Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines: 2 - I want to believe, but...

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It's hard to say how it will go, while it's pretty woke the origional writter is present. The SJW stuff might just be a little awkward and cringey like in DA3 where you meet the only homophobe in the entire setting and the qunari are pro trans despite having strict gender norms. SJW stuff is usually a symptom of bad writting rather than the cause.

As always the smart thing to do is to wait until the games out before purchase.
 
SiccDicc said:
She made a big stink about a rape scene - even fictional in universe of the game - in a PC Gamer article and the games ratings board of Australia caught whiff then banned it.
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Her being one of the writers is the biggest red flag for me. How can we expect someone like this to write good content for a dark and gruesome setting like vtm?
 
Brahmin Baron said:
Her being one of the writers is the biggest red flag for me. How can we expect someone like this to write good content for a dark and gruesome setting like vtm?
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Need I remind people that
One of of the major characters in the start of the game was molested by her father and developed PTSD/DID because of it, driving her to eventually become a malkavian. The way you find out about this is through her having an argument with her other personality, none of this is directly stated. In current year that shit would have a traaagger waaarning slapped on it and the writers would make sure you knew that they didn't condone rape and that raping children is bad. If she couldn't even figure out the "subtlety" of what a dream rape sequence in hotline miami means then she sure as fuck can't write for a game in WOD.
 
YourMommasBackstory said:
I can't understand why devs are so serious about all the SJW agenda. Because, you know.
This is the world of darkness. Adding PC and stuff like that will kill the main idea of the setting.
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The SJW shit has been there since the start you mongoloid.

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Let me clarify. WW was very pro-gay back during the 1990's. Like, very pro gay. There's a source book where two of the in fiction characters are the most homosexual werewolves to ever homosex. An entire werewolf tribe is run by feminists. I'm pretty sure there's at least one OG mage who used his life magic to become the magical little girl he always wanted to be. There's a lot, and I do mean a lot of SJW shit. There's women vampires being in charge of shit back in the 1200's, several of the Antediluvians are female, there's a female exclusive bloodline of vampires, and don't even get me started on old Changeling. Old Changeling is absolute trash and even the 20th anniversary edition of it isn't good, just merely tolerable because they cut all the weird pedo shit out.

wrangled tard said:
Need I remind people that
One of of the major characters in the start of the game was molested by her father and developed PTSD/DID because of it, driving her to eventually become a malkavian. The way you find out about this is through her having an argument with her other personality, none of this is directly stated. In current year that shit would have a traaagger waaarning slapped on it and the writers would make sure you knew that they didn't condone rape and that raping children is bad. If she couldn't even figure out the "subtlety" of what a dream rape sequence in hotline miami means then she sure as fuck can't write for a game in WOD.
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Wrong. Her DID had nothing to do with her becoming a Malkavian.

Malkavians as a clan have a curse, like every other clan. The Malkavians curse is insanity, in some form or another. It could be all consuming OCD, believing you're a werewolf, thinking you're living in a TV show, anything like that. In her case, the DID which had been suppressed during her time in the asylum was reactivated upon her Embrace, and pushed even further.
 
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Emperor Julian said:
I've always wondered with Voerman Sisters which one is the prime personality and which is the product of mental illness? Personally I suspect neither as the origional mind was permantly shattered by the embrace.
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Theresa is supposed to be the base, but in reality neither truly is. The Embrace pretty much shattered her mind.
 
Emperor Julian said:
Yeah if you're a vampire you get chosen by another vampire, Werewolves are werewolves because you lucked out genitically-so their's a good change you'll get a total fuck up. It's the only way any most of these lolcows are getting in on the magic action because none of them are enough of a winner to be a mage.

Good news for the furfags I suppose.
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I don't know, a few of the turbo-autists seem like they have strong enough will to bend reality if such a thing were actually possible. Like I can see Nate Spidgewood as a Marauder who edits reality by editing Wikipedia, but only can change whatever petty bullshit he actually cares about. And can punch you in face over text, of course.
 
Techpriest said:
The SJW shit has been there since the start you mongoloid.

EDIT:
Let me clarify. WW was very pro-gay back during the 1990's. Like, very pro gay. There's a source book where two of the in fiction characters are the most homosexual werewolves to ever homosex. An entire werewolf tribe is run by feminists. I'm pretty sure there's at least one OG mage who used his life magic to become the magical little girl he always wanted to be. There's a lot, and I do mean a lot of SJW shit. There's women vampires being in charge of shit back in the 1200's, several of the Antediluvians are female, there's a female exclusive bloodline of vampires, and don't even get me started on old Changeling. Old Changeling is absolute trash and even the 20th anniversary edition of it isn't good, just merely tolerable because they cut all the weird pedo shit out.


Wrong. Her DID had nothing to do with her becoming a Malkavian.

Malkavians as a clan have a curse, like every other clan. The Malkavians curse is insanity, in some form or another. It could be all consuming OCD, believing you're a werewolf, thinking you're living in a TV show, anything like that. In her case, the DID which had been suppressed during her time in the asylum was reactivated upon her Embrace, and pushed even further.
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What was even wrong there? Humans are embraced for a reason.
 
Techpriest said:
EDIT:
Let me clarify. WW was very pro-gay back during the 1990's. Like, very pro gay. There's a source book where two of the in fiction characters are the most homosexual werewolves to ever homosex. An entire werewolf tribe is run by feminists. I'm pretty sure there's at least one OG mage who used his life magic to become the magical little girl he always wanted to be. There's a lot, and I do mean a lot of SJW shit. There's women vampires being in charge of shit back in the 1200's, several of the Antediluvians are female, there's a female exclusive bloodline of vampires, and don't even get me started on old Changeling. Old Changeling is absolute trash and even the 20th anniversary edition of it isn't good, just merely tolerable because they cut all the weird pedo shit out.
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the first two are okay
the third is strange but whatever
the rest is making me wince a bit

although tbh the gay werewolves don't fit so much with identity politics as so much as it sounds like a woman just wants to think of two men boning each other
 
wrangled tard said:
What was even wrong there? Humans are embraced for a reason.
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The wrong part was her being molested making her be a malk, not all insane vampires are malkavians, but all Malkavians are insane. There’s plenty of crazy Ventrue and Tzimince out there.

Now, she might have been embraced because she was bonkers but hot and her malk sire liked that. The embrace happens for a bazillion reasons. Sometimes it’s because the vampire doesn’t like you.
 
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ZehnBoat said:
although tbh the gay werewolves don't fit so much with identity politics as so much as it sounds like a woman just wants to think of two men boning each other
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There is a surprising amount of urban fantasy that follows this guideline. Straight or gay, it's the bestial aspect they appreciate the most.

I'm saying it's all very disturbing.
 
ZehnBoat said:
the first two are okay
the third is strange but whatever
the rest is making me wince a bit

although tbh the gay werewolves don't fit so much with identity politics as so much as it sounds like a woman just wants to think of two men boning each other
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Werewolves in World of Darkness are very specifically not supposed to have sex with each other. It’s super taboo for a number of reasons. It was also a wolf born werewolf and a human born werewolf who were boning, I forgot that.

The point I’m trying to make is that the liberal bent of the company has been a thing since the start.

Also the female vampire rulers makes a load of sense when you remember that vampires don’t give a shit about that sort of thing if they want to live long.
 
Techpriest said:
The wrong part was her being molested making her be a malk, not all insane vampires are malkavians, but all Malkavians are insane. There’s plenty of crazy Ventrue and Tzimince out there.

Now, she might have been embraced because she was bonkers but hot and her malk sire liked that. The embrace happens for a bazillion reasons. Sometimes it’s because the vampire doesn’t like you.
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I didn't say it caused her to become a malk I said it eventually led to it.
 
Since the game pretty much have the devs wanting to put in politics on what they believe is right and wrong, there are some who responded to that.

Quarterpounder reports in on it.

In contrast to those that REEEE over it, a YouTuber goes on why people are angry at the game and says why they shouldn't.

With all the political spergings of any and all sides, one simply just does not want the devs making the game become a soap box or doing the same dumb shit as one of the books did where stuff like the gay purges in Chechnya were because of vampires. As for stuff like pronouns, unless the game actually acknowledges it beyond a few minor instances of dialogue or fluff, it's just going to be worthless.

No Mutants Allowed, a Fallout fan site, has a thread on VTMB 2. Looking through it, one member partially sums up my feelings on this, especially since all I've seen so far is a CGI trailer that doesn't show any gameplay.
www.nma-fallout.com

Vampire the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2

Huge emphasis on character creation. You can choose your background, gender pronoun, employment history, body type and fashion That's all nice and...
www.nma-fallout.com www.nma-fallout.com
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Vampire the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2

Cain and Boyarsky are not on the team making Bloodlines. They'll be too busy with the public beta of The Outer Worlds on EGS for a year or so.
www.nma-fallout.com www.nma-fallout.com
 
c-no said:
Since the game pretty much have the devs wanting to put in politics on what they believe is right and wrong, there are some who responded to that.

Quarterpounder reports in on it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bm-_WM0Jy84
In contrast to those that REEEE over it, a YouTuber goes on why people are angry at the game and says why they shouldn't.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Ok-WIKoiWE
With all the political spergings of any and all sides, one simply just does not want the devs making the game become a soap box or doing the same dumb shit as one of the books did where stuff like the gay purges in Chechnya were because of vampires. As for stuff like pronouns, unless the game actually acknowledges it beyond a few minor instances of dialogue or fluff, it's just going to be worthless.

No Mutants Allowed, a Fallout fan site, has a thread on VTMB 2. Looking through it, one member partially sums up my feelings on this, especially since all I've seen so far is a CGI trailer that doesn't show any gameplay.
www.nma-fallout.com

Vampire the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2

Huge emphasis on character creation. You can choose your background, gender pronoun, employment history, body type and fashion That's all nice and...
www.nma-fallout.com www.nma-fallout.com
www.nma-fallout.com

Vampire the Masquerade - Bloodlines 2

Cain and Boyarsky are not on the team making Bloodlines. They'll be too busy with the public beta of The Outer Worlds on EGS for a year or so.
www.nma-fallout.com www.nma-fallout.com
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A lot of people have been focussing too much on the political side of the devs and not enough on the genuinely scummy practises that warrants concerns no matter what political alignment you have. The mere fact that they've started tiered pre-orders a year in advance for a game we don't have any gameplay for, is being developed by a no-name developer and published by paradox who are known for shoving overpriced dlcs into every one of their games should raise some eyebrows.
 
The setting fluff tends to work best when it acknowlages that you're playing characters whose perspectives are often detached from humanity to a degree. Mages are the most human but even they tend to have their moments. To come across as liberal or conservative is to mistake the superficial for the root. A reformist vampire afterall is looking to reform vampiric society, not human.
 
Honestly if you had to go political, a game about bloodsucking parasites analogizing capital owners would practically write itself.

How do you fuck that up and get LGBT rights out of it?
 
The best and greatest said:
Honestly if you had to go political, a game about bloodsucking parasites analogizing capital owners would practically write itself.

How do you fuck that up and get LGBT rights out of it?
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When you're an neo-liberal and you're incredably superficial. We may all be Serfs in a crumbling system but at least you can bum a man. Some of them may give lip service to socia change but more honestly they'd rather squabble online about pronouns.

In short SJW's.
 
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