a trip to me because they have become "essential" in the same way cars used to be essential to have a job, but at the same time I acknowledge that they are needed for work, I can also acknowledge that 99.9% what they are used for has nothing to do with that.
Not to get off topic, but it's a real "bread and circus" thing if you ask me. They give out tablets to poor kids too, not sure if it's the ACP benefit still or what. All I know is that the parents want them desperately not so little Johnny can read ebooks and do his homework, but to use as free babysitters. Ever wonder what horrible people raise their kids on those disturbing YouTube kids videos without even glancing at the screen? I've seen them. The goverment pays for this to happen.
Everyone needs the propaganda box, including children from a young age.

A lot of services are very hard to access anymore without email and phone number, though. Almost impossible to get a job without a phone number and email.


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At a local coffee store, I only purchased a drink can to go, which I brought to the counter myself. On the terminal, I saw the employee skip past the tip section before turning it to me to swipe my card. I'm glad and I would do the same.
 
A lot of services are very hard to access anymore without email and phone number, though. Almost impossible to get a job without a phone number and email.
Yeah, this is the only part I was referring to with my original statement. Children especially don't need this shit.
 
I'd love to pay more than I tip, but when I'm paying (what used to be) sit-down restaurant prices for a McDonald's Happy Meal, I just don't have the cash. Cripes, if i can find a decent sale at the local grocery store, I can make myself a crab dinner with two sides for less than what a fast food combo meal costs these days. I shouldn't be able to do that, but here we are. It would also help if they brought back coupons. The number of fast food places that are giving out coupons has fallen drastically. Two years ago, I could've eaten a full combo meal for 5 dollars. Now I'm lucky if I can get a sandwich for that much. I'd give up all of the Joe Bidenbucks I got over COVID if I could just get a meal for less than ten dollars again.
 
It's not my job to cover the restaurant not paying their employees properly. Tipping is retarded.
 
If you think I'm going to pay you 5 bucks so you're an hour late instead of 3 maybe go bitch at your employer instead.

If anything I'll tip you nothing. Dumb faggot.
I'd love to pay more than I tip, but when I'm paying (what used to be) sit-down restaurant prices for a McDonald's Happy Meal, I just don't have the cash. Cripes, if i can find a decent sale at the local grocery store, I can make myself a crab dinner with two sides for less than what a fast food combo meal costs these days. I shouldn't be able to do that, but here we are. It would also help if they brought back coupons. The number of fast food places that are giving out coupons has fallen drastically. Two years ago, I could've eaten a full combo meal for 5 dollars. Now I'm lucky if I can get a sandwich for that much. I'd give up all of the Joe Bidenbucks I got over COVID if I could just get a meal for less than ten dollars again.
I love how they're bitching about supply issues still too.
Because that excuses things being five times as much for mcdonalds, the scammy shit they've been doing, oh and the shit they pulled with the grimace shake.

At this point I'm just buying groceries and buying like large fries, fuck their burgers ill make my own for a fifth of the fucking cost.
 
If Trey and Matt can open a sit down restaurant with $30 an hour for staff and no tipping what's everyone else's excuse?

Tipping works for the people who are front of house and give the boss the appropriate services to get all the busy shifts. Everyone back of house or working the exact same hours front of house on shit shifts gets shafted.

This is another thing where I see very little disagreement online. Even the r/antiworks of the world have turned against tipping.
 
Restaurants going bankrupt over people being tired of this is a net positive.
 
Trey and Matt are millionaires who can subsidize their restaurant for years. They're a terrible example.
How about pretty much all of Europe, who have never had a tipping culture? Restaurants do just fine when paying their staff at least minimum wage. I cannot comprehend how this is an issue in America.
 
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