Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[L.V. Danslalune]

I call Kris a he and misgender trannies though

I've never actually seen anyone call Kris a she though. That one mod that let you change Kris' pronouns also gave you the chance to use she as well. Do most people here see Kris as a guy?

 

[Cryogonal2]

Do most people here see Kris as a guy?

Mostly. I see anons on /v/ say female less uncommonly.

 

[Bob Barbas]

I've never actually seen anyone call Kris a she though. That one mod that let you change Kris' pronouns also gave you the chance to use she as well. Do most people here see Kris as a guy?

Kris' appearance down to what we've gleamed so far as their personality based on what other characters say about them does not paint them as a female much. In fact most of their traits come off as masculine. In fact if you grew up when I did there's a non-zero chance there wasn't at least one weird quiet kid at your school that resembled Kris and was usually male 99% of the time. Hence why probably so many clock Kris as a male sometimes even subconsciously without actively acknowledging it which is also likely why you get so many people "accidentally" referring to Kris as a he before being """"corrected""" by the troon horde.

 

[Bitchy Babylonian Barber]

Do most people here see Kris as a guy?

Yeah, and to me Kris resembles a guy just because the way he struggles with Asriel seems like two brothers and less like a brother and a sister or a brother and a whatever living in the same household. Asriel's successful, he's the elder brother, he's the role-model everybody can't shut up about. Kris's side of the room is barren, sparse of achievement, while Asriel's is comically decorated in awards from school and from around town. But both of them also used to get along with the same vidya, probably the same goofy antics for a while, and probably got into the same trouble as one another, as brothers.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I mean how many girls do you know that are named Kris? The only possible feminine interpretation I can even come up with would be that it's short for something like Kristine, which there's zero evidence of. As far as we know Kris's name is literally "Kris Dreemur", and in that context Kris as a standalone name is just flat out a boys name. It's just an alternate spelling of Chris, which is definitively also a boy name.

Most people who aren't indoctrinated by the troon mindvirus just hear Kris's name and look at the sprite and instantly clock him as a dude, and that's before his personality just reinforces that idea.

Ffs even by "weird kid" standards Kris comes off like a guy. How many loner chicks bring weapons to school and eat moss? There's a reason a lot of the stereotypical "loner kid" behaviors Kris exhibits are nigh-universally associated with boys. I knew people that were a lot like Kris, and none of them were girls.

Even the absolute biggest koolaide drinkers on the Nonbinary shit still have to tacitly admit that Kris is, at best, a masc enby. Even if he is nonbinary, he's still essentially just a teenage boy who still looks, acts, and speaks like a teenage boy but just goes by they/them pronouns because he's a moody hormonal teenager that's who he feeeeeels like he is. It's like pooners who literally just say "I'm a boy now :3" and change literally nothing else about themselves. It's noncommittal at best.

The only genuine androgyny or femininity that I've seen come from Kris is fan content. In-game he's just blatantly a teenage boy.

 

[Two Dollars]

I mean how many girls do you know that are named Kris?

Well, there’s Pokemon gen 2’s female protagonist.

The only male Kris I know of is Kris Kringle and oh look what Kris is short for.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

This could've all been avoided if Toby wasn't a turbo autist and didn't write a character that is very clearly a boy but then slap a they/them label on anyway.

With characters like Frisk and Chara you can get away with that because they're genuinely androgynous in presentation, as both characters and in design. Back before the dark times, people who weren't mentally ill were able to grasp that they were referred to as "they" for the sake of the player and to save Tobias Foxington time on not having to write alt dialogue for every instance of referring to the main character, not because of gender bullshit. They were like 7 years old.

But that doesn't fly for Kris. Kris is very clearly masculine in basically every way and also a teenager, so then slapping a "they" label on him immediately invites the idea that "zomg enby representation!" even if that's not what your intention was at all.

Toby has this bizzare fucking thing where he refuses to gender human characters for some reason, so what we ended up with is literally every single human we're introduced to in both the story and the lore being referred to as "they". All of them.

Which leaves us with three funny possibilities if taken at face value;
A) Nonbinary people are insanely common in this universe for some bizarre reason
B) UT/DR Humans have no genders
C) Monsters are just racist and straight up can't tell the difference between male and female humans

All in all, should've just called Kris a he, Toby. Would've saved a lot of trouble.

 

[Bitchy Babylonian Barber]

C) Monsters are just racist and straight up can't tell the difference between male and female humans

In a better world with a better Toby, this would be one of the reasons Kris is such a weird shut-in kid, he's the token human in a town full of monsters. Kris being a weird shut-in autist who doesn't speak much because he's uncomfortable in a town that doesn't resemble him in the slightest and who treat him almost like a walking zoo exhibit would be an amazing plotline or at least a plot point for Kris to have. But sadly we can't have nice things.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Reminds me of some very self-aware and intelligent redditors a few months back brainstorming a way for Toby to introduce the idea that Kris is canonically nonbinary in-universe, which led them to the idea that there should be a scene where there are three bathrooms, with male, female and Kris face symbols on the doors.

In the mind of the redditor, this was a wholesome chunges representation moment where Kris basically gets his own validation tranny bathroom.

In the eyes of a normal person though, that just looks like it's a fucking racially segregated bathroom with a "humans" sign on the door. How progressive.

Does Kris get his own water fountain too?

 

[Retarded Weeb]

Reminds me of some very self-aware and intelligent redditors a few months back brainstorming a way for Toby to introduce the idea that Kris is canonically nonbinary in-universe, which led them to the idea that there should be a scene where there are three bathrooms, with male, female and Kris face symbols on the doors.

In the mind of the redditor, this was a wholesome chunges representation moment where Kris basically gets his own validation tranny bathroom.

In the eyes of a normal person though, that just looks like it's a fucking racially segregated bathroom with a "humans" sign on the door. How progressive.

Does Kris get his own water fountain too?

The virgin nigger complaining about having use separate facilities from the whites
vs.
The chad enby celebrating getting their own personal bathroom and water fountain on taxpayer dime

 

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

Reminds me of some very self-aware and intelligent redditors a few months back brainstorming a way for Toby to introduce the idea that Kris is canonically nonbinary in-universe, which led them to the idea that there should be a scene where there are three bathrooms, with male, female and Kris face symbols on the doors.

In the mind of the redditor, this was a wholesome chunges representation moment where Kris basically gets his own validation tranny bathroom.

In the eyes of a normal person though, that just looks like it's a fucking racially segregated bathroom with a "humans" sign on the door. How progressive.

Does Kris get his own water fountain too?

Gonna be honest if that did happen that’d be the most terribly written thing ever like I’m not opposed to nonbinary mc’s or some shit but half of time people be making it where them being so is like a character trait than ya know giving them an actual character

 

[Cryogonal2]

masc enby

I never understood this in particular. What, they aren't a male or female but they'll admit they're masculine or feminine?

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I never understood this in particular. What, they aren't a male or female but they'll admit they're masculine or feminine?

It all just depends on how lazy they are



Okay now for a palate cleanser to do away with all this unpleasant genderspecial shit

 

[Bitchy Babylonian Barber]

It all just depends on how lazy they are



Okay now for a palate cleanser to do away with all this unpleasant genderspecial shit
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it's a shame Toby will never acknowledge the superior Krusie and will likely keep half-assing the already done and tired lesbian shtick between Noelle and Susie.

 

[Bob Barbas]

it's a shame Toby will never acknowledge the superior Krusie and will likely keep half-assing the already done and tired lesbian shtick between Noelle and Susie.

I honestly just don't get it, it's literally just Alphys and Undyne but somehow worse. I said before the Alphys and Undyne romance could be excused since we're outsiders looking in and literally only met them like mere hours ago at best.

But with Noelle and Susie we know for a fact Noelle has never even spoken to her prior to the game events and more or less just stalked her and fantasized about her. Again, if they weren't lesbians if Noelle was a dude and Susie wasn't they'd be saying Noelle is a creep but because they're lesbians it's wholesome 100 big chungus lesbian representation.

Spoiler: Citation

Just in case for those who aren't aware I don't remember if it's directly stated in the game but the lore bits we got from the Spamton Sweepstakes stuff a few years ago more or less confirmed that Noelle has never directly spoken to Susie before the game's events. It's canon, that's not just me talking out of my asshole.

I hate myself for the words I just put on my screen.

 

[Big Shot]

The only way to lead Noelle to the correct path is MKUltra-ing her and there's no way to romance Susie with the current storyline. It never began

Straightness is haram in tumblristan I guess. I am still very bummed about Elnina & Lanino not getting a better storyline

 

[Bitchy Babylonian Barber]

Straightness is haram in tumblristan I guess. I am still very bummed about Elnina & Lanino not getting a better storyline

No see straightness is allowed, but only in polycules and everything that isn't monogamy. You can have straight ships, but they have to dip into tumblrstans other weird and 'quirky' traits.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The chad enby celebrating getting their own personal bathroom and water fountain on taxpayer dime

 

[Yamaha YM2612]

I call Kris a he and misgender trannies though

My niece is 11. She says Kris is a boy, frisk is a girl.

From the mouths of babes

 

[Deus Exica]

Toby only has himself to blame for THEY/THEM signalling and gathering genderspecials around him

Yeah I remember back in the day people would just freely interpret the character gender as whatever and it was fine. Toby should have made an official statement aeons ago but is obviously too scared.

Do most people here see Kris as a guy?

Most people in general see Kris as a boy they just also like to virtue signal. Nothing about Kris' design really reads feminine minus long hair maybe but even then teenage boys are infamous for that.