Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines: 2 - I want to believe, but...

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I was just talking about this in chat, warms the heart to be honest, I can't believe they are still getting positive comments from people thanking them for the update and looking forward to a successful release.
Next up will be people white knighting for Outstar after she's forced to try and put a positive spin on it all.
 
I honestly feel sorry for outstar. Her introduction to the WoD games was bloodlines.

The mood on the discord is darkening, however.
 
Personally I think there's a chance this could be good news, Hardsuit obviously fucked up so a change in developer, even if it means a long delay, could be a good thing, especially if they bring the original writers back, which is the main thing I want to see happen.

It sucks that things went so wrong to me, but this is a clear case of a game getting fucked in the ass by Woke retards I think, how much longer are publishers going to allow these assholes to lose them money? Kick them to the curb already.

If I was in charge of a publisher/developer if you even walked into the interview room with dyed hair you'd be immediately shown the door, repeat after me, KICK THESE ASSHOLES OUT OF VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT, THEY DO NOTHING BUT LOSE YOU MONEY.
 
Dom Cruise said:
If I was in charge of a publisher/developer if you even walked into the interview room with dyed hair you'd be immediately shown the door, repeat after me, KICK THESE ASSHOLES OUT OF VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT, THEY DO NOTHING BUT LOSE YOU MONEY.
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Problem is, the HR departments are infested with sjwtards and those sympathetic to them, and secondly the higher-ups fear the pr shitstorm these sjwtards try to kick off everytime they are denied.
 
Rakdos92 said:
Problem is, the HR departments are infested with sjwtards and those sympathetic to them, and secondly the higher-ups fear the pr shitstorm these sjwtards try to kick off everytime they are denied.
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But how long are they going to continue letting them lose money? Until they just go out of business completely? Why is that preferable to just telling the retards to fuck off already and just ignoring their screeching? The only power they have is the power we give them, if people stopped giving a single shit about anything they do or say it would be over with in a flash.

While I'm sure other things went wrong in the both the case of Bloodlines 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, I still blame SJWs for being a big reason for those games' troubles, these people are nothing but a waste of money and a severe lack of talent that can't help any situation.
 
Gravityqueen4life said:
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TLDR you get what you fucking deserve.
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I knew this was going to be a shitshow when they announced it and started accepting pre-orders for a whole stack of special editions right out the gate.

The fact that they refer to the developer as having "laid the foundations" implies that they are probably binning it and starting again from scratch. Probably because they saw it and found that it was a total incoherent mess and with no way out. They'll probably keep some of the original art and assets made and then totally retool the plot from the ground up.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Personally I think there's a chance this could be good news, Hardsuit obviously fucked up so a change in developer, even if it means a long delay, could be a good thing, especially if they bring the original writers back, which is the main thing I want to see happen.

It sucks that things went so wrong to me, but this is a clear case of a game getting fucked in the ass by Woke retards I think, how much longer are publishers going to allow these assholes to lose them money? Kick them to the curb already.

If I was in charge of a publisher/developer if you even walked into the interview room with dyed hair you'd be immediately shown the door, repeat after me, KICK THESE ASSHOLES OUT OF VIDEO GAME DEVELOPMENT, THEY DO NOTHING BUT LOSE YOU MONEY.
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This game has no chance at this point. Even if the new devs are ten times better, they're still stuck with either fixing the mess they've been left, or redoing large portions of the game, both of which will suck up additional time and resources, and they're already short on both. And even if this game somehow comes out okay-ish, it will be a shadow of what it could have been if resources had been allocated properly. So many resources that should have gone into the final product have gone up in smoke because incompetents kept chasing their own tails.
 
Intelligent Calcium said:
This game has no chance at this point. Even if the new devs are ten times better, they're still stuck with either fixing the mess they've been left, or redoing large portions of the game, both of which will suck up additional time and resources, and they're already short on both. And even if this game somehow comes out okay-ish, it will be a shadow of what it could have been if resources had been allocated properly. So many resources that should have gone into the final product have gone up in smoke because incompetents kept chasing their own tails.
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It has a better chance with a new dev than it does with Hardsuit, even if it's just a slight chance.

I still have a sneaking suspicion SJWs is why the development got fucked up and this couldn't have been lost on the management, could this be a turning point where they start to move away from Woke in game development?
 
Dom Cruise said:
I still have a sneaking suspicion SJWs is why the development got fucked up
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I'm not sure why you have just a mere suspicion when its pretty fucking obvious that it was going to be an SJW-lead dumpster fire the minute they started doing more than talking. That fishmalk trailer, the dev comments about the political situation in Seattle... but things have to be really, really bad if the whole damn studio is getting canned. As in "we literally cannot even make the game" bad since PDX are just fine with anything short of that.
 
Snekposter said:
I'm not sure why you have just a mere suspicion when its pretty fucking obvious that it was going to be an SJW-lead dumpster fire the minute they started doing more than talking. That fishmalk trailer, the dev comments about the political situation in Seattle... but things have to be really, really bad if the whole damn studio is getting canned. As in "we literally cannot even make the game" bad since PDX are just fine with anything short of that.
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I mean yeah, it is obvious and like I said, how much longer are SJW dickheads going to be tolerated in game development, there has to be a point where too much money is lost and someone finally goes "ok, yeah, fuck off already"
 
As much fun as it is to blame it on SJW and woke bullshit getting the game canned, I think the much simpler assumption is that Hardsuit Labs was given a task that was simply above their pay grade and, not knowing what to do with it, they dropped the ball and Paradox noticed it. The woke bullshit is just icing on the cake.

Their Glassdoor reviews are pretty interesting, too.
The company likely won't survive long after they push out their larger products. They know this and try to compensate by having multiple projects on the side. Pay is low.

Most likeable co-workers leave the job after being burnt out by what lies below. Absurd amounts of turnover. It's more rare to have a weekly report without at least 1 person leaving than it is to have one with no one leaving. I must stress that i've never seen something like this.

The management are clueless, and cannot organize a team. Some managers are slack-jawed and only seem interested in their social media feed.

Constant bad advice and "no, do it this bad way" over-the-shoulder pestering.

Constant forced crunch time. Doing 9-11 hour days without counting in commute on a static monthly pay with no additional benefits is not fun, especially in this environment.

Zero chance to focus on your work with busybodies trying to micromanage every line of code

Zero chance to focus on your work with other busybodies trying to always go on about their perceived differences.

The self-identified "LGBT" people are often nagging at innocent jokes and interrupting co-worker work-related conversations because they feel like they need to inject themselves and their opinion to it. This leads to a divided workplace which the management is unwilling to handle.

Constant murmur by management on how they're so "open", "accepting" and "diverse".

Constant undertones in all speech by management about progressive ideas and ideals even when it comes to completely neutral subjects like programming and gameplay design.

All additions and suggestions are primarily weighted against the former factors instead of whether or not it would fit the series or be conducive to good gameplay.

Obviously false glowing 5-star reviews on Glassdoor.
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Management doesn't seem to listen. Frequently response with, "Well it used to be a lot worse."
Constant promises of things that will get better, but has not improved for ~2 years.
Forced Crunch, often, for many people.
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If you need a job then its an option, but look elsewhere if you are not trying to start your career.

Experienced people should be prepared to be paid 35-40% less then nearby studios for the same position.

Weird focus's on "process" and no ability to "execute" and deliver at a professional level.

Studio heads and management are from Zombie Studio. Reasonably nice people. However those staff members haven't shipped a game from "start to finish" in over 5 years. They are a bit out of touch and inept. Understanding of basic order of operations/development and dependencies!

The full disclosure reports will leave you wondering about your job stability.
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Lots of canned 5/5 reviews talking about how everything is great and that the only bad thing is that "their cool office isn't getting used due to COVID". This definitely has the whiff of a small company trying to make itself look larger, more competent and more stable than it actually is.
 
Corn Flakes said:
As much fun as it is to blame it on SJW and woke bullshit getting the game canned, I think the much simpler assumption is that Hardsuit Labs was given a task that was simply above their pay grade and, not knowing what to do with it, they dropped the ball and Paradox noticed it. The woke bullshit is just icing on the cake.

Their Glassdoor reviews are pretty interesting, too.






Lots of canned 5/5 reviews talking about how everything is great and that the only bad thing is that "their cool office isn't getting used due to COVID". This definitely has the whiff of a small company trying to make itself look larger, more competent and more stable than it actually is.
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It does sound like Wokeness is the main thing holding the game back to me, I mean who does "Some managers are slack-jawed and only seem interested in their social media feed." sound like to you?

It was certainly responsible for Brian Mitsoda being ousted, that's for sure.

You have to laugh at how an ill fit for this game SJWs are, do these fucking retards really not realize that in Vampire YOU ARE A BAD GUY?
 
Dom Cruise said:
It does sound like Wokeness is the main thing holding the game back to me, I mean who does "Some managers are slack-jawed and only seem interested in their social media feed." sound like to you?

It was certainly responsible for Brian Mitsoda being ousted, that's for sure.

You have to laugh at how an ill fit for this game SJWs are, do these fucking retards really not realize that in Vampire YOU ARE A BAD GUY?
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That was one review that talked about it. Everything else I saw on Glassdoor? 100% boilerplate, bog-standard game development studio drama straight out of the late 00's playbook. Crunch, out-of-touch management, micromanagement, poor planning, poor communication, over-emphasis on theory and terminology instead of actual production, etc, etc.

As I said, the woke bullshit is the icing on the cake, but even if they weren't plagued by it the game would still be shit because the company has serious issues with their corporate culture. We've seen the same shit happening for a decade now, whenever a game goes through development setbacks. The SJW pandering fucking things up may have accelerated Paradox's decision to axe the project, but it wasn't the main reason.
 
Dom Cruise said:
What's really fucking sad is how unlikely a direct sequel was to Bloodlines, I remember being completely shocked when it was announced.

It was the kind of project you simply do not fuck up and yet...
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Honestly, Bloodlines 2 is a poison pill right now. It's like Half-Life 3: no matter what comes out, it's never going to live up to the hype and the expectations of the people who borderline worship the original.

This is not a job for a small studio. It's something that needs to be teased, then developed under wraps until the core gameplay is rock-solid, announced, and then released just a few months later. That way at least they can attempt to dodge the hype train.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Personally I think there's a chance this could be good news,
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Development hell is never a good news. Even if Paradox finds some really good and skilled studio, they will receive a fraction of the resources that were originally planned, so failure is imminent. The only good thing that can come out of this is certainty possibility, that Harsuits were going to shit out something so terrible, that it's better without.
 
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