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We Need to Stop Talking About Tipping Fatigue​

Some people say they're sick of tipping. But tipping is the only way to cover workers' income.​

Bon Appétit - Adam Reiner

When I was a fine dining server, I never understood why confronting a guest who left a bad tip was considered sacrilege. I was proud of my work, so I took it personally when someone stiffed me. Most restaurant managers refuse to approach bad tippers. Doing so would risk the unthinkable––embarrassing a paying customer––even though managers are acutely aware of how much their servers’ incomes depend on tips. If a manager does approach the table, it’s usually under the guise of a concerned question: “Was everything alright with your service?” In other words, it must’ve been the chef or waiter’s fault if someone leaves a bad tip.

Reading an article on “tipping fatigue” in the New York Times, I was reminded of the fatigue I felt regularly working in restaurants when customers took service for granted by undertipping. It’s a common feeling among hospitality professionals, many of whom are still struggling to regain their pre-pandemic incomes. The blurred lines between fast-casual service and full service restaurants present customers with more confusing tipping situations. But whether service is administered casually at the counter or formally at the table, the almighty tip still stands as the critical source of income for service workers.

While tipped workers earn the full minimum wage in states like California and Minnesota—which can be as low as $7.25—their hourly wages in a majority of states are well below the minimum. According to federal law, a provision known as the “tip credit” permits employers to pay tipped employees as low as $2.13 an hour. Because restaurant owners are only responsible for a fraction of their front of house pay, they’re able to keep menu prices artificially low. That means when you don’t tip servers properly, you haven’t paid the true price of your meal.

Framing tipping as a burden or an extra demand on customers makes fatigue an inevitable reaction. Instead, we should think of tipping as the price of service, and the decision not to leave one—or to leave less than standard—means underpaying for that service. Many patrons assume that faster service means less need for tipping, but even tipped workers that have higher hourly wages, like baristas and counter servers, rely on tips to supplement their income.

Attempts to reform the tipping system—by raising menu prices and paying kitchen and waitstaff more equitably—have seen mixed results. Restaurant managers are quick to impress upon their staff that good and bad tips even out in the end. Which is true. Except when it isn’t. I can’t think of any other business transaction where workers are expected to accept being underpaid by one client simply because another client paid them fairly. When you work in the service industry, you learn to roll with the punches. You also learn to accept that you never get to throw any.

Holding it together through the pandemic has made it harder for many restaurant workers to tolerate ungrateful guests. “What people don’t realize when service is bad right now, most of the time it’s because restaurants are understaffed,” says Alfonso Victoria, a restaurant worker in New York City. Victoria never missed a single shift during the pandemic. The café where he was waiting tables in Williamsburg stayed open despite the lockdowns and capacity restrictions. Most of the staff was let go, but when offered their jobs back as the pandemic raged on, many preferred to ride out the storm collecting unemployment from the safety of their own homes.

Fewer able bodies meant that the servers at Victoria’s restaurant were always stretched thin. “When the pandemic hit, my job duties multiplied,” Victoria says, “I was doing a little bit of everything—serving, making my own drinks and running them.” With a skeleton crew, there was no longer a dedicated food runner position. Victoria did it all.

With his section of the restaurant crowded with diners, Victoria was also expected to greet guests at the door and check their vaccination status while packaging takeout and delivery orders. Tips for delivery orders, if there were any, would go to the drivers. While Victoria’s job description expanded, his pay did not. In fact, it dropped precipitously. As the pandemic ground business to a halt, his income—based almost completely on tips—was cut in half overnight, from $1200 a week to under $600 a week. He was doing five times the work for less than half the pay.

As the new reality set in, Victoria began noticing that many patrons were tipping poorly or leaving no tip at all. At a staff meeting, he suggested the restaurant add an automatic gratuity to every check to protect the staff’s income. His request was denied. Victoria could only convince management to raise the default tip setting on the restaurant’s handheld payment terminals to 20 percent. Prompts that encourage adding more generous gratuity—like the one Victoria was advocating for—were cited in the New York Times article on tipping fatigue as being one of the main sources of customer backlash.

The change marginally helped, but Victoria’s income still stagnated. Since then, he’s moved on to different jobs, but his earnings are still well below pre-pandemic levels. Before the pandemic, he was making $35-40 an hour. Now, because sales and tips have declined, he’s making only $20-25 an hour. Trends show restaurant sales recovering gradually—according to NPD Group the industry is expected to recover 98% of its pre-pandemic visits by the end of 2022—but many workers like Victoria still feel like they’re having to do more work for less pay.

The pandemic has upended the careers of countless restaurant workers like Victoria across the country, leaving them struggling to find stability. Amber Peterson has worked almost every job in the restaurant world, from barista and bar chef to dishwasher and bartop burlesque entertainer. Months ago, she left New Orleans exhausted after years in the restaurant industry there. Now in her forties, she’s resettled to a smaller Midwestern city, still searching to find a restaurant job that meets both her income requirements and need for health coverage—a rarity in the restaurant world. “For the years that I did make a lot of money in the industry,” Peterson says, “It was never enough to get out.”

She’s encountered some of the same issues with shady owners and bad tippers in her adopted city. “The majority of American business owners are still greedy and have no idea how real people live,” Peterson says. She’s currently weighing whether to go back to a tipped job or to pursue a salaried position.

Jaime Wilson has never been a fan of tipping culture in general, which makes it hard for her to defend the practice. She works the counter at a popular bakery in Brooklyn and relies on tips for 30 percent of her total income. “To read all these articles about people being tired of tipping,” Wilson says, “I’m like—I’m tired of being tipped!” Wilson would much rather have her income be divorced from the see-saw of customer generosity, preferring a more egalitarian pay structure between front and back of house.

During the pandemic, her employers didn’t want customers touching the handheld payment terminal for safety reasons, so the staff was asked to prompt customers verbally for their tip choice. Tipping percentage went up dramatically, and management allowed staff to continue the practice. Reactions from customers were mixed—not everyone was on board to add a gratuity.

On one occasion, a customer asked Wilson if she could enter the tip amount herself rather than declare it. Wilson apologized and explained the policy. “Ok, then, never mind,” the woman said. She left no tip. Many customers still perceive counter service as less work, and therefore undeserving of tips.

“Customers have been living in a bubble of lacking information,” says Wilson, “where we, as restaurant workers, have kept our complaints to ourselves and restaurant owners have coddled the customers in order to keep making money.” The pandemic has put tipping under a microscope, which Wilson says makes some customers uncomfortable. “It’s only in the last couple of years that that bubble has started to burst,” she adds, “where we’ve said, ‘Here’s what we’re actually doing, here is what our jobs entail, and this is what we need in return.’”

At the bakery where Wilson works, the entire staff shares tips equally, including a few kitchen positions. She knows she could make more money elsewhere, but she prefers working in an environment where tips are distributed more equitably.

Although kitchen staff don’t usually benefit directly from tips, many restaurants are inviting back of house employees into the tip pool, in cities and states where this practice is legal. Caitlin Briggs, a cook in Milwaukee, moved from their hotel restaurant job to a line cook position in a James Beard-nominated restaurant because they heard that the kitchen staff received 2% of all tips.

“The tip sharing is what brought me in the door to apply,” Briggs says, “because any owner that cares enough about the quality of pay for its employees, is generally a place that’s going to respect me as a human.” Even though Briggs’ hourly wage dropped $1.50, with the added boost from tips, their income went up 50 percent from their previous job. Briggs believes sharing in the tip pool has also had a significant impact on the quality of the work among their fellow cooks.

According to a recent report on industry trends released by the Boston-based restaurant point-of-sale platform Toast, tipping has remained rather steady since the pandemic, although full-service restaurants routinely see higher tip percentages compared with quick-service restaurants. Toast’s report showed that the average tip percentage for full-service restaurants was 19.9% versus 17.0% for quick-service restaurants over approximately 62,000 locations that use its platform across the U.S.

Wilson says that many customers at her counter do understand tipping culture, and she estimates that almost 75 percent of her customers leave at least something in the way of a tip. One of her regulars routinely tips 25 percent every time he buys anything, even on the smallest order. “His 25 percent tip doesn’t do much for my income, but it says: ‘You recognize what I’m doing, and you recognize your role in it.’ That’s what tipping has in many ways become.”

Whenever the debate over who should be tipped and how much erupts again, the conversation almost always centers the paying guest. It’s ironic to use the word “fatigue” to frame the feeling of tipping (or non-tipping) diners, the only people involved in the interaction that aren’t doing any work.

It appears that customers reached a tipping point in the pandemic. They feel comfortable centering their own grievances once again, and expect the hospitality establishment to go back to blaming itself for everything that goes wrong. But with so many operational challenges still lingering––labor shortages, rising inflation––asking restaurant workers to shoulder blame for every unmet expectation is an undue burden. To the contrary, restaurants need more empathy from guests, a sentiment that should be reflected in their tipping practices.

Peterson advises that when customers find themselves in uncertain tipping situations, they learn to embrace the impact that being generous can have on the people serving them. “Even though you might not have tipped the counter server or coffee person before, they provided you with a service that made your day better,” says Peterson, “If you have it to give, give. I wish more people had that mentality.”

While Peterson doesn’t think servers should confront bad tippers, she also thinks customers shouldn’t go out if they aren’t going to respect restaurant workers by tipping them fairly. “I come from the old school where you never question a guest about a tip, and you never complain about whatever tip you get,” she says. “But this is our culture, and if you don’t want to be a part of it, stay at home and yell at your microwave.”


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There was a pretty good bagel place about a block from my place when I was in school. I remember my housemate ranting about how he got them to march a bagel from the place to our apartment and it cost fifteen bucks. A premonition of things to come.
 
Stop tipping. The retard servers are making more money than the dudes in the back actually making your food. Y'know, the thing you came to the restaurant for?
 
I hate the US tipping culture. It's one of the things that actually dissuades me from going to a restaurant in the US when I visit.

The other thing that dissuades me is the food.

Tipping is retarded and a legacy of paying women and blacks lower wages.

More retarded American cancer seeping into the world. In my country where we paid living wages until recently. We have American bullshit seeping in. I assume just retarded young people actually tip uber drivers and people because they are dumb.
Burger here - I absolutely loathe tipping. What gets me is most people in the US (and ONLY in this country) get so irate over someone not tipping or saying they hate it that it's not funny. Doesn't help when you're in a financial situation like mine and cannot afford to tip someone when you need to budget for food and gas. There's also a sort of widespread urban legend type thing here about spitting in food of regulars who don't tip which goes to show how irate Burgers get over something so meaningless and stupid.* What also gets me is whether tipping started over slavery (or prohibition like what others claim), why has it not been phased out after 100+ years? How is this still a thing?

* I asked my mother, who has worked in restaurants for years, about this, and she agrees with my assessment calling it an urban legend because she has never seen it done, nor has she known anyone who has had it done to them.

EDIT: reply to @Sugriva to avoid doubleposting, I worked as a dishwasher at a Mexican restaurant once and quit after less than a week because it was so bad. It is grueling, nonstop work where your back and hands hurt after a day of work, not to mention all the chemicals you're exposed to which make your arms itch. To add insult to injury, I was the ONLY dishwasher working there and came into work one morning to find all three sinks full of dirty dishes from the person who took over after me the night before.

A relative in my country who I got into an argument over tipping with who knew about my work history told me with a straight face "It's [waitstaff work] harder than washing dishes" and also insisted that people in other countries are obligated to tip as well. It's hard not to completely flip your lid when being lectured from a place of complete ignorance.
 
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What also gets me is whether tipping started over slavery (or prohibition like what others claim), why has it not been phased out after 100+ years? How is this still a thing?
The waiters make a killing on tips if they're decent and uncle Sam never sees it in taxes and shadier restaurant owners want to pay the front of the house as little as possible.
 
Why can't fat Americans just pay people a proper wage instead of making them rely on tips?

Because they're cucked.

The first time I went to America and bought something. I took out the money listed on the price tag. It wasn't what the cashier asked for because the tax wasn't included. They're not allowed to live in an objective reality. They need to constantly be thrown by what they think is happening so they can support retardation by their elites.
 
Ill play devils advocate here and suggest theres nothing inherently wrong with tipping. Its basic etiquette thats expected of the kind of polite company who youd expect to sit at a restaurant. If thats the custom of the place where you live and if otherwise, theyll be paid some shit where its like 7.25/hr then who is anyone to say that they shouldnt be tipped for a job done properly. If they make 40/hr off an easy job then thats even better.
That said, a 25% tip is fucking ridiculous. Dont try to make your simp an example for the rest of us.
 
I used to tip 20% standard. I now tip 10% standard, though the amount I spend on tips hasn't changed. Blame Biden and the Fed for your reduced purchasing power, not me.

It now costs around $30 a person to eat out at mid-range restaurants in my medium cost of living area. I mostly order only a single entrée and non-alcoholic drink per person. That's an insane amount and around double what I remember paying a decade ago.

I also never tip at places where I don't receive service. If I'm doing all the work, you should be paying me, not asking me to pay you. I also don't tip at places where the entire price is service-related; if you want more money, just charge more up front, don't try and guilt me at the end.
 
Oh Lord yes. If it's a cash tip they are 100% not paying taxes on it.
I have known of motherfuckers who worked in restaurants having shoe boxes filled with cash from tips. You know damn well, that shit wasn't reported or taxed.

All the Asian nail salons around me all have signs begging for cash tips. Sorry, you get it on the card.
 
Why can't fat Americans just pay people a proper wage instead of making them rely on tips?
If we paid a proper wage, waiters, waitresses and bartenders would screech as that would be a massive pay cut for them. I would be all for it but what would happen is that the wages would rise but the expectation to tip would still be there.
 
Americans are insane about eating out and convenience food, and many people consider eating out multiple times a week, even up to and beyond once per day, a "need" and not a "want." Many people are poor exactly because they spend more than their rent per month on food via delivery or restaurants. I know it's a bit of a meme at this point, but I really do know many people who go to Starbucks every single morning before work and blow 20 dollars on breakfast by buying a large drink and sandwich, that's 400 a month. And on top of that they go out drinking on the weekends and go out to dinner on Fridays. These are often not "rich kid" people. They simply take out credit card loans or just spend every last dollar in their accounts, going through this whole endless cycle of feast and famine rather than save up even 1,000 dollars.

The average poor american is fat, owns a smartphone (even it was free from Safelink/Assurance through the ACP benefit), and has thousands in credit card debt, and gets fast food multiple times a week. "muh convenience" is a common one along with "it is too expensive to cook from scratch".


Once I went to a common chain restaurant, inside, and there was no hostess, just a big ass kiosk. Even though you could clearly see directly into the kitchen and see everyone, including people just standing around, they didn't even look at us.

Entered my order on the kiosk, and before ANY SERVICE, it asked for a tip.

They fucked up my order, not including 75% my food, and there was not a person in the restaurant I could see. I eventually resorted to standing half in the kitchen door and going "Uhhhh" to get someone's attention. A young guy looked at me and said, "Shit, what did I forget?" Instead of bringing it to my table, he just shouted "HEY I GOT IT NOW" from the kitchen and I had to go back to the kitchen door.
You had to clean up your own dishes of course, there was no wait staff. And you had to serve your own condiments: they just gave me those little mayo packets instead of being assed to put it on the damn sandwich.
This was not that long ago, not during the pandemic. It was incredibly dystopian. There also was no music. Just the noises from the kitchen. And we were the only people in the restaurant. This wasn't McDonalds: it's a chain known for being a family diner style restaurant. I think it was this way because most of their orders were coming from delivery services rather than in-person customers, because fuck human interaction.

I pinky promise I am not a karen and do not really care if they mess up my order/take a little long/etc, but I was just really disgruntled at such a horrible experience. Walked away like "My kids will never know what it was like to have fun going here, getting a paper hat, getting crayons and a placemat with games, being forced to talk to give your order to the waitress, getting a dollar to try on the claw machine."

And before ANY service, before even so much as a human being looking my way, they asked for a tip.
 
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If we paid a proper wage, waiters, waitresses and bartenders would screech as that would be a massive pay cut for them. I would be all for it but what would happen is that the wages would rise but the expectation to tip would still be there.
They totally expect $15 an hour and massive tips on top of that.

Yeah, fuck right off with that.
 
During the lockdowns there was a story of a tex-mex place near me acting offended that a guy that came in didn't want to go through all the charades with the masking and temperature reading. They even claimed racism with it.

So when stories like this come up of servers earning less, I feel like a lot of it just comes from them having a hard time being nice to customers as they got too used to keeping them all at a distance for a couple years. It probably was especially bad in places like New York that wanted to act more draconian with their lockdown measures plus having more liberals that were acting like Rona was a death sentence for everyone. All that stuff made them more anti-social than ever.
 
What also gets me is whether tipping started over slavery (or prohibition like what others claim), why has it not been phased out after 100+ years? How is this still a thing?

Tipping is a legacy from a class-based society where upper classes would tip working class people who served them because it preserved a culture of good behaviour; the tip was meaningless to the person giving it but meaningful to the person receiving it due to wildly different economic circumstances between the upper and lower classes. It's essentially a sweetener from the property-owning classes to the non. Mitigates resentment because you are rewarded for knowing your place and serving your betters, rather than taken for granted.

In a society where everybody is supposed to be equal and the interactions are between people who may well be on similar economic footing, where the person getting a cab probably values the fiver in their pocket just as much as the cab driver, tipping is a socially awkward and annoying custom. In the 1800s if you got a cab then you were posh. Now the Middle Class and working people get cabs but are sucked into the tipping customs of their predecessors.

Why this has persisted and become so formalised in the USA I do not know. Perhaps it is something to do with slavery but just as likely that's just one factor in preserving the US attitudes to it from olden days. If someone started a restaurant where tipping was explicitly forbidden, but staff got paid better, I would without question give preference to that restaurant barring significant other factors.
 
I didn't read the article or the thread, I just came to post my standard response to waiters bitching about their tips: try getting a job that requires more training or experience than none.
 
Here's an idea though, maybe restaurant owners should pay their full time staff livable wages so they don't have to rely on good will. Crazy, I know.
I'm not a cheap tipper. To be 100% honest, it's just easier to calculate 20% in my head. In restaurants where I've had table service.

So some faggot wrote another article starting with "we need to stop talking about." In the history of the universe has that ever worked?

In California where they still get the much more realistic minimum wage, it's still not a living wage. But again, my personal gripe isn't with traditional table service tipping. It's that EVERY fucking point of sale machine asks you for a tip. I suspect when they sign up for merchant>. services they ask what the industry is and if it's any kind of food/beverage/hotel it is automatically set up for that. I've been many places where the cashier says "tee hee, you can just skip that" because they're embarrassed the shit is asking you for 25% to hand you something.

I just hope that this raises the frustration to a level where either service is required to be included in prices or something.
 
Why this has persisted and become so formalised in the USA I do not know. Perhaps it is something to do with slavery but just as likely that's just one factor in preserving the US attitudes to it from olden days. If someone started a restaurant where tipping was explicitly forbidden, but staff got paid better, I would without question give preference to that restaurant barring significant other factors.
Exactly; it's a product of a bygone era, and there's really no major reason it should be the norm.
 
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